Nigel Adkins team........"Where Are They Now?"

[Ecco1889]

Weir was the worst

Think we were a bit hasty getting rid of Weir

 

[BigBed]

Just spotted this on Youtube, apologies if it has been posted already. Might pass a few minutes, while we are stuck at home.

They'll never find Hammond, hide-n-seek champion 26yrs running!

 

[Balham]

Weir was the worst

Statistically. Micky Adams will always hold that position as far as I'm concerned though - his record for his 24 games in charge - more than half a season - was W4, D5, L15, F24, A48 and his win ratio was boosted by two wins in the last 4 games, by which stage we were bottom and virtually down. We were an ill-disciplined, naive, tactically deficient mess.

Don't forget Adams had effectively the same side as Wilson did when he got to 90 points the following season.

 

[pommpey]

Spot on. I'm getting sick of the McCabe bashing. He's been a good chairman for the most part, he made mistakes but paid for them himself.

Really? Mind you, if he's made the fuck ups, who do you expect should pay for them? While we are on the subject, who else is culpable for our stagnation as a football team and who also should pick up the tab? I mean, he owned much of what the football club was and decided to de-invest in the playing staff at the expense of ground upgrades and hotels. Are you saying the supporters ducked out of a commitment they had no say in? Ask them if they'd either want a replacement for Collins and McEveley or a new part-plastic pitch on which even teams like Shrewsbury would enjoy playing 'fast, attacking football' on ... and bum us flipside and endwards.

Yes we were in League 1 for 6 years under his tenure

Well observed.

Oh, there a ...

but he provided resource, the managers picked the team. He must have been as exasperated as the rest of us at times.

WHAT? I mean What?

Resource?

Here's some headlines:

2006-07 Premier League

In - Leigertwood £600k, Sommeill Free, Davis £3m, Nade ?, Li Tie ?, Hulse £2.2m, Bennett ?, CKR £150k, Gerrard Free, Kilgallon £1.75m, Stead £750k, Seck Free, Shelton £2m, Fahty £700k

Fucking world beating PL side, is that. None of them tore up any trees, did they?

Since relegation, here's the great news

Most every piece of ability we owned, Brown, Tonge, Walker, Naughton, Williamson, Ward, Lowton, Bartley, Blackman, Maguire, McDonald, Murphy, Calvert Lewin ... all flogged, usually on 'undiscloseds' (although we could guess the fee was piss poor). In their places ... fuck me where to being with the litany of shit players the eight or so managers were forced into signing out of frustration. It's one thing being taken on to manage a big city club with a name and pedigree for passion. It's another going away to Portsmouth and getting rammed 3-0 by a team more decimated than yours with a team so fucking disconnected and rudderless that even the Mushers couldn't fucking believe it how shit we actually were. It's also another thing scraping through to the L1 playoffs and playing a sterile 120 minutes without an attacker to speak of and losing even though you were ahead on penalties. AND ... allowing the pigs to overhaul us in the run in.

Yeah, 'resource'. The only big signing he made was a dubious, crowd-feeding John Brayford, who couldn't hold the flaccid team aloft. McCabe financed some shit bargain basement buys and imagined they just have to do. Let's not go near Woolford and Sammon. Let's look at the fifty or sixty other players in the past ten years for whom Deadbat has had a fucking right job even giving a 2/10. McMahon, McEveley, Flynn, Baxter, Collins, Higdon, Miller, Robson, Brandy, Kitson ...

He rolled the dice with the Prince and lost,

Thank fuck. I think there were a few of us who imagined, but didn't actually imagine, this outcome whereby HRH would basically muscle him out of the door. Let's face it, if he was the fucking diamond-eyed business motherfucker many of you had us believe he was, he'd have seen the Prince's movements from a mile off. INstead he shook on a quid deal, and ended up with his gear in a bin bag in the Cherry Street car park. A fucking fitting tribute to over a decade of decay at one of the nations top twenty football clubs, methinks.

and it all got snarky at the end, but I never thought we would ever be in financial difficulties whilst he was chairman, and we have had a few chairmen in the past you couldn't say that about.

Really? Maybe it's because he'd sell the footballing ability at the club to keep it just buoyant, buoyant enough to one day flog of to a schmuck investor, along with bits of the club only he decided to flog from the complex, interlocking empire he'd woven. As long as he was in control, as long as he's wearing the SUFC tie, as long as his name is at Companies House, who gives a fat fuck about those daft cunts who shell out their hard earned to see us finish eleventh in the third tier? He could always thow Adkins and Clough (and anyone else) to the hounds and pay them off (of course, from 'his own pocket') to keep their gobs shut. No one still knows why Wilson went. Nor Clough. No one knows exactly what was promised and what materialised to strengthen the squad and no one knows the conversation and decision path regarding player sales.

