New stuff for next season

[SouthEssexBlade]

Wednesday are too massive and don't need to entertain sponsorship. That's why the fish monger has his own name on their kit.

Also electronic advertising doesn't work well under water.

 

[coolhandluke]

I hope it doesn't.

There are a minority of fans who still think it's right not to expose their kids to foul language and moronic behaviour.

I moved from my season ticket on the kop to the south stand when I started taking my kids. Why? Because they wouldn't have seen much of the game due to pissed up fans getting up every 5 minutes to go for a pie or a piss.

I also didn't want them to hear disgusting language and think it was "normal".

We've never used foul language in the home. Maybe a " bugger" or "bloody", but never "F" or "C" words.

The South Stand isn't perfect though. My kids have heard foul language there too, but they understand this is the language of the gutter and dont repeat it at home.

I think there is a need to have areas of the ground where respectful behaviour is the norm.

For that reason I think we should have areas like the family stand where parents with standards can feel comfortable to take their kids.

Here here .

I've approached both the Club and SYP with an impassioned plea for more stringent controls regarding the sobriety ( or , sadly , otherwise ) of people entering our sporting stadium . I've also had some potentially great news from SYP regarding this issue which continues to plague our Club . I can't say too much right now but I think it's fair to say I'm expecting some form of ' testing ' for the idiots that appear to have had too much to drink BEFORE they are allowed entry .

Long overdue imo .

 

[Westran]

I hope it doesn't.

There are a minority of fans who still think it's right not to expose their kids to foul language and moronic behaviour.

I moved from my season ticket on the kop to the south stand when I started taking my kids. Why? Because they wouldn't have seen much of the game due to pissed up fans getting up every 5 minutes to go for a pie or a piss.

I also didn't want them to hear disgusting language and think it was "normal".

We've never used foul language in the home. Maybe a " bugger" or "bloody", but never "F" or "C" words.

The South Stand isn't perfect though. My kids have heard foul language there too, but they understand this is the language of the gutter and dont repeat it at home.

I think there is a need to have areas of the ground where respectful behaviour is the norm.

For that reason I think we should have areas like the family stand where parents with standards can feel comfortable to take their kids.

Maybe you ought to try and teach your children that everybody is different and some aren't as well off as others, also that some people have manners and some people don't and you should treat others as you would like to be treated. I'm sorry but painting everyone on the Kop as a disrespectful alcoholic with poor language skills isn't exactly respectful behaviour either, it's pompous and makes you sound like a jumped up arrogant cunt. Not saying that you are, just that you sound like one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/09/27/swear-words-intelligence_n_12213206.html

 

[coolhandluke]

Wednesday are too massive and don't need to entertain sponsorship. That's why the fish monger has his own name on their kit.

Their chairman has found a depressingly familiar way around this shortfall in income ...... he fleeces their fan base with exorbitant admission costs instead .

 

[Redflame]

Jesus Christ kids hear and use worse at school than anything they hear at Bramall Lane the difference is you are not there to be embarrassed by being with them.

I think not

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Their chairman has found a depressingly familiar way around this shortfall in income ...... he fleeces their fan base with exorbitant admission costs instead .

And they're stupid enough to pay it, totally ignorant to how they're paying for their 'star player's' wages. They think Chasiri is the second coming, he's not stupid, he's part funding but the fans are funding a great deal.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Here here .

I've approached both the Club and SYP with an impassioned plea for more stringent controls regarding the sobriety ( or , sadly , otherwise ) of people entering our sporting stadium . I've also had some potentially great news from SYP regarding this issue which continues to plague our Club . I can't say too much right now but I think it's fair to say I'm expecting some form of ' testing ' for the idiots that appear to have had too much to drink BEFORE they are allowed entry .

Long overdue imo .

So what form is this testing going to take ?
And what limit do you put on the amount of alcohol you are allowed to consume to be let into the ground
It seems unworkable to me

 

[s4-blade]

Here here .

I've approached both the Club and SYP with an impassioned plea for more stringent controls regarding the sobriety ( or , sadly , otherwise ) of people entering our sporting stadium . I've also had some potentially great news from SYP regarding this issue which continues to plague our Club . I can't say too much right now but I think it's fair to say I'm expecting some form of ' testing ' for the idiots that appear to have had too much to drink BEFORE they are allowed entry .

Long overdue imo .

A minimum blood alcohol limit then. Great idea, will really improve the atmosphere.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I'd like to see facilities improve on the Kop. Would be good to queue for less than 20 minutes for refreshments.

Also would be good to have somewhere to shelter from the rain while consuming said refreshments.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

The game has change. The demographic of those attending has changed. There seems to be an element that are wanting/ trying to recreate a sort of retro 80s vibe, others a continental pyro party. Neither are pertinent or applicable to that new fan base. Our best atmosphere happens at half-time in the concourse, hardly support for the team. It may be time to embrace this a bit more, if we have a family stand/section why not a safe pyro/singing section as well. It might help with atmosphere and move it from the concourse to the stands. Hopefully the safe standing movement gains momentum and the sweary, smokey, flamey can join together for the game rather than the interval.

I agree with you there. I'm totally in favour of safe-standing areas. I'd much rather be in a standing area if there was a fire than sat down amongst smouldering plastic seats.

 

[alcoblade]

So what form is this testing going to take ?
And what limit do you put on the amount of alcohol you are allowed to consume to be let into the ground
It seems unworkable to me

Sounds ridiculous to me. I'm not aware of any acute problem it's trying to tackle, but it's other step down the road to my sterilised football nightmare.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I swear like a sailor's parrot, but my daughter knows not to repeat it. It's not the "language of the gutter", it's just language.

