People calling for wilder to go…

[jono_t2000]

I watched Watford against Burnley until they had a player sent off and could easily tell their style of play.

One touch football, players always moving, balls played in front of them to run onto and facing the opposition goal.

Then flicking over to watching our game reminded me of that Simpsons meme.

 

[AWetFlannel]

One touch football, players always moving, balls played in front of them to run onto and facing the opposition goal.

It's that fluid and direct that they've scored... 0 more goals than us this season.

 

[djbaldken]

It would be entertaining for sure! How about knowsnowt and Fallowfield as joint managers? I would pay good money to see that

Reading some of the comments here it would appear some posters actually think knowsnowt and Fallowfield actually ARE joint managers.

At least knowsnowt does know how to hold a knife and fork.

 

[jono_t2000]

It's that fluid and direct that they've scored... 0 more goals than us this season.

Huh? I never said they had.. I was merely talking about identifying a style and having a plan.

Nice strawman argument tho

 

[knowsnowt]

I would propose he fucks right off, if that isn't too much to ask
Other dinosaurs did that like 65m years ago. It's well overdue.

 

[Blade56]

One win chiselled out win against a relegation outfit, 3 points from 12 against (with all due respect) the crappiest sides in the league and you’d think Wilder had gained auto promotion after the game. He’s still a feckin liability that might grind out a result or two to get promoted (we all know it’ll be Coventry) but he’s our ticket to failure at next level.

 

[Torrix1889]

Why, because expectations are different?

Exactly that

 

[Tezza1889]

When your attacking play stalls at the edge of the box deliberately, and eventually involves passing to the keeper, you know things need to change..

It's been a hard watch at times hasn't it, and while winning we've not had the cheek to complain, but we've been found out at the end, like most suspected we would be, Roy's view from is littered with comments of "how are these second" etc.

I'm expecting nothing now this season, because I dared to dream a little before the Oxford game that we might just pick a trophy up, serves me right doesn't it..

We'll leave this trophy nonsense to other teams eh..

Got the double over them though so wasn't all bad..

Edit : I'm saying season over Monday night, this style of football doesn't win play offs..

 

[AWetFlannel]

Huh? I never said they had.. I was merely talking about identifying a style and having a plan.

Nice strawman argument tho

Well it's clear then that whether or not you can identify a style or plan has little to no relevance on goalscoring output.

Their fans (and neutrals) have been at Parker all season for having a boring style of play and being unable to unleash their attacking talent to anywhere near its full potential, failing to score in 14 games this season (as opposed to our 9).

 

[Lane Ender]

When your attacking play stalls at the edge of the box deliberately, and eventually involves passing to the keeper, you know things need to change..

It's been a hard watch at times hasn't it, and while winning we've not had the cheek to complain, but we've been found out at the end, like most suspected we would be, Roy's view from is littered with comments of "how are these second" etc.

I'm expecting nothing now this season, because I dared to dream a little before the Oxford game that we might just pick a trophy up, serves me right doesn't it..

We'll leave this trophy nonsense to other teams eh..

Got the double over them though so wasn't all bad..

Edit : I'm saying season over Monday night, this style of football doesn't win play offs..

All went pear shape in one week but let’s be honest we was punching above our weight sorry Wilders got to go and bring in someone with a positive approach

 

[Yoonited]

You think if Forest finish outside the champions league spots the Forest fans will want Nuno gone? He'd have bottled it, end of.
Extreme example but shows how absurd your black and white thinking is.

Using an extreme example to highlight potential absurdity is absurd
I imagine Forest fans are delighted with Nuno's football.
Of course they might think differently if they'd suffered the shite we have and if they had played that way,arguably wouldn't be challenging for Europe.

 

[Kona]

He has become an embarrassment as a manager. From grumbling about a linesman eating a sandwich after a match last season, to two totally disrespectful and embarrassing performances and interviews after beating Sheffield Wednesday this season.

I don’t want to agree with this… but I do.

As said on other threads, I will always be grateful for the good times we’ve had with him at the helm, it’s been an amazing ride but I do feel it’s time for a new direction.

Whilst the results have been ‘good’, the performances certainly haven’t. We’ve been unconvincing for the majority of the season. I want a change, and not just because of the football, his behaviour and comments let him down, and to an extent us too.

I know some will see this as passion or love it because it shows he’s a Blade, but I lost a lot of respect for him after the sausage Rohl thing. Although I agree with some of the points he’s made in his rants (which is what they’ve become), the way he has gone about it has been cringeworthy at times.