Some of the rubbish Clough signed, and Adkins inherited but didn't deal with, wasn't the chairmans fault.

So whose was it, then? Clough took over a squad stripped of McDonald and still weak from the previous season's capitulation to fucking Yeovil Town. We'd never gain the horsepower after Wier's crap start to make it believable we were contenders, even with the FA Cup run. Clough only signed what he could sign. I mean we had it all didn't we? 'Think Liverpool', some ex-football hooligan on the payroll and 'Game Changing Investments', all some or other way under the stewardship of McCabe.

It needed the clear vision CW brought to sort it, but CW was slightly fortunate as lots of contracts were ending for the poor players, so they could be moved on. He still needed to sort Hammond out though, which was an Adkins legacy.

No. If you're a gambling man, you'd shake the dice enough times and a six would come up somewhere along the way. McCabe lucked out, and it eventually killed him with success. Fortunately he'd still got some of the most long-suffering and strangely forgiving supporters in the land and it seemed even he was baulking at bringing Wilder in at first. Makes me wonder what the fuck he'd promised him, that he'd already bullshittted every other manager in the past and still sold their onfield talent at the expense of shit players. It was only a matter of time before we got someone like Wilder and let's face it, it took him a couple of games and his afterburner was lit. Without HRH, do you REALLY think we'd be where we are now, or do you think alone, McCabe would have haxed our progress and flogged players back in the Championship? At one stage I could see Duffy going, possibly anyone else whom Wilder had forged from steel with his bare hands whilst Knill blew the bellows.

McCabe = long gone and never missed. He isn't blameless and he isn't a hero. He is just part of an ongoing malaise which has sicked this brilliant club. We now are better, in remission and looking forward to a better life.

pommpey

 

[Harry's Game]

I’m not sure which rings louder,

Pompey‘s McCabe alarm or FM Blades Ched alarm.

 

[pommpey]

I’m not sure which rings louder,

Pompey‘s McCabe alarm or FM Blades Ched alarm.

Oh, it fucking galls me that despite all the shit over the past fifteen years, despite the magic over the last three, there is still a hardcore, determined fanclub of McCabe who still won't have it how badly he kept us where we were, and not where we should be.

His demise and our current position should surely inform them on all they need to know.

But it won't. They'll still keep chanting his name.

pommpey

 

[Bladesman]

Oh, it fucking galls me that despite all the shit over the past fifteen years, despite the magic over the last three, there is still a hardcore, determined fanclub of McCabe who still won't have it how badly he kept us where we were, and not where we should be.

His demise and our current position should surely inform them on all they need to know.

But it won't. They'll still keep chanting his name.

pommpey

I don't think McCabe is anywhere near as liked as you think he might be. The court case burned a lot of bridges with fans that had a lot of respect for him.

If there is a fan club for Kevin then they would fit in the John Street corner stand with seats to spare I reckon.

 

[BettingBlade]

I don't think McCabe is anywhere near as liked as you think he might be. The court case burned a lot of bridges with fans that had a lot of respect for him.

If there is a fan club for Kevin then they would fit in the John Street corner stand with seats to spare I reckon.

Before the case I was firmly in the camp of cut McCabe some slack but I think after seeing what happened in court and then seeing what has happened over the last 12 months has confirmed to me that we are in far better hands now than we were.

I know being in the Premier League will have helped but the progression we have made off the pitch over the last 12 months, in terms of fan engagement, progressive scouting, ground improvements and a raft of new ideas waiting to be implemented is absolutely unreal.

I think McCabe kept us afloat in our darkest years but I believe he had to go to really take the club to the next level. It seemed like a bit of a shithouse move by the Prince at first but by the sounds of it, it’s not a move he would have wanted to make and it’s not a decision he would have took lightly. I also think ultimately, McCabe only has himself to blame. Surely it’s obvious that he should keep a majority share in the event that he only hands the reigns over when he’s ready to step down.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Really? Mind you, if he's made the fuck ups, who do you expect should pay for them? While we are on the subject, who else is culpable for our stagnation as a football team and who also should pick up the tab? I mean, he owned much of what the football club was and decided to de-invest in the playing staff at the expense of ground upgrades and hotels. Are you saying the supporters ducked out of a commitment they had no say in? Ask them if they'd either want a replacement for Collins and McEveley or a new part-plastic pitch on which even teams like Shrewsbury would enjoy playing 'fast, attacking football' on ... and bum us flipside and endwards.



