Nowthen Prince this is your 3rd JTW after 2 Summer Windows.

[Deaneandagana]

Sorry but that's not the case. The assets were all transferred out of the FC with the equivalent amount of debt.

Apologies you are correct, just checked

 

[blade too long]

The thing is you keep saying that the fact these players are allowed to leave or sold hasn't been the main reason we have failed to gain promotion...when it's blinding clear it is.

If Blackman had stayed we would have finished top two that season,

If Macdonald had not gone we would have made the play offs that season at least.

If Maguire had not left I am sure we would have been close to top two and at worst an outfit much more likely to make a play off impact.

Murphy not being here so far has cost us I reckon between 6 - 9 points already and we sit 11 off auto, if we finish 3 or 4 points off promotion this season that will be the main reason we did not go up.

what a pile of crap
there is nothing to back up your wilf flailing comments
macdonalds sored 3 goals since the beginning of last season , not much for a midfielder


Blackmans took nearly 3 years to hit a run of goals , hed scored 7 since leaving us inhis first 2 seasons
cant see 3 goals a season getting us up
maguires only get a run recently at hull but was dropped after a run of defeats
theres nothing to guarentee wed go up because of one player

 

[blade too long]

What happened to Murphy signing a new extended contract just prior to his request to move? I presume when McCabe a few years ago said the days of the club selling its best players were over was actually a lie, because if all a player has to do is "ask to leave" for the club to sell that player, then that makes a mockery of the whole thing

If a player and I'm specifically referring to Murphy, signs an extended contract just a few months prior to his request to move, there is nothing to stop the club from saying "no"
I'm afraid it's just a convenient excuse for the club to cash in. Sorry, cynical or not that's the way I see it

As for the "selling one player isn't a reason to moan" I'm afraid to say it is, when that one player happens to continually be your best player and it continues season after season. The club pay us so much lip service in their quest for promotion whist continually pulling the rug from under our feet by selling our best players season after season. We know under certain circumstances it is the correct decision to let a player go, (end of contract, offer to good to turn down) we also know they (the board) have a tendency to move out our best players regardless and that's despite the recent investment and the positive comments from McCabe regards "think Liverpool"

what delusion
if a players wants to leave they will get to go
his appearance at Gillingham playing statues for 90 minutes says heres what you get if you force me to stay
greedy twat wanted double money
really was that simple

people are quick to slag off less liked players for not trying but cant see what his aim was

 

[Blade58]

what delusion
if a players wants to leave they will get to go
his appearance at Gillingham playing statues for 90 minutes says heres what you get if you force me to stay
greedy twat wanted double money
really was that simple

If he wanted double money why did he sign a new contract just a few months prior?

As for delusion buddy, you see it as you wish. I've supported the club for long enough not to be deluded, just mislead and on more than one occasion. I'm just preparing myself for one of our better players coming down with flu.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Apologies you are correct, just checked

That debt plus the £37 million shows how badly we have been run since PL relegation. Clearly Robson and Robinsons tenure did most damage but we've been unable to turn it around on and off the pitch since.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think it's best for everyone to talk in terms more understood by everybody rather than use accountancy terms which can be meaningless to some posters.

Explaining things simply doesn't stop you ignoring it and repeatedly posting Your fantasy take on things as if you have some insight despite the facts being out there that prove it's all hogwash.

It's 50/50 in shares now and has been since the Prince came on board, no matter how much you, for whatever reason, want to persuade people otherwise.

 

[Deaneandagana]

That debt plus the £37 million shows how badly we have been run since PL relegation. Clearly Robson and Robinsons tenure did most damage but we've been unable to turn it around on and off the pitch since.

Indeed approx £60m

 

[judge]

Indeed approx £60m

How though
Where did it go?
We had premiership money and tevez money and we only really spent big for one year before selling everyone off

How did this happen ?

 

[blade too long]

If he wanted double money why did he sign a new contract just a few months prior?

he wasnt aware of Brightons interest then , was he

 

[Deaneandagana]

How though
Where did it go?
We had premiership money and tevez money and we only really spent big for one year before selling everyone off

How did this happen ?

Trading losses, the football club has been recording trading losses of circa £5m for the last 5 years, add to that the financial disasters of the Robson era + paying off a succession of managers & their entourages etc etc

 

[blade too long]

How though
Where did it go?
We had premiership money and tevez money and we only really spent big for one year before selling everyone off

How did this happen ?

in the first 7 years since relegation from the prem we lost 8 to 10 million on average a year around 75 million
mainly on inflated contracts

we really arent asking wheres the money gone again , really ?

parachute money when we got it was woefully inadequate

 

[judge]

in the first 7 years since relegation from the prem we lost 8 to 10 million a year around 75 million
mainly on inflated contracts

we really arent asking wheres the money gone again , really ?

parachute money when we got it was woefully inadequate

im not asking you no
I would be wasting my time

 

[blade too long]

im not asking you no
I would be wasting my time

just make it up as usual then


try using a balance sheet
money in , AND money out
clears a lot up

 

[judge]

just make it up as usual then


try using a balance sheet
money in , AND money out
clears a lot up

I was trying to ask someone who knows what theyre talking about
But thanks for the effort

 

[Harry's Game]

what a pile of crap
there is nothing to back up your wilf flailing comments
macdonalds sored 3 goals since the beginning of last season , not much for a midfielder


Blackmans took nearly 3 years to hit a run of goals , hed scored 7 since leaving us inhis first 2 seasons
cant see 3 goals a season getting us up
maguires only get a run recently at hull but was dropped after a run of defeats
theres nothing to guarentee wed go up because of one player

Still in complete denial... You are the sort of person Kevin McCabe laughs up his sleeve at.