I read a good post about him having the weight of half of the city on his shoulders and the impact that must have, which is probably true, but in my option the passion and fight in Wilder this time around is different to his first stint.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Using an extreme example to highlight potential absurdity is absurd
I imagine Forest fans are delighted with Nuno's football.
Of course they might think differently if they'd suffered the shite we have and if they had played that way,arguably wouldn't be challenging for Europe.

Forest have played hoof and counterattack all season. They're the perfect example of results trumping entertainment. He's playing to their strengths and doing very well. That's his job.

 

[utd4ever]

Forest have played hoof and counterattack all season. They're the perfect example of results trumping entertainment. He's playing to their strengths which is his job.

I honestly didn’t think you watched other football games Chris, especially against our next opponents.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I honestly didn’t think you watched other football games Chris, especially against our next opponents.

I watch them all Danny..you silly sausage. I can't believe you're still crying about getting doubled. Have a sausage Rohl and calm down. If you want me to explain the basics to you my rates are very reasonable. Maybe you'll finish above mid table then .

 

[Not so Slim ane]

When we were getting royally fucked every week in the premier league under Wilder, he was quick to point out the disparity in finances

The last 4 games have been very very even against teams with a fraction of our budget and we've lost 3 of those games. The equivalent of Liverpool losing to Southampton, Leicester, Ipswich etc to throw the title away

By Wilders own logic, if the transfers and coaching were being done correctly these teams shouldn't be able to compete against us

 

[Dkc]

I can accept not getting promotion if we’re playing entertaining stuff but we’re not, it’s been boring and uninspiring all season which is why the reaction to the 3 defeats has been how it is. Should we not be doing the double over them lot with considerable ease too considering the budget difference, we made very hard work of it

Being in the top 3 all season and doing the double over the pigs isn't enough? We should be beating them easier, and playing like Real Madrid in all our games?

No club in this division plays entertaining football every game. There are 23 clubs in the Championship. None of them has a right to challenge for promotion. All but a couple would gladly trade places with us. We aren't Liverpool or Man U. We're a club that's a similar size to Derby or Stoke. We could be in League One, along with Birmingham and Bolton.

As mentioned, I've watched the Blades for 45 years and am currently experiencing one of the best times to be a Blade. Dominance over our neighbours, higher crowds than them, a better stadium, challenging for promotion. It really doesn't get much better. I worry about our fanbase, as the older ones leave us and the "entitled, me now" generation become the majority.

Just enjoy the good times. Football can be boring at times, or can be fantastic. Same with all clubs. If a move comes off or we get a break and score a goal it can be fantastic. Sometimes it can be dull. Our football is no worse than any other team in this division, and no worse than we played under Warnock or Basset. If people don't like it there are plenty of other things to do instead. Go to the ice hockey instead, where it's non-stop action.

 

[ATL Recs]

Being in the top 3 all season and doing the double over the pigs isn't enough? We should be beating them easier, and playing like Real Madrid in all our games?

No club in this division plays entertaining football every game. There are 23 clubs in the Championship. None of them has a right to challenge for promotion. All but a couple would gladly trade places with us. We aren't Liverpool or Man U. We're a club that's a similar size to Derby or Stoke. We could be in League One, along with Birmingham and Bolton.

As mentioned, I've watched the Blades for 45 years and am currently experiencing one of the best times to be a Blade. Dominance over our neighbours, higher crowds than them, a better stadium, challenging for promotion. It really doesn't get much better. I worry about our fanbase, as the older ones leave us and the "entitled, me now" generation become the majority.

Just enjoy the good times. Football can be boring at times, or can be fantastic. Same with all clubs. If a move comes off or we get a break and score a goal it can be fantastic. Sometimes it can be dull. Our football is no worse than any other team in this division, and no worse than we played under Warnock or Basset. If people don't like it there are plenty of other things to do instead. Go to the ice hockey instead, where it's non-stop action.

No you can’t play expansive entertaining football all the time but I expect t it more than 4 times out of 45 games
We’ve no system when we play theres no patterns it’s slow it’s turgid
I’ve been watching for 60 years and it’s been worse much worse really poor
We wouldn’t be where we are now without Wilder that’s for sure he’s the one who put us in the path to this entitlement so I will forever be grateful that -
He put the platform in place
But
The players he has at his disposal should be playing to a system and just aren’t
He got these players because other than Leeds and Burnley we pay the most in wages
Would another none bladey manager have got these players in with the same resources I think so
But watching some of them they’ve gone backwards and seem to be being coached to play a boring brand of football

 

[coolasanidiot]

88 points in 43 games-yeah he's a totally shit manager. Still in with a shout of autos the thread is embarrasing,at the end of last season these same people were saying we would go straight to Leaugue 1. Sheff Utd is not for you I'm afraid.

