Now is the opportunity

[blade too long]

We're not good enough to get in them in the first place.

of course we are
we will piss one of the play offs
bet you 100 quid we do

 

[alcoblade]

So we're out of the cup, not unexpected when you pitch a third div side against a Premier League team, even an under performing one. We've had the obligatory tweet from Phipps of pride in the lads, gaffer and fans. But ultimately, like another thread states, it has ended in failure. This season was never going to be about success after a summers failure to build a team to challenge.

So now is the chance, we've given many of these players their moment, they've done themselves proud in front of 9,000 away fans and a big crowd at Old Trafford, but lets break it up.

Too many players fail to perform week in week out, its taken many of them half a season to get fit or look interested, the rest haven't even managed that. McEveley has been awful this season and got his moment today, but young Kieran Wallace, has been banished beyond the bench.

Its time for the board to wield the axe on the likes of McEveley and bring through the Wallace's (Not James, he's fooked)

Act now United, build a side between now and the summer and start strong next season

4 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. Now I think I can see what we are about. I'd stick with the side as is, and gradually replace one at a time.

If we could replace Collins and Sammon in this transfer window I actually think we'd have a chance. I don't think we will make those changes though.

UTB

PS McEveley has been good for about the last 6 games now.

 

[Barney]

of course we are
we will piss one of the play offs
bet you 100 quid we do

I don't want to be betting that much, but clear up what it is we're betting on, winning the play offs?

 

[Harry's Game]

why wont we
some really shit sides have won play offs

some teams have scraped into the top 6 then rode their luck to win 2 games
we can do that we are due

With a top Winger ( Murphy ) a dominating centre back (Maguire) a creative centre mid (Quinn) added to this squad we would probably win the play offs, unfortunately they are not here and have never been adequately replaced as we have been trying to tell you for yonks.

 

[blade too long]

I don't want to be betting that much, but clear up what it is we're betting on, winning the play offs?

you said we wouldnt make the play offs
Im betting we do
you inferred we cant make up 4 points in 22 games

 

[Barney]

you said we wouldnt make the play offs

Ok, I'll give £20 to a charity of your choice if we make the play offs.

 

[blade too long]

Ok, I'll give £20 to a charity of your choice if we make the play offs.

Ill go for that then and 20 we finally win a play off

 

[Barney]

Ill go for that then and 20 we finally win a play off

Deal. Mine is the Sheffield Children's Hospital.

 

[blade too long]

st lukes hopice
for me

 

[Hunkerby]

Act now United, build a side between now and the summer and start strong next season

This is sounding far too much like a blueprint for success tied to a long term strategy.
Our club would never do such a thing as this!

 

[Kev Gee]

So we're out of the cup, not unexpected when you pitch a third div side against a Premier League team, even an under performing one. We've had the obligatory tweet from Phipps of pride in the lads, gaffer and fans. But ultimately, like another thread states, it has ended in failure. This season was never going to be about success after a summers failure to build a team to challenge.

So now is the chance, we've given many of these players their moment, they've done themselves proud in front of 9,000 away fans and a big crowd at Old Trafford, but lets break it up.

Too many players fail to perform week in week out, its taken many of them half a season to get fit or look interested, the rest haven't even managed that. McEveley has been awful this season and got his moment today, but young Kieran Wallace, has been banished beyond the bench.

Its time for the board to wield the axe on the likes of McEveley and bring through the Wallace's (Not James, he's fooked)

Act now United, build a side between now and the summer and start strong next season

100% agree mate.

We did better 2 years ago with most of the players in this team in the cups under Cloygh and we are still here in L1.............


90% of these players are just not upto the job of winning promotion from this league. They just can not handle the pressure. simple as that.

 

[SwissBlade]

4 weeks ago I would have agreed with you. Now I think I can see what we are about. I'd stick with the side as is, and gradually replace one at a time.

If we could replace Collins and Sammon in this transfer window I actually think we'd have a chance. I don't think we will make those changes though.

UTB

PS McEveley has been good for about the last 6 games now.

But isn't this the major issue at the club? Too many players given clean slates because of a few decent (less shit games). Its funny how a number of these performers started playing well after we drew Man U in the Cup.

Act now and make a statement to the remaining players that we don't accept failure....

 

[SwissBlade]

Wow. You really don't like him do you.
It has to be Collins first. The number of times J Mc digs him out is uncountable.

He is pretty awful most of the time, of course it goes without saying that Collins has to go.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Betcha. I look forward to your post following the 3 -0 loss to a very powerful and athletic Wigan side.

