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SouthEssexBlade said:
Yeah, if that is the old Sheffield Club on the left, then the photographer is stood more or less outside the Mulberry Tavern.
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Cheers, that makes sense. Just had a quick poke around google and found this one as well. I think the building on the right in your photo is top and centre on this one?

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Stretch said:
Cheers, that makes sense. Just had a quick poke around google and found this one as well. I think the building on the right in your photo is top and centre on this one?

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In my original photo, the road going off to the right is Milk Street, which I understand would've gone in front of where the Crucible is now across the square.
 
John Street West Terrace said:
Good find SEB topman , happy memories
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Right, the definitive explanation. This photo is taken from the top of the Lyceum, when they started to clear where the Crucible would be built. Milk Street is the road at the top of the photo with cars parked back of the Odeon cinema, leading off Norfolk street. Which means the original photo was taken opposite from where you would now leave Norfolk street to go to the Crucible.

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John Street West Terrace said:
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I remember Mike Doyle & Tony Book as centre halves around 76/didn’t realise he was in the City team at that time , on the second pic LE was the Utd team stickers , I somehow managed to cock it up when uploading it which isn’t hard for me ive resent it ,
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Tony Book played at right back. The other full back in those days was Glynn Pardoe. The middle three of an old fashioned 2-3-5 was Mike Doyle, George Heslop and Alan Oakes.

City's keeper in the late 60's early 70's was between Harry Dowd and Ken Mulhearn. Joe Corrigan succeeded the pair of them.
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Big Tree at Woodseats

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Now that brings back memories - particularly with our upcoming match with Blackburn! Twas 7th April 1980 and me and my mates (The 'Wap' Mob) were desperate to sample the delights of an away day with The Big Tree Mob. They agreed, on the proviso that 'at least half of you get arrested' (there were about ten of us). On the morning of the Blackburn away game - around 11.00 am - we all convened in The Big Tree for pre-match cocktails and nibbles. Around noon, the shout went up 'Coooarch is ''ere!' and everybody in the pub - and I mean everybody, around 90 to 100 people - drank up and got on this sole Excelsior Travel coach, about a 50-seater. People were in the luggage racks, on the floor etc. Obviously The Big Tree Mob, showing experience of these travels to foreign climes, had supplied 2 or 3 buckets in the aisles -pissing for the use of. Naturally, these were soon filled. And knocked over. Every corner the coach turned, piss swilled from one side of the coach to the other...

The match? A turgid affair that was drifting to a 0-0 draw when I was forcibly banged in the back. One of our brave boys in blue was dragging a young Blade (about 12 years old) to the front by his throat and collided with me. 'Nah then, cunt!' I protested to said officer. He stopped, mid-assault and glared at me. 'Tha's fucking brave, aren't you?' I continued with my reasoned protest. He just stared at me then continued to drag this poor kid out. 'Ha! That told him!' I thought. Except he returned with two of his mates. The three of them dragged me - accidently banging me into crush barriers etc. - into a shitty little, brick-built cop shop near a corner flag.

'Name?' this obese cunt in uniform sat behind a desk asked. 'Am I being arre...?' KAPOWW! One of his mates smacked me on the side of the face. Later, sat in the back of a meat wagon, we watched as the United coaches left and our fans were going berserk. We'd let in a late goal, had lost 1-0 and it was all going off - skylights in coaches being ripped off their hinges and thrown around, windows smashed etc. Back at Blackburn's central nick, four of us were put in a cell, eventually charged and, with well-rehearsed choreography, let out at ten at night. This was a well-known ruse as the locals, pissed up by then, knew the score and waited to attack any away fans who'd been arrested and let out. (Such fun. After all, what the fuck else is there to do on a Saturday night in Blackburn?). A bunch of these locals beat us up, a copper eventually came out of the station and asked 'If we'd like to make a complaint?' Sarcy cunt.

Back in court at Blackburn a few weeks later and a £40 fine for 'disturbing the peace'. Can't complain, that was the only time I've ever been nicked at a match. Amazingly.
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Did a quick search back and I think I'm right...

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John Street West Terrace said:
View attachment 43947 My first pilgrimage aged 9 , just found it in the garage with s load of my other programmes , haven’t seen em in yonks .. can’t stop reading through em .. PS we lost 2-0 as I remember .. welcome to being a Blade .. it’s character building
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That was my first game too! If anyone has a copy of this programme I'd really like one
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Don't think so. In my youth Baker's Hill was the entrance to the backyard of Wigfalls and the steps up to Fitzalan Square. Or am I getting befuddled in my old age?
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The steps still appear to be there on Streetview.

I must have gone up/down those plenty of times many years ago to/from the number 4 bus stop in Fitzalan Square but I never knew the road was called Baker’s Hill.
 
Stretch said:
Cheers, that makes sense. Just had a quick poke around google and found this one as well. I think the building on the right in your photo is top and centre on this one?

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Think you're right. I've not seen this shot before. The old Post Office is in the top left hand corner and in the middle foreground the multi windowed building is the old Walsh's store which was destroyed in the war. The upper row of dormer windows were rooms where the staff lived

It's a good photo showing how much we've lost, but how much remains as well. The road on the right leading towards Norfolk Street with the kink in it is George Street and the building where the street kinks is the current NSPCC building and to the right as you look at it is the Curzon cinema.
 
Looking at these old photographs, how much would would you Sheffielders say was demolished as a result of the Luftwaffe and how much by town planning?

