New view of Lane re-development

[Silent Blade]

Very nice, but who's funding it? If we're dealing within our means and being careful with transfer windows, which is sensible given the current set up, then spending tens of millions on doing up the stadium is hardly going to be in question.

We will have to wait for fresh investment for that.

Spending on ground improvements doesnt affect our transfer money or the FFP

 

[S64 Blade]

Absolutely right. We haven't a clue whether we would 'fill it' because the demand for Premiership football at such a ground is unknown. In any event you don't have to 'fill' an extended stadium, but simply get enough in to make it viable.

We filled our ground in Division Three against Chesterfield! What's the potential for big matches against the Premier elite teams in a city centre ground big enough to accommodate many thousands of away and neutral fans? Vast, is the obvious answer.

People with Chronic Bladey Inferiority Complex constantly underestimate the huge potential of our club. We're massive (don't bother, no fucks wasted on the Pigs or parochial cap-doffing).

Totally agree here.

If you look back ten or so years, when the club announced the Westfield corner stand would be built, we were averaging less than 18k. Two years later and just in time for the corner opening, we were in the Premier League and averaged over 30k. Even now, after languishing in League One for what felt like a couple of millennia, we are so far, averaging 26k.

That's not to say the same increases will extrapolate into the future, but having the balls to aim for even more, often pays off; particularly if say the South Stand was expanded first and offered a more attractive seating option for 'the new breed of fans'.

Adding more seats will make it more viable to continue and extend out initiatives to attract new fans from the universities and schools. I'd assume this is less justified currently, given the lack of seats available.

 

[BushBlade]

Spending on ground improvements doesnt affect our transfer money or the FFP

True but who pays for the development? If we're in the PL we can use some of the vast income we'll receive but whilst we're not, where does the money come from?

 

[TJB.]

True but who pays for the development? If we're in the PL we can use some of the vast income we'll receive but whilst we're not, where does the money come from?

 

[Silent Blade]

True but who pays for the development? If we're in the PL we can use some of the vast income we'll receive but whilst we're not, where does the money come from?

It will come from someone who thinks it will be worthwhile. Dont know who would do that. Just saying that it wouldnt affect our plans to buy new players. Having the Desso didnt affect the money available for Adkins

 

[BushBlade]

It will come from someone who thinks it will be worthwhile. Dont know who would do that. Just saying that it wouldnt affect our plans to buy new players. Having the Desso didnt affect the money available for Adkins

The way I see it is there are two options;
1. The owners pay for it. I can't see how that wouldn't reduce what they could afford to spend on the playing side. They have limited wealth and they're already putting money into the club.
2. We borrow the money. That means we'll have to repay it plus interest. Over a number of years. That will also impact on our ability to spend on the playing side.

The Desso money did reduce what Adkins could spend. It all comes from the same three sources; club revenue, KM, Prince. If I've got £1000 to invest in my business and I spend £700 on a new carpet, I can't then spend £800 on a new computer. It's the same principle.

 

[Silent Blade]

The way I see it is there are two options;
1. The owners pay for it. I can't see how that wouldn't reduce what they could afford to spend on the playing side. They have limited wealth and they're already putting money into the club.
2. We borrow the money. That means we'll have to repay it plus interest. Over a number of years. That will also impact on our ability to spend on the playing side.

The Desso money did reduce what Adkins could spend. It all comes from the same three sources; club revenue, KM, Prince. If I've got £1000 to invest in my business and I spend £700 on a new carpet, I can't then spend £800 on a new computer. It's the same principle.

The money we spent on the Desso isnt included in the FFP

 

[BushBlade]

The money we spent on the Desso isnt included in the FFP

So what? It still had to come out of our income. It still had to be paid for.
We weren't even under FFP at the time, it was SCMP.

 

[Silent Blade]

So what? It still had to come out of our income. It still had to be paid for.
We weren't even under FFP at the time, it was SCMP.

That is what I meant. Money spent on Academy, ground improvements and managers salary are exempt when it comes to SCMP

 

[BushBlade]

That is what I meant. Money spent on Academy, ground improvements and managers salary are exempt when it comes to SCMP

Yes, it's exempt from SCMP but it still has to come from either club revenue, KM or Prince. If the Prince gives Desso £1m for a pitch, he can't give the same £1m to Wilder can he?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes, it's exempt from SCMP but it still has to come from either club revenue, KM or Prince. If the Prince gives Desso £1m for a pitch, he can't give the same £1m to Wilder can he?

It's how Chinese Dave wants it to look. Then when Chinatown expands to Shoreham Street, Chinese Bobs your Uncle.

Kop toilets will be used as a takeaway on non matchdays,The Steaming Palace".

 

[Silent Blade]

Yes, it's exempt from SCMP but it still has to come from either club revenue, KM or Prince. If the Prince gives Desso £1m for a pitch, he can't give the same £1m to Wilder can he?

For years KM has been talking about making BDTBL bigger. I dont think the money will come from the club revenue (that will be for making new signings) so it will have to be from KM, the prince or the next owner

 

[stringjunior]

It's how Chinese Dave wants it to look. Then when Chinatown expands to Shoreham Street, Chinese Bobs your Uncle.

Kop toilets will be used as a takeaway on non matchdays,The Steaming Palace".

