Ownership update !

[Worksop II]

I’m going to run on the pitch, nick the corner flag and then throw coins at them.

Let’s teach them a lesson.

Nah .. they would take you down with the Water Sprinklers

 

[TJB.]

One thing I don't get...

Princey is supposed to be a businessman, yet he doesn't want the Academy? Surely that has been one of the most profitable aspects of our club in recent years and its ongoing success serves both the first team and the clubs' coffers?

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I've only skimmed through the thread.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Simply put.....When you either can't, or won't invest more funds into the club to progress. It is time to sell. But selling to the right person who has Blades best interests is obviously important to Kev, (and all of us fans), this may take some time. Until then, just staying in the championship and keeping Wilder are vital. My fear is Wilder leaving as the clubs going nowhere until funds are given or the club sold.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

If HRH doesn't buy the ground and rents it, will people be moaning that we've not got a ground and blaming the Prince?

He's said the KW and HM money have helped cut the losses this year, but he doesn't want the academy?

Does that mean we are getting that No 9?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Yes and its in very short supply (pardon the pun). Look at our nearest and dearest up the road, 52k every week, massive stadium and all the ingredients for top flight success, you would think, bar good stewardship. Ashley is a law unto himself and whilst he has got the black and whites onto a sound financial footing the club is not run well and success has not followed them either.

However the likes of Bournemouth, Leicester (via administration) and Burnley are all prospering ie none about to go tits up.

Burnley has never got above their station. They have gone up and down a couple of times but never prostituted their club for an instant PL fix. Their fans stuck by them, they have a no nonsense unfashionable British manager and they are surely a model club for the likes of SAFC to follow - IMHO.

Leicester should NEVER be a model to follow.

 

[The Crab]

One thing I don't get...

Princey is supposed to be a businessman, yet he doesn't want the Academy? Surely that has been one of the most profitable aspects of our club in recent years and its ongoing success serves both the first team and the clubs' coffers?

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. I've only skimmed through the thread.

Pure utter guess here, but maybe he doesn't want the Academy because the asking price could be a bit rich for him?

 

[I should coco]

Leicester should NEVER be a model to follow.

Agreed. Sadly 'plucky little old Leicester giving the top 4 a bloody nose', obscures the cheating admin wankers who diddled us out of an automatic promotion place in 2003.

And they play in blue.

And Vardy is a pig.

And they use clappers.

And they have a new plastic ground.

 

[B14Nco]

One of my issues with the Wilder situation is (regardless of the fact wherever we finish will have been quite an achievement, considering) if we don’t make the play-offs from ‘the outside’ it will be the first ‘failure’ he will have had in the last 4/5 years.

His stock will probably drop a little, which he’ll be very aware of and I think it’s blatantly obvious he will blame the lack of investment for this.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Nah .. they would take you down with the Water Sprinklers

One of my issues with the Wilder situation is (regardless of the fact wherever we finish will have been quite an achievement, considering) if we don’t make the play-offs from ‘the outside’ it will be the first ‘failure’ he will have had in the last 4/5 years.

His stock will probably drop a little, which he’ll be very aware of and I think it’s blatantly obvious he will blame the lack of investment for this.

Anyone believing taking us up, being given a small, very small budget for this league and finishing top half after doing very well before November and still hovering around the play offsnow, is a failure for him wants their bumps feeling.

 

[I should coco]

play offsnow,

Is that different to ordinary snow?

Typing with big furry mittens today, Sean Thornton?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Is that different to ordinary snow?

Typing with big furry mittens today, Sean Thornton?

Mumsnet down Si?

 

[I should coco]

Mumsnet down Si?

I've been banned again.

I keep telling them that childbirth can't be all that hard, or they wouldn't let women do it.

Do your mittens have a string that runs up your arms and behind your shoulders, so that you don't lose them?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I've been banned again.

I keep telling them that childbirth can't be all that hard, or they wouldn't let women do it.

Do your mittens have a string that runs up your arms and behind your shoulders, so that you don't lose them?

You know I do. I have all your hand me downs apart from the Lada's Dad buys you.

I've got you a new sponge for when you wash my M3. No building snowmen either.

 

[TJB.]

Pure utter guess here, but maybe he doesn't want the Academy because the asking price could be a bit rich for him?

That's quite probably the case but if he's serious about taking the club forward then having a decent academy is, for a club such as ours, a pretty vital part of moving forward.

It's all rather baffling, this.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Leicester should NEVER be a model to follow.

True.

Agreed. Sadly 'plucky little old Leicester giving the top 4 a bloody nose', obscures the cheating admin wankers who diddled us out of an automatic promotion place in 2003.

And they play in blue.

And Vardy is a pig.

And they use clappers.

And they have a new plastic ground.

All VERY true !

MBH perspective is filtered thro a prism of despair at the deep twattery that has sunk his club, though, so I think we can forgiven him his Leicester envy ? In the darkest moments of our Lg 1 (cough) “adventure”, I’ll admit to citing Swansea, Stoke, Bournemouth and (yes) Leicester as examples of how smaller clubs than us could consolidate and thrive in the Cesspit Lg, given the right direction and drive.

Uurrghh. No showers at work.

Edit: “confess to”, rather than “admit to”. Certainly in the case of Leics.

 

[UnitedBlade]

That's quite probably the case but if he's serious about taking the club forward then having a decent academy is, for a club such as ours, a pretty vital part of moving forward.

It's all rather baffling, this.

The Prince doesn't want the Academy and McCabe doesn't want foreign players.

There's no hope for us. Can someone bang their heads together?