Well observed.

Oh, there a ...



WHAT? I mean What?

Resource?

Here's some headlines:

2006-07 Premier League

In - Leigertwood £600k, Sommeill Free, Davis £3m, Nade ?, Li Tie ?, Hulse £2.2m, Bennett ?, CKR £150k, Gerrard Free, Kilgallon £1.75m, Stead £750k, Seck Free, Shelton £2m, Fahty £700k

Fucking world beating PL side, is that. None of them tore up any trees, did they?

Since relegation, here's the great news

Most every piece of ability we owned, Brown, Tonge, Walker, Naughton, Williamson, Ward, Lowton, Bartley, Blackman, Maguire, McDonald, Murphy, Calvert Lewin ... all flogged, usually on 'undiscloseds' (although we could guess the fee was piss poor). In their places ... fuck me where to being with the litany of shit players the eight or so managers were forced into signing out of frustration. It's one thing being taken on to manage a big city club with a name and pedigree for passion. It's another going away to Portsmouth and getting rammed 3-0 by a team more decimated than yours with a team so fucking disconnected and rudderless that even the Mushers couldn't fucking believe it how shit we actually were. It's also another thing scraping through to the L1 playoffs and playing a sterile 120 minutes without an attacker to speak of and losing even though you were ahead on penalties. AND ... allowing the pigs to overhaul us in the run in.

Yeah, 'resource'. The only big signing he made was a dubious, crowd-feeding John Brayford, who couldn't hold the flaccid team aloft. McCabe financed some shit bargain basement buys and imagined they just have to do. Let's not go near Woolford and Sammon. Let's look at the fifty or sixty other players in the past ten years for whom Deadbat has had a fucking right job even giving a 2/10. McMahon, McEveley, Flynn, Baxter, Collins, Higdon, Miller, Robson, Brandy, Kitson ...



Thank fuck. I think there were a few of us who imagined, but didn't actually imagine, this outcome whereby HRH would basically muscle him out of the door. Let's face it, if he was the fucking diamond-eyed business motherfucker many of you had us believe he was, he'd have seen the Prince's movements from a mile off. INstead he shook on a quid deal, and ended up with his gear in a bin bag in the Cherry Street car park. A fucking fitting tribute to over a decade of decay at one of the nations top twenty football clubs, methinks.



Really? Maybe it's because he'd sell the footballing ability at the club to keep it just buoyant, buoyant enough to one day flog of to a schmuck investor, along with bits of the club only he decided to flog from the complex, interlocking empire he'd woven. As long as he was in control, as long as he's wearing the SUFC tie, as long as his name is at Companies House, who gives a fat fuck about those daft cunts who shell out their hard earned to see us finish eleventh in the third tier? He could always thow Adkins and Clough (and anyone else) to the hounds and pay them off (of course, from 'his own pocket') to keep their gobs shut. No one still knows why Wilson went. Nor Clough. No one knows exactly what was promised and what materialised to strengthen the squad and no one knows the conversation and decision path regarding player sales.



So whose was it, then? Clough took over a squad stripped of McDonald and still weak from the previous season's capitulation to fucking Yeovil Town. We'd never gain the horsepower after Wier's crap start to make it believable we were contenders, even with the FA Cup run. Clough only signed what he could sign. I mean we had it all didn't we? 'Think Liverpool', some ex-football hooligan on the payroll and 'Game Changing Investments', all some or other way under the stewardship of McCabe.



No. If you're a gambling man, you'd shake the dice enough times and a six would come up somewhere along the way. McCabe lucked out, and it eventually killed him with success. Fortunately he'd still got some of the most long-suffering and strangely forgiving supporters in the land and it seemed even he was baulking at bringing Wilder in at first. Makes me wonder what the fuck he'd promised him, that he'd already bullshittted every other manager in the past and still sold their onfield talent at the expense of shit players. It was only a matter of time before we got someone like Wilder and let's face it, it took him a couple of games and his afterburner was lit. Without HRH, do you REALLY think we'd be where we are now, or do you think alone, McCabe would have haxed our progress and flogged players back in the Championship? At one stage I could see Duffy going, possibly anyone else whom Wilder had forged from steel with his bare hands whilst Knill blew the bellows.