And that is where the problem lies. They can turn in on and produce a creditable performance in front of cameras, a big crowd and at Old Trafford. Let's see how they go on at Wigan on a cold evening in front of 12k.

 

[sheffielder]

100% agree mate.

We did better 2 years ago with most of the players in this team in the cups under Cloygh and we are still here in L1.............


90% of these players are just not upto the job of winning promotion from this league. They just can not handle the pressure. simple as that.

It's not the pressure they can't handle as they can perform in the cups. These players are just very inconsistent and that is why they are playing in the 1st division. It is why you have to pay the money to get some quality here.

 

[SwissBlade]

It's not the pressure they can't handle as they can perform in the cups. These players are just very inconsistent and that is why they are playing in the 1st division. It is why you have to pay the money to get some quality here.

Its more because they think they should be playing at Old Trafford every week, instead they have to play wigan away on a wet tuesday in January.

 

[Blade56]

So we're out of the cup, not unexpected when you pitch a third div side against a Premier League team, even an under performing one. We've had the obligatory tweet from Phipps of pride in the lads, gaffer and fans. But ultimately, like another thread states, it has ended in failure. This season was never going to be about success after a summers failure to build a team to challenge.

So now is the chance, we've given many of these players their moment, they've done themselves proud in front of 9,000 away fans and a big crowd at Old Trafford, but lets break it up.

Too many players fail to perform week in week out, its taken many of them half a season to get fit or look interested, the rest haven't even managed that. McEveley has been awful this season and got his moment today, but young Kieran Wallace, has been banished beyond the bench.

Its time for the board to wield the axe on the likes of McEveley and bring through the Wallace's (Not James, he's fooked)

Act now United, build a side between now and the summer and start strong next season

I like the cut of yout hymn sheet Sir

 

[SwissBlade]

thats the thing , if we hit a consistant run of wins now it will put us in with a chance, it is possible to
a team can change from good to bad and bad to good over a season
weve been inconsistant but a run of 8 wins on the trot which weve done before can change perceptions and belief
but
we have to do it of first of course
but theres no reason it cant be us that can find some form , but I admit we need 2 or 3 fresh faces to enable it

What evidence of such dramatic changes suggests that we will go on this run of 8 wins? Commitment and desire when it suits?

 

[alcoblade]

But isn't this the major issue at the club? Too many players given clean slates because of a few decent (less shit games). Its funny how a number of these performers started playing well after we drew Man U in the Cup.

Act now and make a statement to the remaining players that we don't accept failure....

I think your dummy is out at the moment mate

It's obvious that we've changed the way we play. And it obviously suits the players we have. It's obvious to me that is responsible for a pick up in performance.

To suggest it's because the players wanted to play a ManUre is the type of thing we are all guilty if believing when we are pissed off and emotion has taken over our thinking.

UTB

 

[Rodley]

I think your dummy is out at the moment mate

It's obvious that we've changed the way we play. And it obviously suits the players we have. It's obvious to me that is responsible for a pick up in performance.

To suggest it's because the players wanted to play a ManUre is the type of thing we are all guilty if believing when we are pissed off and emotion has taken over our thinking.

UTB

We're improving and playing better this last month or so.

Either the food is shite in Iraq or Swiss has lost the passport photo of Clough from his wallet

 

[super_pig]

I think your dummy is out at the moment mate

It's obvious that we've changed the way we play. And it obviously suits the players we have. It's obvious to me that is responsible for a pick up in performance.

To suggest it's because the players wanted to play a ManUre is the type of thing we are all guilty if believing when we are pissed off and emotion has taken over our thinking.

UTB

i think Swiss is (correctly in my opinion) suggested that some of them are a bunch of big time charlies who can deal with being the underdog at OT but not as the favourites at BDTBL.. therefore they potentially have the ability but don't have the balls.
we were never going to win at OT.. the referees won't allow it.. that's why i wanted us to go for it for a laugh.. the REAL test is Wigan.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think your dummy is out at the moment mate

It's obvious that we've changed the way we play. And it obviously suits the players we have. It's obvious to me that is responsible for a pick up in performance.

To suggest it's because the players wanted to play a ManUre is the type of thing we are all guilty if believing when we are pissed off and emotion has taken over our thinking.

UTB

To be honest, i don't have a lot of emotion towards United at the moment, its a case of going through the motions this season and whilst i did have hopes for the cup, i never expected this side to go 90 mins at Old Trafford without conceding, i did think we could possibly nick a goal though, but not to win the game.