 

[Come from away]

Afer all the speculation I would think that the recent Biggs tweet, which references a 'view from John Street', is actually closet to the reality of what is happening.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Afer all the speculation I would think that the recent Biggs tweet, which references a 'view from John Street', is actually closet to the reality of what is happening.

"KEVIN McCABE'S revelation that his battle to stop Saudi partner Prince Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud taking full control at Bramall Lane is now the hands of lawyers suggests major upheaval at Bramall Lane. "

Has McCabe actually said he's battling to stop the Prince taking full control? I may be wrong but I can't recall anyone at the meeting saying that's what he said. Or is Osbornes latest dig at McCabe just more fantasy?

 

[derfblade.3]

They need to get a move on and get it sorted. F’kin useless - both of them.

Like this?

 

[B14Nco]

Anyone believing taking us up, being given a small, very small budget for this league and finishing top half after doing very well before November and still hovering around the play offsnow, is a failure for him wants their bumps feeling.

Finishing outside the playoffs will lower his stock... thats just how it is... and he’ll be very aware of it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Finishing outside the playoffs will lower his stock... thats just how it is... and he’ll be very aware of it.

Depends if expectations were over the top. Not many expected a good challenge and only got giddy after the derby. The squads limitations should be obvious to all, fans and pundits. Look at the spend of those above us.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Finishing outside the playoffs will lower his stock... thats just how it is... and he’ll be very aware of it.

No it won't. Failure is relative, and you could hardly call this season a failure. I know some supporters have the appearance of disappointment about them, but perhaps taking stock and considering the squad we have, the levels of funding available to us, and how possibly McCabe imagined that the Prince would cough up far more significant sums if promotion were achieved, well all things considered we've done well. Of course I'd have loved us to be in with a shout of promotion - and who knows, it might still happen - but given where we were a year ago, well, to be in the upper levels of the Championship isn't exactly failure, is it?

 

[B14Nco]

Depends if expectations were over the top. Not many expected a good challenge and only got giddy after the derby. The squads limitations should be obvious to all, fans and pundits. Look at the spend of those above us.

There is a difference between the view of a fan in relation to the job he’s doing and Wilders actuall stock tho? I think most rational supporters can see he’s done an amazing job. Thing is his standing on the managerial ladder is more...

- Managing team top of championship little budget - Amazing job stock all time high.
- Managing team that ended up 7th with little budget - Good/ Average job.

 

[bertieblade]

Finishing in the top ten with the 18th highest budget in the league whilst playing attractive football and getting the fan base on side after numerous years of awful Football has got the support of 99.9% of our fan base.
I know that, the vast majority know that, Wit knows that. Let’s just hope that the eventual owner of our football club knows that.
If we lose Wilder we yet again manage to confirm our inability to make the correct decisions.

 

[B14Nco]

No it won't. Failure is relative, and you could hardly call this season a failure. I know some supporters have the appearance of disappointment about them, but perhaps taking stock and considering the squad we have, the levels of funding available to us, and how possibly McCabe imagined that the Prince would cough up far more significant sums if promotion were achieved, well all things considered we've done well. Of course I'd have loved us to be in with a shout of promotion - and who knows, it might still happen - but given where we were a year ago, well, to be in the upper levels of the Championship isn't exactly failure, is it?

I at no point have said I think the job he’s done is a failure but I do however believe it will be seen as a bit of a failure to people outside the club.

There isn’t an argument to be had, It’s just a fact that Managing team top of championship with little budget - is an Amazing job and his stock was at an all time high.

Finishing 7th regardless of budget does not attract the same kudos.

 

[B14Nco]

Finishing in the top ten with the 18th highest budget in the league whilst playing attractive football and getting the fan base on side after numerous years of awful Football has got the support of 99.9% of our fan base.
I know that, the vast majority know that, Wit knows that. Let’s just hope that the eventual owner of our football club knows that.
If we lose Wilder we yet again manage to confirm our inability to make the correct decisions.

Don’t diagree with any of this.

 

[Bladezz]

If I were leeds chairman I would be very interested in this.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I at no point have said I think the job he’s done is a failure but I do however believe it will be seen as a bit of a failure to people outside the club.

There isn’t an argument to be had, It’s just a fact that Managing team top of championship with little budget - is an Amazing job and his stock was at an all time high.

Finishing 7th regardless of budget does not attract the same kudos.

Sorry mate, I have to disagree. Taking a team that came up from League 1 and is made up of lower league players and having little or no budget to compete at Championship level, is an achievement in itself. If we'd finished 4th bottom that would still be the case. Wilder's stock is high, based not just on this season but all previous as well, including Oxford and Northampton. What Wilder has shown is that he consistently gets results and gets those results in adverse circumstances with little money.

If there's any lack of kudos, it's his lack of "foreign" experience -that's all.

 

[Esablade]

The problem I'm having with McCabe's line here:

“I brought Prince Abdullah in for one key reason. Wealth, to invest in football, to invest in a big club in getting back to the Premiership then who knows what,” said McCabe

...is who in their right mind would put significantly more cash into a business than the other partner who also own's 50%.

 

[The Crab]

That's quite probably the case but if he's serious about taking the club forward then having a decent academy is, for a club such as ours, a pretty vital part of moving forward.

It's all rather baffling, this.

I agree totally. But putting my money mans hat on as a layman for a minute this is how I'd see that panning out.............

Ok, so you'd have to look at a rough projection of the profit the Academy would produce over a set amount of time, then balance that against the price you have been quoted for the Academy as part of the deal. Then you would have to decide if it's worth paying. My guess is that the Prince has decided it's not worth paying, maybe he's more about the short term bottom line that what the Academy might or might not produce in 3 or 4 years time?

I dunno mate, just taking a complete punt.