McCabe = long gone and never missed. He isn't blameless and he isn't a hero. He is just part of an ongoing malaise which has sicked this brilliant club. We now are better, in remission and looking forward to a better life.

pommpey

Firstly, I agree, I went to Portsmouth away, and it was one of the lamest Utd performances I can recall. Nice sunny day though, I went to sleep in the 2nd half.

Secondly, I've worked out your agenda;

When McCabe was Chairman

If it was bad - it was McCabes fault

If it was indifferent - it was McCabes fault

If it was good - it wasn't down to McCabe it was down to luck

Anything bad/ indifferent that happens in the future - is a legacy of McCabe

You quote all the facts you want, out of context, and omit anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

You'll be surprised to hear I don't agree with most of what you say, but it's not worth debating with you, as your views are so one sided you've become a zealot.

 

[S40BLADE]

Really? Mind you, if he's made the fuck ups, who do you expect should pay for them? While we are on the subject, who else is culpable for our stagnation as a football team and who also should pick up the tab? I mean, he owned much of what the football club was and decided to de-invest in the playing staff at the expense of ground upgrades and hotels. Are you saying the supporters ducked out of a commitment they had no say in? Ask them if they'd either want a replacement for Collins and McEveley or a new part-plastic pitch on which even teams like Shrewsbury would enjoy playing 'fast, attacking football' on ... and bum us flipside and endwards.



Well observed.

Oh, there a ...



WHAT? I mean What?

Resource?

Here's some headlines:

2006-07 Premier League

In - Leigertwood £600k, Sommeill Free, Davis £3m, Nade ?, Li Tie ?, Hulse £2.2m, Bennett ?, CKR £150k, Gerrard Free, Kilgallon £1.75m, Stead £750k, Seck Free, Shelton £2m, Fahty £700k

Fucking world beating PL side, is that. None of them tore up any trees, did they?

Since relegation, here's the great news

Most every piece of ability we owned, Brown, Tonge, Walker, Naughton, Williamson, Ward, Lowton, Bartley, Blackman, Maguire, McDonald, Murphy, Calvert Lewin ... all flogged, usually on 'undiscloseds' (although we could guess the fee was piss poor). In their places ... fuck me where to being with the litany of shit players the eight or so managers were forced into signing out of frustration. It's one thing being taken on to manage a big city club with a name and pedigree for passion. It's another going away to Portsmouth and getting rammed 3-0 by a team more decimated than yours with a team so fucking disconnected and rudderless that even the Mushers couldn't fucking believe it how shit we actually were. It's also another thing scraping through to the L1 playoffs and playing a sterile 120 minutes without an attacker to speak of and losing even though you were ahead on penalties. AND ... allowing the pigs to overhaul us in the run in.

Yeah, 'resource'. The only big signing he made was a dubious, crowd-feeding John Brayford, who couldn't hold the flaccid team aloft. McCabe financed some shit bargain basement buys and imagined they just have to do. Let's not go near Woolford and Sammon. Let's look at the fifty or sixty other players in the past ten years for whom Deadbat has had a fucking right job even giving a 2/10. McMahon, McEveley, Flynn, Baxter, Collins, Higdon, Miller, Robson, Brandy, Kitson ...



Thank fuck. I think there were a few of us who imagined, but didn't actually imagine, this outcome whereby HRH would basically muscle him out of the door. Let's face it, if he was the fucking diamond-eyed business motherfucker many of you had us believe he was, he'd have seen the Prince's movements from a mile off. INstead he shook on a quid deal, and ended up with his gear in a bin bag in the Cherry Street car park. A fucking fitting tribute to over a decade of decay at one of the nations top twenty football clubs, methinks.



Really? Maybe it's because he'd sell the footballing ability at the club to keep it just buoyant, buoyant enough to one day flog of to a schmuck investor, along with bits of the club only he decided to flog from the complex, interlocking empire he'd woven. As long as he was in control, as long as he's wearing the SUFC tie, as long as his name is at Companies House, who gives a fat fuck about those daft cunts who shell out their hard earned to see us finish eleventh in the third tier? He could always thow Adkins and Clough (and anyone else) to the hounds and pay them off (of course, from 'his own pocket') to keep their gobs shut. No one still knows why Wilson went. Nor Clough. No one knows exactly what was promised and what materialised to strengthen the squad and no one knows the conversation and decision path regarding player sales.