I quite happily accept we were on a mini run in December and that certain players have played above themselves too. However, i can't comment too much from that mini run as i only saw the Coventry game (so i'm quite careful of picking out individual performances in this time). However, having watched most of these players for the last couple of seasons and many of the new players this season, its been the most disappointing in terms of tactics, fitness and general togetherness. This is the least United side i've seen for a while

Yes the style of play has changed, but it also had to. We were winning virtually nothing, conceding bucket loads and even the goals had dried up. In some ways we have gone back to basics (something which had to happen in september, not november) to stop conceding and it has been effective in some cases. That said though, the simple truth is that these players are not a defensive unit unless they are 100% focussed 100% of the game. They don't have the additional attributes such as pace, ability to read the game or the nifty footwork to recover from their mistakes.

So whilst I'm almost resigned to another year in this division, yes, the dummy is out, the toys are out of the pram and this is exactly what is needed to start the clear out.

Lets not forget we've been in this division for 5+ years. We can't just forget that certain players have been mostly diabolical or at least recently diabolical, because they've played half a dozen ok games in a month.

 

[Rodley]

I suspect we'll see a big clear out in the summer. I don't think Adkins was unreasonable in his logic that a team that got into the players needed only 3 or 4 proven additions to push on. It's not gone quite according to plan but we're just after the halfway stage.

Regardless the mans got the track record, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I still think playoffs are well within our reach this year and then we build for next season if we don't make it.

I would like to see Khan and DCL on the bench though. I think the former could challenge for the left wing position and the latter will usurp Sammon at some stage.

 

[alcoblade]

To be honest, i don't have a lot of emotion towards United at the moment, its a case of going through the motions this season and whilst i did have hopes for the cup, i never expected this side to go 90 mins at Old Trafford without conceding, i did think we could possibly nick a goal though, but not to win the game.

I quite happily accept we were on a mini run in December and that certain players have played above themselves too. However, i can't comment too much from that mini run as i only saw the Coventry game (so i'm quite careful of picking out individual performances in this time). However, having watched most of these players for the last couple of seasons and many of the new players this season, its been the most disappointing in terms of tactics, fitness and general togetherness. This is the least United side i've seen for a while

Yes the style of play has changed, but it also had to. We were winning virtually nothing, conceding bucket loads and even the goals had dried up. In some ways we have gone back to basics (something which had to happen in september, not november) to stop conceding and it has been effective in some cases. That said though, the simple truth is that these players are not a defensive unit unless they are 100% focussed 100% of the game. They don't have the additional attributes such as pace, ability to read the game or the nifty footwork to recover from their mistakes.

So whilst I'm almost resigned to another year in this division, yes, the dummy is out, the toys are out of the pram and this is exactly what is needed to start the clear out.

Lets not forget we've been in this division for 5+ years. We can't just forget that certain players have been mostly diabolical or at least recently diabolical, because they've played half a dozen ok games in a month.

I'd bin a lot of players, don't get me wrong. But most of the players on that field were not responsible for us being in this division for 5 yeas.

It clearly takes more time than most of us want to accept for players and managers to get settled and put their plans into place. One of our better players at the moment is Paul Coutts, who looked to me like he's stolen a wage for the last "10" months (or whatever). Should we really bin him now he's performing?

Throwing away the last 6 months of effort would be a really silly thing to do, IMHO.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

What evidence of such dramatic changes suggests that we will go on this run of 8 wins? Commitment and desire when it suits?

what evidence has there ever been before a run , thats the point , teams just click and get a run going
just saying we wont do it , as weve been inconsistent is wrong
as all other teams that have had a good run second half of the season , including Adkins led scunny and saints hasd both been inconsistant before the new year

We lost at Crewe 3-0 before winning 8 on the trot 24 months ago , which sort of is the point

 

[blade too long]

There'll be some other excuse next year that'll make posters say similar about the following year.

And so the process will continue, round in circles.

we all thought like that in 1988 we hadnt been very good for 8 years
after relegation to div 4 in 82 after 2 years in div 3
but we got up to div 3
got promoted back to tier 2 , relegated again
we were going no where
then within 2 years we were back in the top flight


football fortunes fluctuate
we will be back ,,,, soon

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

We get beat in League 1 mostly because in key areas in the team (centre half and centre forward spring to mind) we get out muscled. In the cup games against higher league opposition matching them physically isn't really an issue, hence why the team has been showing up better in cup games than in the League over the last couple of years.