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[Bladesman]

Brighton, brentford, bournemouth, leicester, wolves, fulham they have all managed to get a foothold in this league and compete with the big boys. Some of them have spent more than others to get here. IMO they all have been successful because they have signed good players and have a footballing culture. Their philosophy and culture came before their success.

I really couldn’t tell you what our footballing identity is right now. Park the bus and hit and hope…

Some of them breached FFP to do so and I think all of them have billionaire owners.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Brighton, brentford, bournemouth, leicester, wolves, fulham they have all managed to get a foothold in this league and compete with the big boys. Some of them have spent more than others to get here. IMO they all have been successful because they have signed good players and have a footballing culture. Their philosophy and culture came before their success.

I really couldn’t tell you what our footballing identity is right now. Park the bus and hit and hope…

Every one of those sides have spent £200m+ each probably over £1 billlion just to keep their head above water. We don’t have that kind of money, so I can’t blame us for parking the bus. Look what happens when we don’t.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

It is fairer. Because anyone half decent would fuck off to another league where there aren't wage caps. When I say a closed shop, I'm talking about the entire world, not just one country

Yeah, because the last time teams tried to forge a breakaway league it went down really well! Honestly, something needs to give and I suspect if City are found guilty and adequately punished it might just reset everything

 

[SUFCinks]

Some of them breached FFP to do so and I think all of them have billionaire owners.

I don’t think brentford do.

 

[Bladesman]

Every one of those sides have spent £200m+ each probably over £1 billlion just to keep their head above water. We don’t have that kind of money, so I can’t blame us for parking the bus. Look what happens when we don’t.

Brighton have spent nearly £700million just to get into the top half of the PL.

 

[sjl]

How dare clubs with more money than us be able to spend it! I'm sure there most have been some point last season where a Rotherham, Preston etc said "but they have 40 million pounds worth of strikers on their bench" at us

And we spent the summer telling everyone how we had won the PL lottery. Nope, but our owner had!!

 

[SUFCinks]

Every one of those sides have spent £200m+ each probably over £1 billlion just to keep their head above water. We don’t have that kind of money, so I can’t blame us for parking the bus. Look what happens when we don’t.

We’ve spent more in the prem (last 5 years) than all apart from wolves who spent a similar amount. We’ve just spent badly.

 

[RetfordBlade96]

Brighton, brentford, bournemouth, leicester, wolves, fulham they have all managed to get a foothold in this league and compete with the big boys. Some of them have spent more than others to get here. IMO they all have been successful because they have signed good players and have a footballing culture. Their philosophy and culture came before their success.

I really couldn’t tell you what our footballing identity is right now. Park the bus and hit and hope…

Brighton: Tony Bloom (£1.2 billion net worth, written off 100s of millions of debt in the club and spent 10s millions on the best scouting system in the world, good philosophy married with you guessed it lots of money. )
Brentford: Matthew Benham (Worth a mere £300 million but owns a statistical analysis company that the athletic said has given them £100s of millions worth of free data on players, interesting if unique model I reckon their are less then 10 men in the world who own a company like this.
Bournemouth: Bill Foley (£1.2 Billion before their owner was a Russian Oligarch)
Leicester: Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha (£4.6 Billion and currently in the championship!!)
Wolves: Guo Guangchang (£5.2 billion and George Mendes as DOF able to get half the Portuguese national team)
Fulham: Shadid Khan (£12.1 billion)

Undoubtedly identity and philosophy and culture have played a role in their success but it is in all case (except maybe brentford and they are unique) it has been backed up by huge financial muscle, you can have a good football culture ala brighton and play a certain way if you know the financial risks of it not paying off are minimal.... We all know the score we had to be promoted last year by hook or by crook.

 

[sjl]

Not sure your logic follows there TBH. The Premier League is a closed shop for 20 teams each year. Why couldn’t you impose a cap that handicapped last years successful teams and gave the 3 promoted teams the highest threshold? Doesn’t that seem fairer?

Just out of interest, when we go down will we worry about fairness and hand back the parachute payments? (I doubt it).