So whose was it, then? Clough took over a squad stripped of McDonald and still weak from the previous season's capitulation to fucking Yeovil Town. We'd never gain the horsepower after Wier's crap start to make it believable we were contenders, even with the FA Cup run. Clough only signed what he could sign. I mean we had it all didn't we? 'Think Liverpool', some ex-football hooligan on the payroll and 'Game Changing Investments', all some or other way under the stewardship of McCabe.



No. If you're a gambling man, you'd shake the dice enough times and a six would come up somewhere along the way. McCabe lucked out, and it eventually killed him with success. Fortunately he'd still got some of the most long-suffering and strangely forgiving supporters in the land and it seemed even he was baulking at bringing Wilder in at first. Makes me wonder what the fuck he'd promised him, that he'd already bullshittted every other manager in the past and still sold their onfield talent at the expense of shit players. It was only a matter of time before we got someone like Wilder and let's face it, it took him a couple of games and his afterburner was lit. Without HRH, do you REALLY think we'd be where we are now, or do you think alone, McCabe would have haxed our progress and flogged players back in the Championship? At one stage I could see Duffy going, possibly anyone else whom Wilder had forged from steel with his bare hands whilst Knill blew the bellows.

McCabe = long gone and never missed. He isn't blameless and he isn't a hero. He is just part of an ongoing malaise which has sicked this brilliant club. We now are better, in remission and looking forward to a better life.

pommpey

We've had a couple disagreements in the past but credit where credit is due this is my favourite post I have ever seen on this forum. ⚔

 

[S64 Blade]

Don't forget Adams had effectively the same side as Wilson did when he got to 90 points the following season.

...In the league below. Yeah great argument

 

[Balham]

...In the league below. Yeah great argument

We were in that league because Adams got us relegated. Thanks for your insightful input

 

[pommpey]

Firstly, I agree, I went to Portsmouth away, and it was one of the lamest Utd performances I can recall. Nice sunny day though, I went to sleep in the 2nd half.

It wasn't just 'lame'. It was as though the players had just given up as it was a nice day and they were down by the seaside. My write up elsewhere stands testimony.

Secondly, I've worked out your agenda;

Rather than McCabe's agenda. It is him were are talking about here, not me.

When McCabe was Chairman

If it was bad - it was McCabes fault

If it was indifferent - it was McCabes fault

If it was good - it wasn't down to McCabe it was down to luck

Anything bad/ indifferent that happens in the future - is a legacy of McCabe

So who do you think, in the larger aspect of professional responsibility, takes the can for successes and failures? Since relegation from the PL, the only three consistent aspect of Sheffield United (apart from the cutlasses and the rose) has been Bramall Lane, the supporters and ... Kevin McCabe. During that time we've dropped to mid table in the third tier and failed consistently to actually achieve anything ... until after a series of frankly stupid managerial appointments and broken promises (both to mangers and to fans) his dice finally landed six-side-upwards. Watch closely how this works now: we fall under the footballing management of a pair of mercurial geniuses who not only change attitudes and outputs of present players (tell me Bash is the same player today he was in Div 1 - go on, I dare you) but adds to that and crafts a team which bursts out of it's Division One prison first time and in two more seasons leaps out of the Championship ... I'll keep going ... and anchors itself in the high, nosebleedy areas of the Premier League. Suddenly also ... people like us (first time I have experienced that in over fifty years of supporting SUFC)

Tell me what McCabe did to enable that? He'd already brought HRH in during Wier, so you can't say that was an astute business decision. We were - at that particular time - looking like being relegated further given our dismal form and team content. So tell me - what exactly did HRH see in a basket case football club, anchored at the foot of the third tier of English football, with a record of selling its talent, failing at the big moment and a faithful, but pissed off fanbase? Do you think he saw an opportunity? Do you think that as time wore on inexorably through a few more managers that with McCabe out of the way and the right manager, some astute signings and a change in the on field structure might just fill Bramall Lane again and catapult us up the leagues? Whoda fucking thought it? Eh?

