No approach made for O'driscoll!

[MobileBlade]

According to suntan man, the Yorkshire Post were going to print a retraction of yesterdays article.

Well, its still there. No retraction, and, in fact, reiterated with todays post:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sheffield-utd/Coppinger-is-keen-for-O39Driscoll.6668524.jp

 

[lenners]

you can take a horse to water.................

The point I'm making is that any contact with SOD by United would have to be an official approach.
There's no 'official, official' approach afterwards regarding 'can we now appoint him'.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The point I'm making is that any contact with SOD by United would have to be an official approach.
There's no 'official, official' approach afterwards regarding 'can we now appoint him'.

Not as I see it.

Fax from SUFC to DRFC - can we speak to your manager

after the appropriate time has elapsed for them to respond

JR - yes you can, announces it to the world

talks take place, SO'D agrees that he's interested in the job

SUFC - official approach made to DRFC including compo offer etc to take SO'D from Doncaster as our new manager

 

[lenners]

The second chat with the club would be about negotiating compo etc, it wouldn't be an official approach, ie one of the kind meant to deal with tapping up.
We're into the third week since we knew we would need a new manager and we think we need at least another two to find one?
If they really want SOD and have the means, why wait another four games? It doesnae make sense.

 

[bartman]

The second chat with the club would be about negotiating compo etc, it wouldn't be an official approach, ie one of the kind meant to deal with tapping up.
We're into the third week since we knew we would need a new manager and we think we need at least another two to find one?
If they really want SOD and have the means, why wait another four games? It doesnae make sense.

A bit of an exageration there,Lenners...Speed probably made his decision on the Sunday after the Barnsley game so I reckon that is 10 days

 

[lenners]

A bit of an exageration there,Lenners...Speed probably made his decision on the Sunday after the Barnsley game so I reckon that is 10 days

They'll have known before Barnsley. The players obviously did.
Whether the third week begins today or tomorrow, they've known a long time now.

 

[bartman]

They'll have known before Barnsley. The players obviously did.
Whether the third week begins today or tomorrow, they've known a long time now.

You made a quote earlier in this thread about why we get SOD straight away instead of waiting 4 games(we arer assuming we want SOD but no one really knows)

If Wales had wanted Speed for a long time,why didn't they get Speed straight away ? It works both ways.

IMO,if we are after SOD,the compo will be the sticking point and I would have thought Ryan wouldn't want SOD managing against Donny on 3rd Jan.

I just get the feeling that all this speculation is a bit of a smoke screen and we are really after someone else(Adams?) and he will be here in the next few days. Could John Ryan be spounting off like he is so it looks to the Donny fans he is fighting off the big nasty neighbours ?

Whilst I wouldn't mind SOD,there is a nagging doubt in my mind as to why not many clubs have gone for him over the last seasosn or so...are they worried that he can't attract high profile players ? Do clubs feel the initial downward spiral isn't worth it? Does SOD have a 'small club' mentality when he is interviewed and couldnt't cope with the demands of a larger club?

I agree with what Big Sam said in his interview,it's winning football that's important.......will SOD take us to a higher level or will his style of play(and possible lack of ability to attract high profile players) mean that we'll just be playing pretty football with no end product as we will keep conceeding goals?

 

[lenners]

Other clubs wouldn't have gone in for him because of his dull image, his mogadon murmuring etc.
Doesn't fit with the high-profile, media bollocks, talk a lot without ever saying anything approach to management.

Which is actually why SOD would do well to think long and hard if he gets the chance because as big an opportunity like this may well not come along again.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Other clubs wouldn't have gone in for him because of his dull image, his mogadon murmuring etc.
Doesn't fit with the high-profile, media bollocks, talk a lot without ever saying anything approach to management.

Which is actually why SOD would do well to think long and hard if he gets the chance because as big an opportunity like this may well not come along again.

I said this in another thread but he needs to come to a mid-sized club like us to further his career. No premiership club will look at him whilst he's the manager of Donny. If he wants to manage in the big time then he'll need a club like ours as a stepping stone.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why ? I don't think anyone from the club has said who is on the shortlist,who they have interviewed and they want ! What is there to explain?

Look at what he said we were aiming for and then put that against the others on the shortlist. There isn't another name in there that matches his criteria like SoD who matches all of it.
If we aren't looking at him then the club should say so rather than let this string on and on.

