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Who was better for us; Coutts in the first half of last season or Norwood in the first half of this

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alcoblade said:
As a measure of how well we’re performing with Norwood in the team - We might go second in the table tomorrow.

Are you really suggesting that you’d switch one of the most influential positions on the pitch “if he’s showing signs that he can get back to previous levels”?

I’m astounded anyone would think that.
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That's a bit unfair to bring league positions into it.

Had Coutts not been crudely taken out by Sordell (remember we were top of the division after that game) then who knows we may have remained in the autos for much longer, and perhaps even stayed there. And that was with a few less quality players around him. Imagine Coutts of last season with McGoldrick as an option in front of him. The interplay around the box would be sublime.
 



guancheblade said:
That's a bit unfair to bring league positions into it.

Had Coutts not been crudely taken out by Sordell (remember we were top of the division after that game) then who knows we may have remained in the autos for much longer, and perhaps even stayed there. And that was with a few less quality players around him. Imagine Coutts of last season with McGoldrick as an option in front of him. The interplay around the box would be sublime.
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Unfair? It's just a measure of where we are right now.

Coutts is a top player. I just wouldn't be fucking about with a first team that's proving so successful.
 
alcoblade said:
As a measure of how well we’re performing with Norwood in the team - We might go second in the table tomorrow.

Are you really suggesting that you’d switch one of the most influential positions on the pitch “if he’s showing signs that he can get back to previous levels”?

I’m astounded anyone would think that.
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I didn't say that did I?

I'm suggesting that, providing he's at a decent enough level, he should be given opportunities when they arise. And that if he isn't, he'll leave. More appearances from the bench would be a start.
 
Coutts. Brings the best out of Fleck in a way that Norwood never will.
 
Ricky said:
I didn't say that did I?

I'm suggesting that, providing he's at a decent enough level, he should be given opportunities when they arise. And that if he isn't, he'll leave. More appearances from the bench would be a start.
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So, you would change a team for the sake of it, just not too much. It amounts to the same thing, just to a lesser degree. It’s a fair argument and I’m not being facetious, I just don’t agree.

We should pick our strongest team and change to accommodate tiredness / tactics, not to “give ‘em a run”.

I accept the Coutts is an exceptional corcumstance mind, but I’d relentlessly stick to plan A.
 
alcoblade said:
So, you would change a team for the sake of it, just not too much. It amounts to the same thing, just to a lesser degree. It’s a fair argument and I’m not being facetious, I just don’t agree.

We should pick our strongest team and change to accommodate tiredness / tactics, not to “give ‘em a run”.

I accept the Coutts is an exceptional corcumstance mind, but I’d relentlessly stick to plan A.
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Definitely an exceptional case. I'm not suggesting doing anything that would harm our chances of getting results. But Coutts is a very good player who's more likely to help our chances if anything. There are times when Norwood's having a sloppy one where a like for like substitution would help us.
 
We need to let it go about Coutts. As wonderful as he was, he simply isn't the same player now due to a long period out of the game.
 
him behind you said:
We need to let it go about Coutts. As wonderful as he was, he simply isn't the same player now due to a long period out of the game.
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Pretty much what he was like when we first signed him. I wrote him off then. I won’t make that mistake again. He’s done when Wilder says he’s done.
 
Coutts of last season edges it as he brought defensive nouse and less errors in his passing.

Norwood has the greater range of passing (perhaps the best range of passing we have had for decades) but also you get more sloppy errors than Coutts and he’s not as good defensively.

However the choice at the moment is a no brainier Coutts has not recovered his Mobiity from the leg break and it’s debateable that he ever will.

Both at their best would be £6m pound players on current values.
 
knowsnowt said:
Coutts. Brings the best out of Fleck in a way that Norwood never will.
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Coutts suits certain games when we need to have more control in Midfield ( think how we struggled against Swansea) , Norwood suits other games when we need to get into the heart of the last third.

Wilder just needs to pick his games for each of them. Against the teams who will give us a challenge in midfield it`s Coutts everyday , when we have a midfield of a less competitive and creative nature then I would pick Norwood.

Glad we have both options.
 
Beans said:
Even making allowances for recency bias, Norwood is a bigger goal threat, creates more chances, and looks to be at least as good as Coutts was at passing the ball. Norwood's also good defensively (leads the team in both tackles and interceptions this season) and has ability with set-pieces.

We talk about his consistency a fair bit, but he's asked to do more things than Coutts was in terms of trying more difficult passes / take freekicks and corners etc. Sheer volume means that some of them aren't going to come off.