Like it or not, we had scant return from McCabe's tenure in any of the top roles he restructured for himself and his family, whilst he locked the club up with the laminate layers of his business interests. No wonder no one wanted to come in and take over. They'd never wrest the club - wholly - from his vice like grip. He's like a fucking verruca. Unless you dig the fucking roots out, it's still there on your foot even when you think you've frozen the twat and it's fell off

You quote all the facts you want, out of context, and omit anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

Tell me where they are 'out of context'? Facts are facts - they are all there. I haven't made any of our signings or sellings up. What do you want that is further 'in context'? Our eight losses at home on the 'fast, attacking football' Desso pitch? They won't change you know, not in goals conceded nor in outcome. What about our consistent lack of a solid back four for about three seasons (whilst selling Maguire at the same time) and players like Craig Alcock and Jay McEveley alongside giants of the game like Neill Collins allowing opposition attackers to drift effortlessly and unchallenged into the 18 yard box and sink us without trace? Do you want me to quote more journeyman, makeweight players to which I don't doubt you'd shake your head and say 'fuck me, he was bad' to emphasise what a state the team was in? Go back over these forums, why don't you? Almost ever week there's an entertaining thread of the like 'Shit players we've had who'd never make a school side' and look at the names people dig up. We signed them. Do you really think the managers made a conscious decision to bring in dogshit when in truth, the options from the boardroom were limited to 'sorry ... buy cheap, bring in loanees, can't you find anyone out of contract' ... this whilst the Bramall Lane seat blocks were still fairly full and season tickets selling well.

I am not the one with the agenda here. It seems there was however an agenda to sustain or position at such a neutral buoyancy that instead of rising to the surface, we'd be trapped forever in the middle of the body of water. It was only when incidents like Ched Evans, the lap of shame and our consistent play off failures started to bite deep that McCabe was forced to make token gestures ('Game Changing Investments, sullen interviews and season ticket discounts) to keep everyone sweet. It almost seemed like he was waiting for the HRH moment - sit tight on a potential gold mine - large city club with decent fanbase, city centre location and real estate, multi-faceted and multi-layers business model with huge complexity to finally own it (so predictably more value as the layers are bought out) and a team of cloggers and chimp managers signed and sacked as soon as the cold-water of realisation drops on their heads. Who has the agenda?

You'll be surprised to hear I don't agree with most of what you say, but it's not worth debating with you, as your views are so one sided you've become a zealot.

But, you've had your say anyway, regardless of it not being worth it. And, predictably on here, it's 'play the player' not the ball. I am an observer and football supporter, not the ex-Chairman of a football club (which is what the subject is here). If you want, come up with a counter argument instead of shit slinging.

pommpey

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Nigel Adkins, the worst thing to happen to SUFC for 100 years.

Are you forgetting Micky (Arms Folded) Adams.

 

[I should coco]

When McCabe was Chairman

If it was bad - it was McCabes fault

If it was indifferent - it was McCabes fault

If it was good - it wasn't down to McCabe it was down to luck

Anything bad/ indifferent that happens in the future - is a legacy of McCabe

After McDonald sold Deane/Fjiortoft/Hutchinson/Ward etc etc and took his ball back home, there wasn't a long queue of local millionaires prepared to chuck £2-3m away every year to cover losses. I'm sure KM didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart so maybe the property/profile angle was an incentive too. That said, without him we'd have been in administration. Possibly several times.

He worked with Warnock in the dark days of 2000 - 2006, selling what few assets we had but building up a new academy in the process. Oh, and he continued to bankroll the losses too, with guarantees and loans from his Scarborough Group.

If you don't like any of the above, just deny it. Claim there were loads of other better richer people all wanting to put millions in the club. Under no circumstances give KM any credit, as it looks like a sign of weakness.

Oh and if anyone challenges you, call them a troll or accuse them of 'playing the man'.

 

[S64 Blade]

We were in that league because Adams got us relegated. Thanks for your insightful input

He did, but let's face it, we were already doomed long before Adams took over. Our recruitment over the previous couple of years had been abysmal. Blackwell had instilled his cloud of doom over the club, nobody really wanted to be there, we had too many loan players and too many on large contracts.

Our key players in the first League One season were probably; Lowton, Maguire, Williamson, Quinn, McDonald and Evans.

Lowton had had a full season under him in the Championship, but only started to look like a quality player once we were in League One - I'm sure the poorer opposition helped his development and confidence.

Maguire barely played in the relegation season.

McDonald only joined us in League One and Ched had the best season of his life in League One - never came close before, or obviously after.

Williamson and Quinn did play in the Championship, but like Ched, seemed more accustomed to League 1 (for us).

 

[GrayBlade]

Weir was the worst

Statistically I agree Silent, but when you think of the comparative money that was thrown at Robson and what he actually did and left us with my nod goes to him mate.