That said I think he is our main target, I'm just saying if he isn't then there is some explaining to do .

 

[lenners]

Look at what he said we were aiming for and then put that against the others on the shortlist. There isn't another name in there that matches his criteria like SoD who matches all of it.
If we aren't looking at him then the club should say so rather than let this string on and on.

That said I think he is our main target, I'm just saying if he isn't then there is some explaining to do .

On the money there Bob.
Not understanding why we announced we are setting aside the next four games before making an appointment, particularly when any new guy will be faced with coming in when the transfer window is already open.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

On the money there Bob.
Not understanding why we announced we are setting aside the next four games before making an appointment, particularly when any new guy will be faced with coming in when the transfer window is already open.

Assume for a moment that everyone involved knows the eventual outcome and everybody has made themselves comfortable barring a couple of points - e.g. O'Driscoll being happy that he's getting the right package and the right backing, Ryan that he can get a decent replacement and save face with the fans - why wouldn't a gentleman's agreement be struck to hold fire until we've played each other.

I'm not saying that this is the case - but deals are done all the time where all parties sit tight until the time is right for all parties concerned. A handy concession from Ryan might well have been that he'd let us talk if we'd hold off long enough to get his ducks in a row (including scoring some PR points with his home fans). From what I've heard of January transfers there isn't usually a protracted period of relationship building before a deal is struck, so it's unlikely that a huge amount of benefit would be gained from having Xmas week to get a head start with any prospects.

There's still every possibility that we could just be playing silly buggers though.

 

[sitwell]

Right on cue Doncasters shy and retiring chairman makes another statement to the press ,O'Driscoll is wanted by 2 other championship clubs. had this slipped his mind ,is he trying to drive the price up or is it because he's candid and doesn't like speaking to the press ?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Right on cue Doncasters shy and retiring chairman makes another statement to the press ,O'Driscoll is wanted by 2 other championship clubs. had this slipped his mind ,is he trying to drive the price up or is it because he's candid and doesn't like speaking to the press ?

I heard that. I used to quite like Jolly John. Now he's in danger of becoming a parody of himself

 

[lenners]

Right on cue Doncasters shy and retiring chairman makes another statement to the press ,O'Driscoll is wanted by 2 other championship clubs. had this slipped his mind ,is he trying to drive the price up or is it because he's candid and doesn't like speaking to the press ?

The problem is he could well be speaking from a position of strength and making a dithering SUFC board look pretty silly.
Not hard admittedly but a bit more positive publicity for Donny Rovers and fair game it seems to me.
At the moment, he looks pretty much in charge and we're looking like we don't really know what we're doing/hoping like hell Carver digs us out of a hole.

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Assume for a moment that everyone involved knows the eventual outcome and everybody has made themselves comfortable barring a couple of points - e.g. O'Driscoll being happy that he's getting the right package and the right backing, Ryan that he can get a decent replacement and save face with the fans - why wouldn't a gentleman's agreement be struck to hold fire until we've played each other.

I'm not saying that this is the case - but deals are done all the time where all parties sit tight until the time is right for all parties concerned. A handy concession from Ryan might well have been that he'd let us talk if we'd hold off long enough to get his ducks in a row (including scoring some PR points with his home fans). From what I've heard of January transfers there isn't usually a protracted period of relationship building before a deal is struck, so it's unlikely that a huge amount of benefit would be gained from having Xmas week to get a head start with any prospects.

There's still every possibility that we could just be playing silly buggers though.

Sincerely hope that isn't right. SUFC and DRFC should not be party to any kind of agreement like that when we're playing each other.
Remember how important we said integrity was in the game.

 

[raul]

One approach is only a tentative one from a club not too far away, who are keeping a close eye on what happens at WHU.....possibly. Dismissed it out of hand when I heard it last night, but the Jan deadline roughly equates to how long Average Grant has.

 

[beightonblade]

Is it only me that thinks this appointment will make or break United ?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Is it only me that thinks this appointment will make or break United ?

No its not, BB. I can't remember when an appointment needed to be got right more than this, apart from possibly Bassett. But it feeels like there's a lot more at stake with this one, it will either halt & hopefully reverse a huge decline, or it won't.

 

[cooperblade]

Not got it myself but someone on mad says this morning's times is reporting that we've got sod.

