Oliver Burke

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Reading Ralf Blade's post, see Burke grew up in Melton Mowbray, now you know where Moose gets his pies.
 



N20 Blade said:
I had an argument with my son about Burke last night. To me, I agree, he needs coaching, there's something there. My son pointed out that WBA, Leipzig and Celtic all tried and failed, why will we be different?

He's probably worth a crack in the championship but he needs to engage his brain, too much Duracell bunny, not enough thinking in his play.

For me, the reason I liked Wilder's comments, was that for the first time in months, he reminded me of the old Wilder from last season, who would call issues out and be straight talking not Mr Cliche. On reflection, perhaps he should have been more diplomatic but just good to hear him talk like he used to.
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www.nottinghampost.com

'He’d tell me the best steaks to get and to eat as many as I could'

Freedman gave the RB Leipzig winger his chance at Forest
www.nottinghampost.com www.nottinghampost.com

'Oliver Burke thankful to former Nottingham Forest boss and 'father figure' Dougie Freedman'

Interesting read that ^^
 
He let himself down big style last night, and I've been a strong advocate of his since he arrived. The least you could have expected was some energy to close down the ball and then taking up positions for out balls to then use his pace. But everything was done at an amble, and when he did get a chance he let himself down technically and tactically. Basic errors of controlling the ball and poor passes, the return pass from a throw on the right a particular low point which missed Baldock by a good 5 yards.

There have been a number of times now where he has had the opportunity for one on ones so he can knock the ball straight on and no one is catching him, and yet each time he cuts the ball inside and loses it. Maddening!

The decision to take him off was totally justified as he utterly failed in his objective for being on the pitch in the first place. I wouldn't expect him to get a starting place anytime soon after that.
 
FMBlade1 said:
www.nottinghampost.com

'He’d tell me the best steaks to get and to eat as many as I could'

Freedman gave the RB Leipzig winger his chance at Forest
www.nottinghampost.com www.nottinghampost.com

'Oliver Burke thankful to former Nottingham Forest boss and 'father figure' Dougie Freedman'

Interesting read that ^^
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Wish my wife would tell me to eat as many of the best steaks I could...

Seriously, thanks for that, forgot about Forest tbh, I wonder if Sharp has spent much time with him? I don't know what Sharp's role could be but as others have said, surely we should tap into his footballing/striking brain? He'll have forgotten more than Burke and Brewster know and I'm not having a dig at them. In sport a mentor can be so important, are we really utilising the likes of Jags and Billy fully I wonder.
 
N20 Blade said:
Wish my wife would tell me to eat as many of the best steaks I could...

Seriously, thanks for that, forgot about Forest tbh, I wonder if Sharp has spent much time with him? I don't know what Sharp's role could be but as others have said, surely we should tap into his footballing/striking brain? He'll have forgotten more than Burke and Brewster know and I'm not having a dig at them. In sport a mentor can be so important, are we really utilising the likes of Jags and Billy fully I wonder.
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Interestingly had this discussion before here:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/we-need-a-new-coach.84006/

'DCL has attributed his development this season to the influence of Duncan Ferguson. We don't seem to have anyone like that at our club. In the past we had Chris Morgan as a coach who spent a fair bit of time mentoring Harry Maguire.

(Yes we have Sharp and Jagielka who I imagine could try to take on coaching responsibilities in the future though we need people now)

Wilder says that he cannot play the game for them and he is correct. However imagine if Burke asked him how to become a better striker what would he say and what could we offer?

I bet Duncan Ferguson would work wonders with Burke.'
 
Watching last night I thought that it was fairly obvious that something physically or mentally wasn't right with Burke.
I don't think he's the sort of player that would deliberately operate at 60-70% which he obviously was doing before he was hooked.
With a threadbare squad and the games coming thick and fast I'd imagine there's loads of things behind the scenes that we are unaware of.
I think he's a good option from the bench.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Interestingly had this discussion before here:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/we-need-a-new-coach.84006/

'DCL has attributed his development this season to the influence of Duncan Ferguson. We don't seem to have anyone like that at our club. In the past we had Chris Morgan as a coach who spent a fair bit of time mentoring Harry Maguire.