A thing that impressed me looking at old maps is how vast the markets area of Sheffield was pre-War. Names like Baker's Hill, Milk Street etc. reinforce the importance of food in Sheffield and yet, by the time I started to know Sheffield in the 1970s - Castle Market was all you had, a precinct that to me seemed a pale imitation of a proper big food & cloth market like we have in Doncaster. Before I saw the size of the old market at Sheffield I had wrongly thought that the small size of Castle Market must be something to do with Sheffield not being surrounded by big arable farms like Donny is - but I was clearly wrong.

Related to this, in my mind was the poor quality of the Fish and Chips in Sheffield, compared with my home town (though I enjoyed the Harlequin - I'd go there at Saturday lunchtime while my fellow Donny Blades hit the pubs) .... do any other 'foodies' think I'm wrong but is Sheffield still a bit useless for good, cheap produce ..... ?
 
Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
Think you're right. I've not seen this shot before. The old Post Office is in the top left hand corner and in the middle foreground the multi windowed building is the old Walsh's store which was destroyed in the war. The upper row of dormer windows were rooms where the staff lived

It's a good photo showing how much we've lost, but how much remains as well. The road on the right leading towards Norfolk Street with the kink in it is George Street and the building where the street kinks is the current NSPCC building and to the right as you look at it is the Curzon cinema.
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It is a wonderful photo isn't it? It's a shame that much of it isn't there anymore. The war saw to a lot if it but I imagine the clearances in the 60s/70s to make way for Arundel Gate and The Crucible etc was quite merciless as well. The latter has been great for the CIty of course, but I do wish the bulldozers hadn't been quite so keen :(
 
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Having been so critical of your City, I thought I'd better contribute and old map, if not an old photo! I think this is from about 1890 to 1900 .... look at all the markets, linked straight into the railway yard bringing in the livestock. See also how continuous the buildings and streets are straight across the valley and up the hill to the right up Hyde Park .... the map now will have gashes straight through it breaking the roads and connexions between this area and the commercial centre of town .....THAT is the result of bad planning or at least planning predicated on nothing more than long distance road links. And German bombing ........I was wondering which caused most harm?
 
a larger scale map shows the markets at roughly the same date ...Screen Shot 2018-09-06 at 09.59.03.png

Fitzalan Market, Norfolk Market, Castlefolds Market, Corn Exchange, Haymarket, Fish Market, Sheaf Market & this doesn't show the Smithfield Market between Victoria Station and the City centre. It does show Baker's Hill continuous with Fitzalan Square (which I note was called Market St. then) but it's before the GPO building there .... which was presumably when they remodelled the land to insert the sorting office and had to break Baker's Hill with a staircase?? I also thought there was a street called Shambles but I cannot see it here.

oh for further reference use this site

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.3831&lon=-1.4642&layers=168&b=1
 
vorpal blade said:
Looking at these old photographs, how much would would you Sheffielders say was demolished as a result of the Luftwaffe and how much by town planning?

Another thing that impressed me looking at old maps is how vast the markets area of Sheffield was pre-War. Names like Baker's Hill, Milk Street etc. reinforce the importance of food in Sheffield and yet, by the time I started to know Sheffield in the 1970s - Castle Market was all you had, a precinct that to me seemed a pale imitation of a proper big food & cloth market like we have in Doncaster. Before I saw the size of the old market at Sheffield I had wrongly thought that the small size of Castle Market must be something to do with Sheffield not being surrounded by big arable farms like Donny is - but I was clearly wrong.

Related to this, in my mind was the poor quality of the Fish and Chips in Sheffield, compared with my home town (though I enjoyed the Harlequin - I'd go there at Saturday lunchtime while my fellow Donny Blades hit the pubs) .... do any other 'foodies' think I'm wrong but is Sheffield still a bit useless for good, cheap produce ..... ?
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12th December and 15th December 1940. The nights the Luftwaffe decided to take out the munitions and armaments works in Sheffield. It was codenamed 'Crucible' by the Germans. On the first night c.12,000 bombs were dropped. Whether it was poor planning or a deliberate policy, most of these fell in and around the city centre, rather than further down the Don Valley where the steel works were all located. Vicar Lane, Campo Lane took direct hits, as did the Cathedral. Later the C&A building was hit and more or less flattened and later the Marples Hotel opposite was hit, killing around 70. Earlier in the evening the early bombings hit Norton and Gleadless.

2nd night the bombs were more incendiary. Over 11,000 of these were dropped in that raid, this time targeting the steelworks, Hadfields and Brown Bayleys particularly hit.

In total more than 660 people were killed, over 1,500 injured and more than 40,000 people were made homeless 78,000 homes were damaged and many businesses in the city centre were damaged or destroyed.

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This was Broomhall:






Walkley



The Moor




And, of course, Bramall Lane, John Street stand

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The King visits the aftermath

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Kentblade said:
Remember it well going through the Smog. Could go on for days. The city was invisible from Holly Thorpe Rise while waiting for the bus and no doubt from other places as well.
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Ruskin famously described the view from the Norfolk Arms at Ringinglow as a:

"Dirty picture in a golden frame"

https://theculturevulture.co.uk/all/ruskin-gallery-sheffield/

The golden frame is still very much there but now the smog has lifted the major archictectural gems for your eyes to feast on are the Hallamshire Hospital, Hyde Park Flats and the Bernard Road Incinerator.....
 

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