 

[blade too long]

whereas youve got him sussed
what a genius

yes Im gutted we sold Blackman his 3 goals a year , first 2 years after he left would have took us up

Im just laughing out loud at that one

even Higdon scored more

 

[FellBlade]

I don't understand why Adkins and his scouting team don't just get on Football Manager 2016 and get analysing for potential ideas that way.works for me everytime.

 

[Worksop II]

I don't understand why Adkins and his scouting team don't just get on Football Manager 2016 and get analysing for potential ideas that way.works for me everytime.

Kev is way ahead of you, he has bought Premier Manager (1995) and a Megadrive

He is just waiting for Nads to hook it all up

 

[PeteBlade]

we sold players who asked to leave to go up a division , or 2 in Maguires case
both were offered enhanced terms but asked to go

we arent as bad as say Swindon who sold half a decent side
in league one you will lose your more accomplished players purely for more money and a higher status

Selling one player isnt reason enough to moan ,
we got weakened more by injuries to brayford done coutts etc etc
If Murphy had done a cruciate or similar we would have had to cope without him like we were without Brayford , so saying one player leaving kills us is garbage

We sell a player every single year.
Always our best.
Always leaving us weaker.
Always without replacing.

Even your internet stats could tell you that. It's not something that needs defending.

 

[PeteBlade]

its fact , both asked to leave
why you keep bringing up Murphy as some long lost Messi beggars belief
he played at Gillingham showed fuck all effort to prove his determination to leave
so we let him leave
let the cunt drop hes left of his own valition , ie is not a blade
no one player is bigger than the club , so one leaving means nothing

What a pathetic post purely because a player left us.

Utterly pathetic.

 

[Rodley]

im not asking you no
I would be wasting my time

And people would be wasting their time explaining because the question comes up time and time again by the same people.

It's like the obscure and bizarre rumours which occasionally do the rounds, mostly peddled by people who just seem a bit depressed.

 

[PeteBlade]

just make it up as usual then


try using a balance sheet
money in , AND money out
clears a lot up

*Irony alert*

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

That's rubbish ! I saw KM in Staples boxing day sales buying a new fax machine !

He was giving it to the Prince for nowt though and the Prince was paying it off in 12 instalments!

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

Pete

I don't think you've been watching closely enough.

Brayford is the next "best player to leave".

Just a question of when.

It will be in the summer if we don't go up!

 

[Zlatan]

Players will have to go out before any decent players arrive, good players will want paying decent wages and we are on the edge of the FFP limit.

Looking at the rules I'm not sure why we are even subject to them whilst in League One. If we want to spend a lot on wages then we can do according to this, providing money is pumped in by the board.

Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:

• Match-day Income
• Commercial Income (such as sponsorship)
• TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)

However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

 

[UnitedBlade]

Looking at the rules I'm not sure why we are even subject to them whilst in League One. If we want to spend a lot on wages then we can do according to this, providing money is pumped in by the board.

Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:

• Match-day Income
• Commercial Income (such as sponsorship)
• TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)

However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

Yes, but the important thing is anything above the SCMP 60% calculation for first team wages is deemed as "equity" ie you are not loaning money which you might get back in the future. Our owners are already subsidising losses, at least one of them doesn't want to compound those losses.

If you are a billionaire, you can afford to chuck loads of money at any club - the bloke at Bournemouth did it, as did Lansdown at Bristol City and Benham at Brentford.

I wish it wasn't the case but it's riskier for McCabe and the Prince if you don't have the same level of wealth. They still expect Adkins to be good enough to take us up with the existing squad (which must cost £5M - £6M pa).

Thanks to our poor run of 15 points from 15 games, we've almost certainly missed automatic promotion again this season.

I'm still hopeful for the play offs. But we could easily fail again. Maybe McCabe is looking at further investment via the Chinese ?

 

[wizadry]

Looking at the rules I'm not sure why we are even subject to them whilst in League One. If we want to spend a lot on wages then we can do according to this, providing money is pumped in by the board.

Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:

• Match-day Income
• Commercial Income (such as sponsorship)
• TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)

However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

It's been discussed a couple of times before and this is spot on Zlatan.

Therefore, if i understand this properly, the more we spend this season will help us next season if we were to get into the Championship in the way of spending substantial amounts if needs be. However, someone can gladly correct me if this is wrong, it as been known on more than one occasion

 

[UnitedBlade]

It's been discussed a couple of times before and this is spot on Zlatan.

Therefore, if i understand this properly, the more we spend this season will help us next season if we were to get into the Championship in the way of spending substantial amounts if needs be. However, someone can gladly correct me if this is wrong, it as been known on more than one occasion

Championship rules are completely unrelated, SCMP only operates for L1 and L2.

I think it used to be you could lose about £8M annually in the Championship but they increased that to about £13M.

We don't need to worry about the Championship rules, we need to get out of this division. So far we've been fucking it up and spending too much money. It's the Blades Way.

 

[wizadry]

Championship rules are completely unrelated, SCMP only operates for L1 and L2.

I think it used to be you could lose about £8M annually in the Championship but they increased that to about £13M.

We don't need to worry about the Championship rules, we need to get out of this division. So far we've been fucking it up and spending too much money. It's the Blades Way.

I have just slapped my own face, i'll know better next time

 

[UnitedBlade]

I have just slapped my own face, i'll know better next time

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php

This chart explains it quite succinctly.