(Yes we have Sharp and Jagielka who I imagine could try to take on coaching responsibilities in the future though we need people now)

Wilder says that he cannot play the game for them and he is correct. However imagine if Burke asked him how to become a better striker what would he say and what could we offer?

I bet Duncan Ferguson would work wonders with Burke.'
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I recently read Ancelotti's book 'Quiet Leadership' and one of the most striking elements was his passionate approach to include others in his coaching team. This was before his Everton days, and originally I presumed that DF wouldn't be one of his backroom staff but having read his words I know how wrong I was. In addition to helping DCL and others, DF is Everton in his blood and Ancelotti is big on club culture too, especially in a foreign country. Delegation isn't a dirt word.
 
N20 Blade said:
I had an argument with my son about Burke last night. To me, I agree, he needs coaching, there's something there. My son pointed out that WBA, Leipzig and Celtic all tried and failed, why will we be different?

He's probably worth a crack in the championship but he needs to engage his brain, too much Duracell bunny, not enough thinking in his play.

For me, the reason I liked Wilder's comments, was that for the first time in months, he reminded me of the old Wilder from last season, who would call issues out and be straight talking not Mr Cliche. On reflection, perhaps he should have been more diplomatic but just good to hear him talk like he used to.
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Whenever we have a pacey forward there's going to be weaker parts of his game. If not he'll be gone after one season.

There are very few footballers in the world who can run really really fast and maintain good close technique. I think it's partly the way they've learned to play, i.e. relying on their pace being enough to take them past opponents. So the skill level may not be fabulous. The other part is that it is simply difficult to keep a good touch when the speed is so high.

Burke had a poor game last night, he'll be disappointed with himself. I think his first couple of touches were poor, the attempted return back to Baldock after the throw was one, and it may have affected his confidence. He's done better in other games, technically and made better use of his main attribute.

We don't have to make the decision that he is a poor player now though. Kean Bryan is the latest example of a player holding his own at the top level after being ridiculed by his own fans. It is fine to say that Burke had a poor game last night, that he's not showing as much as we'd hoped. Maybe it won't work out, but how about delaying the verdict for a while longer?

Maybe we'll say after three years here that he was up and down in his first season, played a part in the promotion the following year and surprised a few with some decent games in our Premier League return. Maybe he'll be off to Millwall in the summer, we'll have to see.
 
Jeeeez - I hope he doesn't read this forum, some of you lot would have him strung up!
Yes, he was poor last night, but in all his other games for us he's offered us something. He's the only player we've got who makes the opposition defence shit themselves. His pace makes them sit deeper and it creates space for others. If he had an end product all the time he'd be playing for Man Utd not Sheff Utd. Give the lad a break, he's a relative youngster who's still learning. I happen to think he offers a lot more (in an attacking sense) than McBurnie does right now!
 
All we need now is Burke to get some composure in front of goal to feed off his own speed and Moose to give a damn and we would have a lightning striker partnership.
 
thing with burke is that hes not a striker hes a winger/rwb and its starting to show unless we play 442 or 3 up top he doesnt look comfortable in our set up
 
His shooting is so bad, but I’m intrigued to know what his crossing was like as a winger 😂
 



I really can't see how he'll be useful in the Championship. Sure, closing down will cause errors but teams are going to sit deep against us and he is only useful if defences play a high line.

As has been noted, his control is crap and it's very hard to run at pace with control. He needs to knock and go really. He should be playing on a wing, maybe, but the sheer lack of technical ability worries me.
 
I read a while ago that footballers are increasingly athletes who kick a ball now and then. Often, scouts are picking up the kid who does the best sprinting, not the one who can dribble the ball round 11 opponents. I think you see that across the Premier League, and Burke is the apotheosis of this trend.
 
Burke was the right sub to bring on the way the game was, and his pace alone created 2/3 half chances and gave us an outlet.

