Now is the time for Clough to go

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Yet again negative Nigel as done his best to not win a game.
Why oh why did he take both forwards off. Sparky may not have been great but with a midfield like ours which cannot pass a ball to someone's feet when they are being marked by bigger stronger players is ridiculous.
He says about the tempo in the first half not being good, it's been the same all season. Have a bet on uniteds home games being goalless at half time you would be quids in. It's still not too late to get someone in who can get this lot playing attacking football. I know this won't happen with the useless board we have here
I have 5 words for Negative for the Fleetwood game ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
 



Yet again negative Nigel as done his best to not win a game.
Why oh why did he take both forwards off. Sparky may not have been great but with a midfield like ours which cannot pass a ball to someone's feet when they are being marked by bigger stronger players is ridiculous.
He says about the tempo in the first half not being good, it's been the same all season. Have a bet on uniteds home games being goalless at half time you would be quids in. It's still not too late to get someone in who can get this lot playing attacking football. I know this won't happen with the useless board we have here
I have 5 words for Negative for the Fleetwood game ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

Oh right... So its you that sits in front of me on the South Stand. :rolleyes:
 
Why oh why did he take both forwards off. Sparky may not have been great but with a midfield like ours which cannot pass a ball to someone's feet when they are being marked by bigger stronger players is ridiculous.

He took him off after three balls into his feet in a row that he chose to flick to the opposition rather than control.

I have 5 words for Negative for the Fleetwood game ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

Perhaps we should chant 4-4-2 at him too, then whinge that we don't have time on the ball and resort to passes backwards or longer.
 
Yet again negative Nigel as done his best to not win a game.
Why oh why did he take both forwards off. Sparky may not have been great but with a midfield like ours which cannot pass a ball to someone's feet when they are being marked by bigger stronger players is ridiculous.
He says about the tempo in the first half not being good, it's been the same all season. Have a bet on uniteds home games being goalless at half time you would be quids in. It's still not too late to get someone in who can get this lot playing attacking football. I know this won't happen with the useless board we have here
I have 5 words for Negative for the Fleetwood game ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
As much as i'm pissed off tonight, this is utter shite mate.
 
Silly Billy.....you really ought to take a deep breath before you attempt to prove how much time you've spent considering your comments.....ooops, sorry, you haven't given this any thought, have you?
 
You lot happy with another season in league 1 then.

He signed Mcnulty and as spent most of the time slagging him off.

Signed Butler got rid of before giving him a chance. He as obviously thrown his teddy out with Collins, I'm sure he could have helped us out defence tonight when we conceeded 2 poor goals. We heave a big problem with not being able to keep a clean sheet and not creating enough unlike most of rival around us. We've been fortunate tonight that the others have lost but some of the ones below are creating up on us.

Can anyone honestly think this team can win in the play offs
 
You make some valid points Billy - and judging from the reaction at the Lane tonight, many agree with you. Lots of fans very pissed off with Clough.
 
Mr Blackadder always says, "When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table!"
 
He will get another season (or at least the majority of it) so it's no good banging on about sacking him it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Of course if we get off to a David Weir like start next season then it might happen a bit earlier.
 
I can't be arsed with wanting a manager to go because we always seem to end up with someone worse but if you'd told United fans last May that by early March the automatic places were naught but a madman 's pipe dream every one of them to a man would have considered that a failure.
 
I can't be arsed with wanting a manager to go because we always seem to end up with someone worse but if you'd told United fans last May that by early March the automatic places were naught but a madman 's pipe dream every one of them to a man would have considered that a failure.

I think we as fans are suffering from a disease called "Raised expectations"
 
They wouldn't have been naught but a madman 's pipe dream if we'd managed to hang on at the death, and still might not be if we beat Fleetwood and others stumble.

Fleetwood is definitely the last chance auto promo saloon
 



You lot happy with another season in league 1 then.

He signed Mcnulty and as spent most of the time slagging him off.

Signed Butler got rid of before giving him a chance. He as obviously thrown his teddy out with Collins, I'm sure he could have helped us out defence tonight when we conceeded 2 poor goals. We heave a big problem with not being able to keep a clean sheet and not creating enough unlike most of rival around us. We've been fortunate tonight that the others have lost but some of the ones below are creating up on us.

Can anyone honestly think this team can win in the play offs
Will we make the play-offs? YES? are you sure?
 
Whilst I understand what you mean by raised expectations I don't think our initial expectations should ever have been lowered to being content with a still contentious position in the playoffs. This given support, the history of time, squad and financial backing.

We could be doing much better if we were more positive and it would be more enjoyable to watch. I don't see anything scandalous about that.