 

[SUFCinks]

Brighton: Tony Bloom (£1.2 billion net worth, written off 100s of millions of debt in the club and spent 10s millions on the best scouting system in the world, good philosophy married with you guessed it lots of money. )
Brentford: Matthew Benham (Worth a mere £300 million but owns a statistical analysis company that the athletic said has given them £100s of millions worth of free data on players, interesting if unique model I reckon their are less then 10 men in the world who own a company like this.
Bournemouth: Bill Foley (£1.2 Billion before their owner was a Russian Oligarch)
Leicester: Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha (£4.6 Billion and currently in the championship!!)
Wolves: Guo Guangchang (£5.2 billion and George Mendes as DOF able to get half the Portuguese national team)
Fulham: Shadid Khan (£12.1 billion)

Undoubtedly identity and philosophy and culture have played a role in their success but it is in all case (except maybe brentford and they are unique) it has been backed up by huge financial muscle, you can have a good football culture ala brighton and play a certain way if you know the financial risks of it not paying off are minimal.... We all know the score we had to be promoted last year by hook or by crook.

Yeh i can’t argue much against that. I should’ve only mentioned brentford.

I do think though that the footballing culture/philosophy has been lost at this club a little. At those clubs i mentioned the type of player they acquire and the style of football/culture they play is much more progressive and forward thinking which helps.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

We’ve spent more in the prem (last 5 years) than all apart from wolves who spent a similar amount. We’ve just spent badly.

I think you might need to check your figures mate. Fulham and Brighton have spent orders of magnitude more than us. Wolves and Villa too. Brentford I would wager have too.

 

[RetfordBlade96]

Yeh i can’t argue much against that. I should’ve only mentioned brentford.

I do think though that the footballing culture/philosophy has been lost at this club a little. At those clubs i mentioned the type of player they acquire and the style of football/culture they play is much more progressive and forward thinking which helps.

I actually agree with you on United but I think its a function of dire finances, If we go down with a new owner, i'd take 2/3 years in the championship whilst we build up a new style of football, Cat 1 academy and infrastructure!

Innovation requires the investment to stand on, Brighton is a classic example of that, 20 years ago when they're scrapping to stay open and in league 1 they can't sit and plan how they're gonna play its just week to week, were the same but at a higher level.

 

[SUFCinks]

I think you might need to check your figures mate. Fulham and Brighton have spent orders of magnitude more than us. Wolves and Villa too. Brentford I would wager have too.

Yeh i’ve been pulled up already on this, i understand the inaccuracies in that statement.

I think the value of football philosophy/culture should be more progressive and intelligent to compete.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Just out of interest, when we go down will we worry about fairness and hand back the parachute payments? (I doubt it).

That’s an invalid argument. I’m clearly speaking in global terms about the game as it stands. When we go back down, I would want us to be competitive in the context of our situation. Regardless, doesn’t mean I’m being hypocritical to say I severely dislike how the game is rigged.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Brighton: Tony Bloom (£1.2 billion net worth, written off 100s of millions of debt in the club and spent 10s millions on the best scouting system in the world, good philosophy married with you guessed it lots of money. )
Brentford: Matthew Benham (Worth a mere £300 million but owns a statistical analysis company that the athletic said has given them £100s of millions worth of free data on players, interesting if unique model I reckon their are less then 10 men in the world who own a company like this.
Bournemouth: Bill Foley (£1.2 Billion before their owner was a Russian Oligarch)
Leicester: Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha (£4.6 Billion and currently in the championship!!)
Wolves: Guo Guangchang (£5.2 billion and George Mendes as DOF able to get half the Portuguese national team)
Fulham: Shadid Khan (£12.1 billion)

Undoubtedly identity and philosophy and culture have played a role in their success but it is in all case (except maybe brentford and they are unique) it has been backed up by huge financial muscle, you can have a good football culture ala brighton and play a certain way if you know the financial risks of it not paying off are minimal.... We all know the score we had to be promoted last year by hook or by crook.

Cracking post that

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Yeh i can’t argue much against that. I should’ve only mentioned brentford.

I do think though that the footballing culture/philosophy has been lost at this club a little. At those clubs i mentioned the type of player they acquire and the style of football/culture they play is much more progressive and forward thinking which helps.

I do agree with your point about identity and us. I couldn’t really tell you what Hecky tries to do with us. I cringe at the “out run, out fight, out play” stuff. Meaningless platitudes that are the bare minimum of any professional side. We have no USP at all from what I can see. I like him overall but I do wonder if he (and us) are operating above our means.