 

[Badger Blade]

From relegation from the Premier League to Adkins, the club had figuratively speaking become a game of Jenga where the bricks were slowly getting removed, it wasn't smashed in one fell swoop like Bolton/Portsmouth/Bury. As much as McCabe kept the tower standing which to some extent is to be applauded, it continued to teeter more and more because of the decisions that he made, pissing parachute money away on Robson and having to penny pinch with Blackwell and everyone else since which exacerbated the decline. Wilder sat through all this as a supporter himself so knew exactly what needed doing to fix it.

McCabe is a property tycoon with an interest in football, we needed a football man with an interest in property. Football is a business but there's more than just a balance sheet to it, this football club and all the others down to the conference and beyond are more than that, they are an integral part of many people's lives. Its the only business and brand that people have an almost unwavering loyalty to and for something that means a lot to us all to be run to the ground with one person at the helm is going to hurt and McCabe is the man who oversaw that so will understandably get the stick for it, he got in too deep and couldn't find a way out of the mess he'd created.

For some, he is applauded for preventing us from being a Bolton Wanderers, for others he presided over us plunging to depths that some of us (myself included) had never seen before, it's a case of what your individual expectations are. Perspectivewise, at least we had someone to support but flip it over, did we want to spend 6 years watching the likes of Neill Collins, Michael Doyle, Jay McEveley and co every week re enacting some kind of footballing Benny Hill sketch, absolutely not

 

[pommpey]

After McDonald sold Deane/Fjiortoft/Hutchinson/Ward etc etc and took his ball back home, there wasn't a long queue of local millionaires prepared to chuck £2-3m away every year to cover losses. I'm sure KM didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart so maybe the property/profile angle was an incentive too. That said, without him we'd have been in administration. Possibly several times.

You say that with such certainty, but again with absolutely no proof whatsover. It's a typical false equivalence fallacy, as if the only choice was McCabe or bust. How do you know our outcomes wouldn't have been better or worse? We are discussing the actions of one person here, not a myriad of predicted trajectories. If we are playing that game, what is wrong with me postulating the same outcome as Man City? At one stage, they were in Division One and out of anyone's game, just like us.

He worked with Warnock in the dark days of 2000 - 2006, selling what few assets we had but building up a new academy in the process. Oh, and he continued to bankroll the losses too, with guarantees and loans from his Scarborough Group.

Dark days? I seem to recall that 2002-03 was a particularly bright spot in our existence where although we won jack shit, Warnock and the team, made two semi finals and a playoff final with a team like Wilder's, who looked capable and hungry for it. We stayed consistent and finally managed to get over the line three years later, only for us to be woefully undergunned for the top flight. Take a look at who we brought in for the top flight that brief season and tell me that once we'd lost our main striker, we were still able to endure.

And as for 'bankrolling the losses' as you succinctly put it - you make it sound like its someone else's liability than McCabe's and he was like some kindly uncle pulling a wad of tenners out of his back pocket to bail a naughty family member out of a booze/drugs/gambling debt. He owned the fucking company he was bailing out, he made the decisions which caused the debt. All the fans did was turn up, buy a ticket and pies and sing and cheer. If you are trying to convince us he was doing it for the fans then I reject that. His investment is threatened. Its simply buried costs.

If you don't like any of the above, just deny it. Claim there were loads of other better richer people all wanting to put millions in the club. Under no circumstances give KM any credit, as it looks like a sign of weakness.

Or better still refute it. There is a difference between refuting and denying. For example, you deny McCabe is culpable for anything on his watch. I refute that and have given you my proof of my line of thought. You still maintain he is a wronged saint, yet he still has ambitions to piss in the fuel tank and shit in the glove box, rather than take the money and fuck off. You have constantly maintained he is some magnanimous entity of worship yet I have offered proven stagnation in playing staff quality, results and league position. I have also shown you some of the breathtakingly stupid decisions he has made and yet still, he can do no wrong

Oh and if anyone challenges you, call them a troll or accuse them of 'playing the man'.

Just as a reminder, it was you who called me a troll, and it is you still playing the man.

pommpey

 

[BladeFisher]

Nigel Adkins, the worst thing to happen to SUFC for 100 years.

No chance. That's a toss up between Chairman Hassle and managers Adrian Heath and David Weir.

 

[skyjam]

Oi pommpey could ya come over here and run for president please?