 

[Dkc]

88 points in 43 games-yeah he's a totally shit manager. Still in with a shout of autos the thread is embarrasing,at the end of last season these same people were saying we would go straight to Leaugue 1. Sheff Utd is not for you I'm afraid.

I'd rather we had 20k actual supporters in the ground rather than 20k supporters and 7k moaners as we seem to have now.

Are people forgetting Adkins? Clough? Blackwell? Adams? Robson? Peters? Weir?

I honestly don't think that the football is any worse than any time I have been watching the Blades. And it is far better than many teams we've had in the past.

 

[Maidenhead]

The reality is the points total to date is now irrelevant. We have a mini league to achieve promotion that is likely to include play off games. As for this being an unusual year its not. Last year 3 teams were competing with points totals into the nineties and the pigs a few seasons ago finished on third with 96 points.

Formation and style of play have to be reviewed. The biggest criticism levelled at the manager is he is system obsessed, has no plan B and plays his favourites irrespective of how poorly they perform Robinson being the prime example. At a time when cool heads are needed CW does not help himself with his ill timed PR comments and his actions post match at Plymouth. Its sets the narrative we have crumbled, his word, under pressure and that feeds down to the players and supporters alike.

A reset is needed starting with the pre match press conference where there needs to be an acknowledgement that mistakes have been made and a rallying call for Cardiff. We don't need to hear again we've got 85 points. It would be preferable if it was a short presser as CW's ramblings in the last few give the impression this is a man feeling the pressure. He should listen to his media team for once. It would help his cause if he explained there should be no panic as he's been in this situation before with Oxford where the wheels came off and he recovered to win his one and only play off final.

We still have a very good chance of going up but those who have lost faith and that is a considerable number need to see a sea change in attitude on and off the field to restore confidence.

He has become an embarrassment as a manager. From grumbling about a linesman eating a sandwich after a match last season, to two totally disrespectful and embarrassing performances and interviews after beating Sheffield Wednesday this season.

These two posts pretty much mirror our pre match discussions about Wilder yesterday, when we had a pretty much common consensus that

1) No one was desperate to see Wilder pushed out of the door
2) The football this season has been turgid, which we can live with when we're winning consistently but it becomes a real issue when we're not.
3) Our disciplinary record for "failing to control our players" is horrendous, and that comes from the top. The team is built in the image of Wilder and it's neither professional nor pleasant. We have already had fines running into hundreds of thousands of pounds and there's another one on the way following the Plymouth debacle. If we were the owners we wouldn't stand for that. It's a lot of wasted money and reflects badly on the club.
4) As a result of the above points, whilst no one was agitating for instant dismissal, no one would be sorry to see him go either.

The general consensus was he has had his day and if the club is going to compete at a higher level then it needs a "culture" reset of a type that Chris is not capable of delivering.

So if we we're the owners he'd be gone at the end of the season which ever division we're in, but he'd be gone with our grateful thanks for his past efforts and would always be welcome back at the Lane. The club is bigger than him and it has to progress or it will go backwards. There's no room for standing still in business as that leads to inevitable decline.

 

[coolasanidiot]

These two posts pretty much mirror our pre match discussions about Wilder yesterday, when we had a pretty much common consensus that

1) No one was desperate to see Wilder pushed out of the door
2) The football this season has been turgid, which we can live with when we're winning consistently but it becomes a real issue when we're not.
3) Our disciplinary record for "failing to control our players" is horrendous, and that comes from the top. The team is built in the image of Wilder and it's neither professional nor pleasant. We have already had fines running into hundreds of thousands of pounds and there's another one on the way following the Plymouth debacle. If we we're the owners we wouldn't stand for that. It's a lot of wasted money and reflects badly on the club.
4) As a result of the above points, whilst no one was agitating for instant dismissal, no one would be sorry to see him go either.

The general consensus was he has had his day and if the club is going to compete at a higher level then it needs a "culture" reset of a type that Chris is not capable of delivering.