 

[RetfordBlade96]

I do agree with your point about identity and us. I couldn’t really tell you what Hecky tries to do with us. I cringe at the “out run, out fight, out play” stuff. Meaningless platitudes that are the bare minimum of any professional side. We have no USP at all from what I can see. I like him overall but I do wonder if he (and us) are operating above our means.

I think we(and he) are but we need to tighten up and change some things (which are within our power) so that even if we go down disgraces like today arn't repeated

 

[sjl]

That’s an invalid argument. I’m clearly speaking in global terms about the game as it stands. When we go back down, I would want us to be competitive in the context of our situation. Regardless, doesn’t mean I’m being hypocritical to say I severely dislike how the game is rigged.

Okay. So it’s rigged if we can’t complete, but okay if we can? For what it’s worth, I agree with your global assessment but we’re a set of hypocrites with this. We were laughing at the money coming in, but now it’s clear it’s not going to the squad we don’t think it’s fair.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Okay. So it’s rigged if we can’t complete, but okay if we can? For what it’s worth, I agree with your global assessment but we’re a set of hypocrites with this. We were laughing at the money coming in, but now it’s clear it’s not going to the squad we don’t think it’s fair.

I certainly wasn’t laughing when it became clear we had £20m in a league that demands a £200m entry fee. To clarify, I believe the Premier League game is rigged (unconsciously perhaps) against anyone without a billionaire owner. The new rules favour those with bigger, better squads for example. I don’t think it reflects well on the game that you have to buy success. I believe there are models in other sports that could truly make the competition fairer. I believe those things aren’t introduced for nefarious and self-serving reasons by those at the top of the game. I believe the game is much, much worse off because of this,

However, I wouldn’t be opposed to a similar handicap spend cap in the Championship if we went down. Like I say, I think it greatly validates repeated success if you do it with the odds stacked against you.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

How is it corruption? So long as they're not breaching FFP then it's fair game. And they won't be breaching it with all this spread the fee across an 8 year contract that EVERYONE does to exploit this. Everyone but us, as spreading the £1mil for Slimane over 8 years isn't an attractive deal.

We're stuck in a rock and a hard place. You don't want to be in the Championship, but you don't want to be in the Premier League.

I personally hate the Premier League and have done since the day Abramovich arrived and destroyed it.

You’re absolutely right. The rules for FFP need to be changed, and soon, otherwise the game that we know and love will quickly become a thing of the past. How can a team bring £150mio of talent off the bench?

 

[sjl]

I certainly wasn’t laughing when it became clear we had £20m in a league that demands a £200m entry fee. To clarify, I believe the Premier League game is rigged (unconsciously perhaps) against anyone without a billionaire owner. The new rules favour those with bigger, better squads for example. I don’t think it reflects well on the game that you have to buy success. I believe there are models in other sports that could truly make the competition fairer. I believe those things aren’t introduced for nefarious and self-serving reasons by those at the top of the game. I believe the game is much, much worse off because of this,

However, I wouldn’t be opposed to a similar handicap spend cap in the Championship if we went down. Like I say, I think it greatly validates repeated success if you do it with the odds stacked against you.

You maybe, but the general consensus on here was that this was almost life changing and we were all millionaires. But your view is bang on pal, football is broken.

 

[crazyblade1889]

Brighton, brentford, bournemouth, leicester, wolves, fulham they have all managed to get a foothold in this league and compete with the big boys. Some of them have spent more than others to get here. IMO they all have been successful because they have signed good players and have a footballing culture. Their philosophy and culture came before their success. Money does make a difference but like someone else has said we also are just far too average at everything.

I really couldn’t tell you what our footballing identity is right now. Park the bus and hit and hope.

Money isn’t the only way to success.

What you talking about? Those teams spent a crazy amount of money. Many of them have spent well over 100m in one season in recent times!

 

[diplomat]

I completely agree. I admire American sports for their wage caps, salary caps, genuine financial fair play and the draft systems. Football could learn a lot from them. It's a bit like Formula E racing in some aspects.