Yes his composure was poor to finish them. But the precious few moments this season I’ve felt we’ve had a genuine threat have been because of him.

This is why we have no quality or pace in the side, because we (and possibly our manager) give up on anyone with flair because of course they’re give it away more than others.
 
ancientblade said:
thing with burke is that hes not a striker hes a winger/rwb and its starting to show unless we play 442 or 3 up top he doesnt look comfortable in our set up
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Looking at his energy output last night he would be wingback for no more than 5 minutes .
 
Burke is like a few of our players. He has one attribute that could elevate him to a much higher level, but because he only has that one he plays for us. He’s not much cop with his feet and makes poor decisions, but he works hard, is fast as fuck and will be a useful option off the bench.

Burke - pace
Norwood - passing
McGoldrick - vision
Fleck - aggression
Basham - professionalism
Sharp - finishing

Would be some player combined that’s for sure. But he wouldn’t be playing for us.
 
My take was the last 10 minutes all Villa where doing is lumping it in the box and we definitely where short of height back there. So thought it was a good move to bring on McBurnie for the last 5 mins, wasted bit of time on subbing and just lumping it out of defence in no particular direction didn't give Burke too much chance of doing what was hoped of him. Don't think it was a slur on Burges performance to be honest.
 
TopBoy said:
Burke is an odd player. His build suggests he should be slow when in actual fact he's one of the fastest players I've seen. His size says he should be decent in the air but he jumps so early, and has often risen and landed before the ball gets to him!

Alternative positions:

Linesman.
Fetching the ball when it gets booted out of the ground.
Bloke that gets the backie butties in when the van arrives.
Checkout worker in Lidl.
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I like Burke but no one can consistently mis time jumps like that,it’s become comical.....I’m now of the opinion that his jumping is a merely a deception to give the impression he’s trying to make contact but actually he has no real intention of heading the ball because it either hurts his puppy head or he’s worried about brain damage and suffering the consequence in old age.
Maybe Wilder could get a laser pen and train him to follow the red dot on the pitch.
 
Hes basic, but quick. Will never be a prem player. His touch is really poor for chanp standards, League 1 is his level.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Whenever we have a pacey forward there's going to be weaker parts of his game. If not he'll be gone after one season.

There are very few footballers in the world who can run really really fast and maintain good close technique. I think it's partly the way they've learned to play, i.e. relying on their pace being enough to take them past opponents. So the skill level may not be fabulous. The other part is that it is simply difficult to keep a good touch when the speed is so high.

Burke had a poor game last night, he'll be disappointed with himself. I think his first couple of touches were poor, the attempted return back to Baldock after the throw was one, and it may have affected his confidence. He's done better in other games, technically and made better use of his main attribute.

We don't have to make the decision that he is a poor player now though. Kean Bryan is the latest example of a player holding his own at the top level after being ridiculed by his own fans. It is fine to say that Burke had a poor game last night, that he's not showing as much as we'd hoped. Maybe it won't work out, but how about delaying the verdict for a while longer?

Maybe we'll say after three years here that he was up and down in his first season, played a part in the promotion the following year and surprised a few with some decent games in our Premier League return. Maybe he'll be off to Millwall in the summer, we'll have to see.
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Am I remembering correctly that Raheem Sterling another speedster had a similar issues with his final pass/touch/shot and always seemed to fluff his lines at the last minute particularly for England?
 
FMBlade1 said:
Interestingly had this discussion before here:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/we-need-a-new-coach.84006/

'DCL has attributed his development this season to the influence of Duncan Ferguson. We don't seem to have anyone like that at our club. In the past we had Chris Morgan as a coach who spent a fair bit of time mentoring Harry Maguire.

(Yes we have Sharp and Jagielka who I imagine could try to take on coaching responsibilities in the future though we need people now)

Wilder says that he cannot play the game for them and he is correct. However imagine if Burke asked him how to become a better striker what would he say and what could we offer?

I bet Duncan Ferguson would work wonders with Burke.'
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Flog him to Everton then.
 
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