To still be pointing out our lacklustre first half's should be a source of embarrassment for Clough. I hope to hell we pick up again and get up any how we can however we need to find a way to stop conceding sloppy goals and to stamp our style on teams for longer at home. For me that means sorting out a timid and ineffective central midfield often devoid of responsibility.
 
I agree it isn't where we wanted to be and I agree unless we go up via the play offs which is where I think we will end up then it should be considered a failed season. But we cannot keep sacking managers and expecting to progress. It doesn't work for us. It was only 2 seasons ago we sacked Wilson and look at the mess that made.

Sorry but while I agree with the disappointment of our position sacking the manager is a stupid statement based on what I can only assume is a spare of the moment post. There are eleven plus players in that team last night that need to have a long hard look at themselves. The manager shouldn't be beyond criticism but those on the pitch need to up their game.
 
Hear what you say Billy but unless you are visiting from porktalk you must realise it's to late this season, we missed our chance before Christmas. Not sensible unless like Swindon you are in free fall to dump the manger now as we ramp up to the end of the season.

Just hope he gets some goal scoring muscle in the side AND grows a pair before its to late.

Most would say he will get another season. I wonder if the board (assuming Prince stays) will trust him with the cash next season.
 
I agree it isn't where we wanted to be and I agree unless we go up via the play offs which is where I think we will end up then it should be considered a failed season. But we cannot keep sacking managers and expecting to progress. It doesn't work for us. It was only 2 seasons ago we sacked Wilson and look at the mess that made.

Sorry but while I agree with the disappointment of our position sacking the manager is a stupid statement based on what I can only assume is a spare of the moment post. There are eleven plus players in that team last night that need to have a long hard look at themselves. The manager shouldn't be beyond criticism but those on the pitch need to up their game.

But we can not keep failing to win promotion and hope to keep our best players.

If we don't go up this season, I will be shocked if Murphy stays. So just like last season when we failed to replace Maguire, Coady and Brayford, I can see another poor start to the season without our best player(s).
 
Although the immediate proximity to last night's full-time whistle makes Billy obviously emotional (never a good time to post - sleep on it), he has some valid points. NC definitely has some searching questions to answer after last night - and getting into verbal spats with fans behind the dugout isn't the time or place to do it.

The only highlights for me from last night are Done's goal - sublime - and the refs. excellent performance. The guy next to me asked my prediction before kick off. He seemed incredulous when I said 1-1. His attitude was 'but it's only Peterborough'. More of which later. Just before their utterly-inevitable equaliser, he asked 'still sticking with 1-1?' I said 'Oh yes. Posh have been in charge for 30 minutes and we haven't a clue how to stop them.' At 1-1 and with their goalie pissing about, I said 'They'd be mad not to go for a winner. We're there for the taking.'

Once again, we've blown a chance with MKD and Swindon imploding. It's an open invite for a team - Bradford, maybe? Donnie? Chezzie? to mount a charge which the present imcumbents of the play-off places would appear to be incapable of resisting.

So on to NC.

  • Why did he pull off Done? (Here, I expect the usual 'he was injured' bollocks.) So...
  • Why was he happy to see us play the last 15-20 minutes with ten men? Flynn could barely move! Bring Adams on, anyone?
  • As well as Done did, he was always facing an uphill battle against their huge defenders. Maybe time to realise that physicality gets you out of this division, not the faux-Arsenal approach we started the match with?

And that's just for starters. I've been to every home game this season (don't go away anymore, but it's obvious the pattern is much the same). In each game, we could have won. Or drawn. Or lost. There's no confidence, no consistency and I'd argue that we're fortunate to be as highly-placed as we are. We're incapable of taking a game by the balls, like Preston did at Oldham last Saturday. Yes, I know, 'only Oldham...'

Autos have gone, but this presents another ideal situation for us. Let Bristol & Preston run away with it, they deserve it and either would see us off over two legs in a play-off situation. Rather hope for meetings with rapidly-fading and unconfident teams like the two I've previously mentioned.

I'll end with 'but it's only Peterborough'. On Saturday it'll be 'It's only Fleetwood'. Leaving aside history, potential, crowds etc. which count for fuck all when that first whistle goes, these team are packed with young, fit, physically-imposing athletes who are playing for their futures. If we haven't got the basic skill (and last night would suggest that we certainly haven't), sport is about horses for courses. Extremely tall guys will usually beat short guys in tennis and cricket. And in football, a couple of 6-foot+ defenders, facing ill-considered boots in the general direction of their goal will usually trump skillful but tiny guys.

Our plastic 'tiki-taki' will not get us out of this division.
 
Bringing on Adams was an obvious substitution and to a lot around me.
 



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