Which is mad for a country that prides itself on anyone with money stepping on anyone with less but they seem to adopt a ‘socialist’ attitude to sport. Also mad how the best draft picks end up shrugging their shoulders at having to go to a shit team somewhere where they invariably would rather not go.

 

[diplomat]

The three that came on together, Isak, Tonali and Livramento cost a combined £150 million. Not an excuse but that's the kind of 'corruption' for want of a better word that is killing the game.

Yeah £40m Barnes goes off to be replaced by £50m Gordon. Then when they were bringing those three subs on when we were on our knees it really strikes home that it’s a different world. There’s a league within a league. The big six or seven are playing their own game.

 

[RWE]

I’ve posted it on another thread but this is probably the place to put it. When you see how much money is in this league what is the long term aim of any football fan watching their team outside of the “top 6” (whether it’s us, Rotherham, donny or even Wednesday) we all want to see our team win or even just compete but can’t stay in the championship due to financially not being able to sustain it. So really what is the end goal? Become an yo-yo club? Even after the fantastic 9th place finish season we didn’t gain anything apart from extra money. If it wasn’t for cup games there would be really no chance in winning anything and even with that look at us vs Man City at Wembley, there’s literally no chance when 2 players cost the same as our whole club - it’s ridiculous really

 

[Champagneblade]

Best manager? Don't agree. Results wise maybe. But on the pitch we have no style, no approach to attacking, can't defend, he makes subs too late and normally takes off/brings on the wrong player, he doesn't make tactical changes until after the damage is done instead of to prevent the inevitable. None of the players have gotten better under him. He's a very basic and limited manager who got us up on largely average performances, largely based on Ndiaye's maverick ways, and the league being one of the poorest since our promotion from League One where Leon finished top scorer. Hecky is a good coach but not a good match day manager and the results flatter his averageness. On paper Blackwell is one of our best managers, but I wouldn't pay to watch the tripe he served up again. Wilson was one of our best ever managers but no one will ever admit it for some reason.

Since we lost Ndiaye we’ve become too direct which only works when McBurnie is there with some presence.

Our ball retention is atrocious. We need to work on just keeping the ball. I’d rather us go backwards if needs be than just go forwards with the possibility of losing it so easily.

We have no idea how to retain possession. It’s just so frantic and we are so careless with it.

As good as Newcastle were, how many times did we simply turnover possession under no pressure? Davies headed the ball to their centre back, Traore gave one away which lead to a goal if I recall.

We lost at Spurs partly because Anel did the same.

 

[Caveblade]

Brighton, brentford, bournemouth, leicester, wolves, fulham they have all managed to get a foothold in this league and compete with the big boys. Some of them have spent more than others to get here. IMO they all have been successful because they have signed good players and have a footballing culture. Their philosophy and culture came before their success. Money does make a difference but like someone else has said we also are just far too average at everything.

I really couldn’t tell you what our footballing identity is right now. Park the bus and hit and hope.

Money isn’t the only way to succe

Some of them breached FFP to do so and I think all of them have billionaire owners.

Exactly. They all have rich backers and have spent big.

 

[Frank the tank]

Just out of interest, when we go down will we worry about fairness and hand back the parachute payments? (I doubt it).

And you wonder how everyone knows your a wednesday fan

 

[Ukkonen]

The disparity in the squads competing in the Premier League would mean you often need a miracle to get anything from a game.
Then refs are handing teams with such a big advantage already a 3 goal lead by half time!
We need to man up. Fight for 17th or better but not expect anything unless we get a few huge slice of luck go our way.
Back the manager.
Back the team.
We may just stay up.
If we don't, we have a good chance of competing in the Championship next season.
This is what it's like.
Don't sack the best manager we've had in a long time unless he begs to be let go like Wilder did.
We won't get so lucky again.
Hecky is building with youth and shrewd spending with a very low budget. Don't thow the baby out with the bath water!
COYRAWW

Totally agree with all of this, exactly my thoughts on Hecky and the club

 

[Esteban Cambiasso]

The three that came on together, Isak, Tonali and Livramento cost a combined £150 million. Not an excuse but that's the kind of 'corruption' for want of a better word that is killing the game.

Our striker cost £18m and he didn't make one sprint all game, there is a lot corruption in the prem but it didn't make our players not try for large periods of the game