 

[Revolution]

No its not, BB. I can't remember when an appointment needed to be got right more than this, apart from possibly Bassett.

The post-Warnock appointment was more crucial, and of course was screwed up.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Is it only me that thinks this appointment will make or break United ?

The key thing is the mind set of the fans.

Adams [or Scott, Houghton etc] would go down well but I suspect their shelf life [like all managers] would be dependant on results.

SOD would be in a slightly different situation as I feel that his appointment would be taken on board by the fans as a bold statement by the club along the lines of 'we're trying to do it different and better'.

Consequently I feel his shelf life would be much longer, he’d have a couple of seasons at least before coming under any pressure [assumes not bottom three second season or no where near promotion second season should the worst happen first]. If the culture of the club changes and the under 30’s see what we saw in the 70;’s then the place will once more be rocking.

 

[Robbie]

Is it only me that thinks this appointment will make or break United ?

It may make it, but I don't see it breaking us.

 

[SwissBlade]

John Ryan on SS News now, said that SoD has had some talks with Sheffield United, but hopes that he stays because of how Ryan has backed him (signing Billy etc)
Compo would be significant, but Sheffield United are fully aware of that
If a deal was too tempting (for SoD and Compo) he would reluctantly let him go

Ryan also said, Sheffield United should also "get on with it one way or another"

Got to say, I like Ryan, he speaks openly, freely and with sense.

As i've said a few times - Go get him Birchy!!!

 

[Robbie]

Got to say, I like Ryan, he speaks openly, freely and with sense.

Sometimes this isn't the right way though, I don't see why he is talking to the press time after time after time and not really coming out with anything new.

 

[lenners]

Sometimes this isn't the right way though, I don't see why he is talking to the press time after time after time and not really coming out with anything new.

He's making our board and senior executives look like a bunch of dithering fools.
Fair play to him, he's right.
If we want SOD, stop fucking about, it's been long enough, get on with it.
If we don't want him, let's call it a draw and move on.
The whole New Year thing was idiotic in the first place, especially with the Jan 3 fixture involved.
Birch should have known a lot, lot better. Once again.

 

[Robbie]

He's making our board and senior executives look like a bunch of dithering fools.

Our board have stated their position, so from that view, we don't look to be dithering at all.

 

[bartman]

He's making our board and senior executives look like a bunch of dithering fools.
Fair play to him, he's right.
If we want SOD, stop fucking about, it's been long enough, get on with it.
If we don't want him, let's call it a draw and move on.
The whole New Year thing was idiotic in the first place, especially with the Jan 3 fixture involved.
Birch should have known a lot, lot better. Once again.

I think the key thing here is whether we want him...with the interviews we are obviusly having,is he the best man for the job? Surely the club are right to take a reasonable amount of time to explore the options.

I thought the club said on the o/s no appointment before Xmas...when was this extended until the New year ?

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't think Ryan's approach is wrong, I think he's letting his own fans know from the horses mouth, rather than letting the media twist it too much.

As for our approach, We seem to communicate when the time is right for the club, frustrates many, but its consistent.

However, I have to agree with Lenners and Ryan, Lets stop fucking about and get him in before tomorrow.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Yep, Ryan's been straight with the fans all along aside from the fact he said there'd been no approach yesterday

 

[beechblade]

He's making our board and senior executives look like a bunch of dithering fools.
Fair play to him, he's right.
If we want SOD, stop fucking about, it's been long enough, get on with it.
If we don't want him, let's call it a draw and move on.
The whole New Year thing was idiotic in the first place, especially with the Jan 3 fixture involved.
Birch should have known a lot, lot better. Once again.

They don't look like they're dithering at all, they look like for once they are making an informed decision on the future of the club, for once they seem to be doing it right, rather than jumping the gun.

Yesterday he said we hadn't made an approach, today he's changed his tune, he's making himself look like a petulant child, with all the press releases he keeps making, Ryan should stay stum on the matter now. All he had to say was:

'S'OD is free to talk to SUFC if he wishes to, but I'll be doing my best to keep him here, as I think he has an excellent future at DRFC. If he does so choose to leave for SUFC, then SUFC will have to pay the right ammount of Compensation.'

End of, not none of this tittle tackle everyday he keeps coming out with.