So if we we're the owners he'd be gone at the end of the season which ever division we're in, but he'd be gone with our grateful thanks for his past efforts and would always be welcome back at the Lane. The club is bigger than him and it has to progress or it will go backwards. There's no room for standing still in business as that leads to inevitable decline.

Luckily you are not the owners - Thank The Lord..

 

[Bell4]

One win chiselled out win against a relegation outfit, 3 points from 12 against (with all due respect) the crappiest sides in the league and you’d think Wilder had gained auto promotion after the game. He’s still a feckin liability that might grind out a result or two to get promoted (we all know it’ll be Coventry) but he’s our ticket to failure at next level.

That’s cheered me up father

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

He’s silenced the doubters today.

He really didn’t. He probably added to their frustrations, in the first half we didn’t create anything other than the goal.

It was a game that if Cardiff had more belief or talent they’d have got something from.

I’d say the win papered over the cracks more than anything

 

[Nick Jansky]

Luckily you are not the owners - Thank The Lord..

I bet it’s not far off what the current owners are currently thinking, though.

 

[Grey Blade]

I'd rather we had 20k actual supporters in the ground rather than 20k supporters and 7k moaners as we seem to have now.

Are people forgetting Adkins? Clough? Blackwell? Adams? Robson? Peters? Weir?

I honestly don't think that the football is any worse than any time I have been watching the Blades. And it is far better than many teams we've had in the past.

I understand why people are frustrated but the constant moaning and criticism - sometimes justified sometimes just a knee jerk reaction - all gets a bit tedious.

A fellow near me moans from beginning to end. Every pass back to Cooper, every square pass, every missed first time cross opportunity - the list is endless. I know it can be tedious to watch but not every back pass, square pass, not crossing the ball is wrong - the constant bleating about it wears a bit thin after a time. I don't know why this individual bothers to attend.

The problem is we all remember the good times but forget the dross in between ( unless it was very bad that is). I can't remember when it was but a few years ago I commented that they should put beds in the South Stand because it was so boring - felt a bit like that last night

 

[Nick Jansky]

Being in the top 3 all season and doing the double over the pigs isn't enough?

As mentioned, I've watched the Blades for 45 years and am currently experiencing one of the best times to be a Blade. Dominance over our neighbours, higher crowds than them, a better stadium, challenging for promotion. It really doesn't get much better. I worry about our fanbase, as the older ones leave us and the "entitled, me now" generation become the majority.

This sums up the biggest problem with our club. The measure of success is being better than the Pigs. How sadly parochial.

I’ve been watching the Blades quite a lot longer than you. That doesn’t make me a bigger Blade than you or the “entitled, me now” generation. Maybe that generation are just a bit more aspirational than you and want to see a progressive club & management fit for purpose in the modern game.

 

[bertieblade]

The main problem that me and my friends have is the fact that Wilder is too arrogant to accept any responsibility.
We play the same style and tactics whether we win or lose, the only difference is that a piece of individual brilliance has created a goal. Never changes our tactics, does things quicker etc and insists on picking the wrong players in the wrong position.

 

[Harry's Game]

It was a performance like most others this season .. a bit slow … a bit ponderous…. not putting the game to bed until late on.. some moments of good individual skill from players like Hamer and Peck…

Anyone expecting us to suddenly play front foot high tempo attacking football in the penultimate home game of the season when we haven’t in almost all the others need to get their heads checked.

Personally having seen us beat the worst side I’ve seen at the Lane this season 2-0 I feel no different about the final outcome of the season than I did before kick off .. that being I just don’t see that this group of players or coaching staff will be able to successfully navigate three games against two of the better sides in the division and win the play offs.

 

[Dkc]

This sums up the biggest problem with our club. The measure of success is being better than the Pigs. How sadly parochial.

I’ve been watching the Blades quite a lot longer than you. That doesn’t make me a bigger Blade than you or the “entitled, me now” generation. Maybe that generation are just a bit more aspirational than you and want to see a progressive club & management fit for purpose in the modern game.

I never claimed that our success should be measured by whether we are beating them. I mentioned it as one of the many positives this season.

The game has changed, at least at the very top. Mistakes, giving away possession, can be punushed ruthlessly by the opposition, as Cardiff found out yesterday. This means that teams must be more careful than ever about conceding possession. Wilder and his staff know this, and as a result we are playing more cautiously than the days of the overlapping centre backs. This doesn't mean we're playing badly. We're seeing great pieces of individual skill, sliderule passes, press, taking men on in the box, shooting when we get a chance...the football really isn't awful though it is more possession-based.