 

[kevreedy]

Maybe Mccabe did stop us going into admin. That did not help Ched Evans getting accused of wrongdoing and eventually quite rightly was cleared.
We must be the only club in the world that missed a guaranteed promotion due to losing a player in those circumstances.in the history of football even.
However, he made many mistakes by appointing the wrong managers. He brought the prince to the Club and it backfired eventually on him.
He has turned out to be a mardy arse.regarding the property, etc.he must have got £70m at least.and he already had million anyway. pure greed.in my opinion.
this is my humble opinion.people may disagree. one thing for sure we have a fantastic manager and some great players. and we are the best team in Yorkshire.

 

[kevreedy]

And we are Premier League...

 

[BushBlade]

After McDonald sold Deane/Fjiortoft/Hutchinson/Ward etc etc and took his ball back home, there wasn't a long queue of local millionaires prepared to chuck £2-3m away every year to cover losses. I'm sure KM didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart so maybe the property/profile angle was an incentive too. That said, without him we'd have been in administration. Possibly several times.

He worked with Warnock in the dark days of 2000 - 2006, selling what few assets we had but building up a new academy in the process. Oh, and he continued to bankroll the losses too, with guarantees and loans from his Scarborough Group.

If you don't like any of the above, just deny it. Claim there were loads of other better richer people all wanting to put millions in the club. Under no circumstances give KM any credit, as it looks like a sign of weakness.

Oh and if anyone challenges you, call them a troll or accuse them of 'playing the man'.

It wouldn’t have mattered if we went into administration. We’d have just got different owners and carried on. We wouldn’t have gone bankrupt, we’re too big. We wouldn’t have even got a points deduction in those days.

When we were relegated under Warnock, he made a big show of how we were financially stable and a well run club. Within three seasons we were losing money like a pissed gambler who’s nicked a wallet from a coat in the pub. Without Dooley and Warnock, he was lost, making bad decision after bad decision.

I cut him some slack after a couple of seasons in L1 because it appeared he was putting his wallet where his gob was and sucking up the huge losses incurred under his stewardship. Since the court case it seems that he wasn’t sucking up the losses, he was scheming to try to recover all his losses on the back of someone else’s investment. He thought he’d found a mug he could fleece (and so did I initially) but he couldn’t even do that properly. He entered into a deal with a hole in the contract so big Didsy could hit a shot through it.

I’m glad he’s gone. Whilst you can’t lay every single one of our problems directly at his feet, he was the person of ultimate responsibility. The buck stopped with him and everything following our relegation was a shitshow.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Statistically. Micky Adams will always hold that position as far as I'm concerned though - his record for his 24 games in charge - more than half a season - was W4, D5, L15, F24, A48 and his win ratio was boosted by two wins in the last 4 games, by which stage we were bottom and virtually down. We were an ill-disciplined, naive, tactically deficient mess.

Don't forget Adams had effectively the same side as Wilson did when he got to 90 points the following season.

Are you forgetting Micky (Arms Folded) Adams.

Weir was useless, but at least he had progressive ideas and did his (limited) best to get us playing.

Adams, on the other hand, was a third division Blackwell ... to Blackwell’s third division Warnock. Utterly lacking in any kind of sophistication or nuance, particularly away from home, where the “tactic” of preference was just to launch it as high and far as possible from our own 18 yard line.

Utterly fucking useless. Away game memries from that season are among my very worst, ever.

Horrible.

 

[1973Blade]

Ten years ago today the Adkins era (error?) began as he was announced our manager. I did have high hopes given his previous record at Scunthorpe and Southampton. We do need to remember the debt we owe Wilder for getting us out of that mess

 

[Peezablade]

Can we have Pommpey back soon pls?

 

[loyalblade95]

Ten years ago today the Adkins era (error?) began as he was announced our manager. I did have high hopes given his previous record at Scunthorpe and Southampton. We do need to remember the debt we owe Wilder for getting us out of that mess

Probably the worst/most hostile atmosphere I've ever seen on the last day of the season at the Lane (maybe even the most hostile atmosphere of any game at the Lane I've ever seen), that last game against Scunthorpe that season.

As horrible as it was seeing us getting slapped around in the PL 23/24, that 15/16 season was the worst season ever.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

As bad as the Adkins era was, he left us with a prime Billy Sharp, Chris Basham & Paul Coutts - something all of us should be thankful for.

 

[Bladesman]

As bad as the Adkins era was, he left us with a prime Billy Sharp, Chris Basham & Paul Coutts - something all of us should be thankful for.

True but it was Clough who signed Basham and Coutts.