We need an update from Chinese Dave String

 

[BushBlade]

For years KM has been talking about making BDTBL bigger. I dont think the money will come from the club revenue (that will be for making new signings) so it will have to be from KM, the prince or the next owner

Next owner then

 

[snootyfenooty]

For years KM has been talking about making BDTBL bigger. I dont think the money will come from the club revenue (that will be for making new signings) so it will have to be from KM, the prince or the next owner

The prince won't be putting any money in as he only owns 50% of the football side of SUFC and zero % of the assets. The next owner is hypothetical. Which only leaves KMc....

 

[leedsblade1982]

Interesting view on 'club director' Kevin McCabes plans for Bramall Lane from Jan 1997...

 

[leedsblade1982]

 

[Blade58]

I wonder if the leisure park was to be called Phoenix Park?

Reason I say that is because of who wrote the above article

 

[Ron_Justice]

Anyone else think one of the reasons for McCabe's intended plans for the new Eagles/Ladies Blades ground, is it could also provide a temporary home for the 1st team, while BDTDL gets a substantial make over?

Just a thought - when you consider the logistics of a sizable change to the existing ground - New Kop, South Stand extension, both at the same time (?) then it does beg the question: With the time required to make the changes, the ground will be unusable, so where will they play?

 

[DifferentClass]

I wouldn't mind spending my last years in a Blades nursing home!

 

[s4-blade]

Noticed yesterday that ground improvements have already began. John streets steps have been repainted much a lighter whiteish/yellow. Looks miles better than the garish bright yellow

 

[JohnDenver]

Anyone else think one of the reasons for McCabe's intended plans for the new Eagles/Ladies Blades ground, is it could also provide a temporary home for the 1st team, while BDTDL gets a substantial make over?

Just a thought - when you consider the logistics of a sizable change to the existing ground - New Kop, South Stand extension, both at the same time (?) then it does beg the question: With the time required to make the changes, the ground will be unusable, so where will they play?

I'd imagine that even if United played in front of just two open stands at BDTBL, it would still outsize any proposed Eagles ground and have vastly more corporate capacity.

 

[S64 Blade]

Anyone else think one of the reasons for McCabe's intended plans for the new Eagles/Ladies Blades ground, is it could also provide a temporary home for the 1st team, while BDTDL gets a substantial make over?

Just a thought - when you consider the logistics of a sizable change to the existing ground - New Kop, South Stand extension, both at the same time (?) then it does beg the question: With the time required to make the changes, the ground will be unusable, so where will they play?

I don't think so. The capacity of the stadium up there will be less than 10,000.

 

[DaleHillBlade]

I wouldn't mind spending my last years in a Blades nursing home!

Worked out well for Dean Hammond

 

[Harrisblade]

Worked out well for Dean Hammond

Apart from Saturday afternoons!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Anyone know who will pay for all these improvements?

Only I've heard the McCabes are pulling out.....

 

[Sheffsteel]

Just a thought - when you consider the logistics of a sizable change to the existing ground - New Kop, South Stand extension, both at the same time (?) then it does beg the question: With the time required to make the changes, the ground will be unusable, so where will they play?

I remember reports saying that the 'bolt on' design for the Kop meant minimal disturbance.
The club could start building and leave much of the Kop open and still in use.
The dismantling of the current roof and putting on a new would be done dung the offseason (Summer).

However of course if we decided to flatten the sight and build a totally new stand at the Kop end then capacity would reduce to about 18,000 for a long spell which would mean lost revenue. Also there's a massive cost and potential unknown problems (could find unexplored bombs, hazardous materials, dead bodies etc) when removing tons of earth.

Hence why the bolt on to the back of the Kop design was the common sense preference.

 

[S64 Blade]

I remember reports saying that the 'bolt on' design for the Kop meant minimal disturbance.
The club could start building and leave much of the Kop open and still in use.
The dismantling of the current roof and putting on a new would be done dung the offseason (Summer).

However of course if we decided to flatten the sight and build a totally new stand at the Kop end then capacity would reduce to about 18,000 for a long spell which would mean lost revenue. Also there's a massive cost and potential unknown problems (could find unexplored bombs, hazardous materials, dead bodies etc) when removing tons of earth.

Hence why the bolt on to the back of the Kop design was the common sense preference.

Or redevelop the South stand first, which I keep banging on about.

I'd like to see us do something with that corner between JSS and the Kop. I noticed on Saturday that there was just a thin line of people congregated in the middle of it, presumably as the wings are restricted views. We are probably losing out on 500 seats there. I'm sure it could be redesigned better.

 

[Ron_Justice]

The Kop needs a complete overhaul. Need to take the opportunity to unify that end of the ground and tie the South Stand, Kop and John Street together into 'one' sweeping stand - Essentially matching the rake of the South Stand, then transition across the length of the Kop to then end up matching the Rake of John Street. Also, deal with the Concessions and Pissers add a covered Concourse, all while increasing the capacity by extending backwards towards Shoreham Street - There's enough room to almost double the floor plan of the existing Kop and introduce all manner of facilities under the rake.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

One thing that bugs me and would make the ground look much better for relatively cheap... The areas around the pitch. That old tarmac is showing its age.