If the question was "who was / is most important to us" then I'd side with Coutts, especially knowing what happened when he got injured. As it's "who's better" though...
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What about asking the question which of Fleck & Coutts or Fleck & Norwood is better for the team?
 
Tough old poll is this. Slightly irrelevant as in the hear and now it is Norwood. Coutts might never rediscover that form from last season. Very unfortunate for him and us.

I voted Coutts as he seemed to be better at tackling and working the ball through midfield with Fleck, whereas Norwood seems to be more of a 1 man midfield player who dominates the ball, playing long and often losing it whereas Coutts rarely did. That said Norwood’s passing at times is very top level and his movement means we always have an out ball from defence. He also gets decent interceptions in but sometimes his pressing is totally at the wrong time.

Bit crucial at their respective times, evident by the fact we fell away when Coutts stopped playing and are still up there with Norwood in the team.

It’s basically 50/50 or flip a coin to decide.
 



I've always been a Coutts fan,right from when he first came,and he's been here longer than Norwood so contributed more...key in our promotion,and played well upto getting injured.
Having said that,and i said the same in another thread,Norwood has a better passing range,moves the ball quicker and carries more of a goal threat,better at set pieces,and is not that bad without the ball...often gets blocks and tackes in.
Where Coutts gets the ball off a defender facing his own goal...passes it off and receives it facing the other way and starts us off;and he was brilliant at that ...Norwood facing his own goal,gets the ball of a defender and often passes it off forwards first time...he just speeds things up for me...he makes mistakes because he see's so much of the ball and tried things...Love Coutts,but Norwood all day long for me.
 
Last season was LAST season - Norwood is this season, same as Hendo, McG and Egan.

We are stronger now for who we have and how we play - we've moved on.

CW said last season we were running on empty the evening we played Hull away - this is the main problem we have to solve now and hopefully the depth of squad strengthened in the JTW will solve that particular issue.

CW is doing exactly what he said he would do - drive the club forward and unfortunately fans favourites get overtaken by others.

UTB
 
BushBlade said:
What if the rhino had the axe and the crocodile had the club?

And .............what if it was in a deep river?
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That's really silly.

It's like saying Coutts with Norwood's long passing skills, or Ollie with Coutts ability to protect the back 3 with clever interceptions.

I voted Norwood originally but I'm coming round to a crow in a tree with a sub machine gun...
 
I should coco said:
That's really silly.

It's like saying Coutts with Norwood's long passing skills, or Ollie with Coutts ability to protect the back 3 with clever interceptions.

I voted Norwood originally but I'm coming round to a crow in a tree with a sub machine gun...
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Sounds Native American to me , not sure Wilder would go with this as he doesn`t like anyone people from other cultures. Read it on here so it must be true.
 
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Ricky said:
Coutts.

Stronger. More consistent. Better pass completion. Dispossessed less. More responsible. Drives with the ball. Better for Fleck.

If he's showing signs he can get back near that level, there's no way we should deprive him of opportunities and risk losing him.
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Pass completion is actually around 84% for both. Assists however, Coutts had zero last season and so far Norwood has 6.
 
Norwood has changed our tactics in how we break teams down. His diagnal balls move us up the pitch quicker and are sometimes just a delight to watch. I like how he keeps playing them and it doesn't phase him when some don't come off.
The downside is when he plays these balls it means Fleck is less effective.
Having said that, when he knocks one out to Stevens and he pints it in first time then it takes some defending against.

Norwood for me but still love Coutts.
 
Coutts everyday of the week, we were outstanding last season up to him getting injured. Coutts just needs a run in the team to get back to the levels of last season, look at Baldock he had a slow star when he got back in, now look at him, he's flying. What Coutts gives the team, and Fleck in particular, he should be the one in centre mid to make the team tick. Norwood's done alright at times, but he's too inconsistent, for every Hollywood pass that comes off, two end up in the South Stand, one in the John Street, a couple to the oppo goalkeeper or centre half.
 



LJBlade said:
Pass completion is actually around 84% for both. Assists however, Coutts had zero last season and so far Norwood has 6.
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Don't you dare bring facts in to this. Norwood's key passes (ie the ones that create chances and lead to good attacking play) are miles higher than Coutts. I sometimes think we get sentimental about Coutts, Norwood for me all day. One has 3 promotions to the premier league the other has 3 relegations to league 1 on their CV.
 
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