That depends, I guess, on what is "normal" for you. Which may reflect the environment you've been brought up in, or the environment you currently live or work in. I come from a working class background, my father was a coal miner, I grew up in a coal-mining village. Bad language (let's call it that) is not exactly uncommon in those social circles - but - and maybe this is also a generation thing - it was never acceptable for men to swear in front of women or children - or to even be heard swearing loudly in public. We were all low-life to some degree, but those who used foul language like that were especially low life and looked down upon. I'm sure my father would have used bad language as part of everyday speech at work with his coal mining mates - normal in that environment - but it stopped at the door when he was home. Likewise, I went to a large comprehensive school in Sheffield and it was normal to swear amongst mates - but no I didn't swear at home - I wouldn't have dared!

The kind of places I've worked, which was initially in public service roles, and later in my career, in a professional business environment, I'd have literally been fired for using that kind of language in the workplace. Late at night in a bar with a few close workmates in private -no problem. But not openly at work. Absolutely not allowed or even remotely expected. But that isn't the same for all workplaces I accept.

There was an interesting test case a few years ago where a fisherman in Hull, lost his job at the docks for using foul language. I believe he told his boss to "F off" and the boss fired him on the spot as a result. The guy took it to tribunal and they found in favour of the fisherman. The reason they said was that this kind of language was "common parlance" i.e. "normal" in that environment and therefore it did not constitute gross misconduct at work - which legally is the only thing you can be fired directly for, without prior warning. So absolutely, the environment that you are in does dictate whether language is acceptable or not.

I must admit, I am still occasionally shocked by foul language in public. I'm particularly shocked by how it seems to have become "acceptable". And I'm even more shocked by how we hear this from the voice of women in public. I was in a bar in Sheffield the other night and three girls sat behind me, every other word was "fuck" and "shit" with a good sprinkling of "twat" and "bastard" thrown in. I looked at these girls - they didn't look rough or anything - in fact they looked respectable - but the language coming from their mouths - put it this way - if I was single and they'd have looked like Miss World I wouldn't have been interested.

I think, like a lot of things, we've become desensitised to it because it's been allowed to grow unchecked. It's an essential part of comedy or drama on TV. It never used to be. I think a lot of the influence has come from the US as well. I really wish we wouldn't copy what they do because it's really not all good and clever. It's in video games and music and everything these days. My son downloaded some song by a rapper a while ago. He played it to me because apparently it's famous for being the fastest, most words, in a rap song. I only heard one word, it went so fast, and that word was "motherfucker". How lovely eh? What a great contribution to our vocabulary the Americans have made with that term!

Maybe you disagree and think there's nothing wrong with it? I'm sure we won't all agree and we don't need to agree either. But I think It's something to do with "respect" - this is a precious value that has been eroded in our society in lots of ways. It means being understanding of others differences and being prepared to act or behave in a way that is expected in the environment you're in, even if it's not your usual style.

 

[alcoblade]

I swear like a sailor's parrot, but my daughter knows not to repeat it. It's not the "language of the gutter", it's just language.

Yep, there's a time and a place, but in the end it's just words. Show me someone who doesn't swear, and I'll show you a fucking weirdo.

 

[Rodley]

The game has change. The demographic of those attending has changed. There seems to be an element that are wanting/ trying to recreate a sort of retro 80s vibe, others a continental pyro party. Neither are pertinent or applicable to that new fan base. Our best atmosphere happens at half-time in the concourse, hardly support for the team. It may be time to embrace this a bit more, if we have a family stand/section why not a safe pyro/singing section as well. It might help with atmosphere and move it from the concourse to the stands. Hopefully the safe standing movement gains momentum and the sweary, smokey, flamey can join together for the game rather than the interval.

Makes sense to me. Let them have their fun.

 

[shorehamview]

That depends, I guess, on what is "normal" for you. Which may reflect the environment you've been brought up in, or the environment you currently live or work in. I come from a working class background, my father was a coal miner, I grew up in a coal-mining village. Bad language (let's call it that) is not exactly uncommon in those social circles - but - and maybe this is also a generation thing - it was never acceptable for men to swear in front of women or children - or to even be heard swearing loudly in public. We were all low-life to some degree, but those who used foul language like that were especially low life and looked down upon. I'm sure my father would have used bad language as part of everyday speech at work with his coal mining mates - normal in that environment - but it stopped at the door when he was home. Likewise, I went to a large comprehensive school in Sheffield and it was normal to swear amongst mates - but no I didn't swear at home - I wouldn't have dared!

The kind of places I've worked, which was initially in public service roles, and later in my career, in a professional business environment, I'd have literally been fired for using that kind of language in the workplace. Late at night in a bar with a few close workmates in private -no problem. But not openly at work. Absolutely not allowed or even remotely expected. But that isn't the same for all workplaces I accept.

There was an interesting test case a few years ago where a fisherman in Hull, lost his job at the docks for using foul language. I believe he told his boss to "F off" and the boss fired him on the spot as a result. The guy took it to tribunal and they found in favour of the fisherman. The reason they said was that this kind of language was "common parlance" i.e. "normal" in that environment and therefore it did not constitute gross misconduct at work - which legally is the only thing you can be fired directly for, without prior warning. So absolutely, the environment that you are in does dictate whether language is acceptable or not.

I must admit, I am still occasionally shocked by foul language in public. I'm particularly shocked by how it seems to have become "acceptable". And I'm even more shocked by how we hear this from the voice of women in public. I was in a bar in Sheffield the other night and three girls sat behind me, every other word was "fuck" and "shit" with a good sprinkling of "twat" and "bastard" thrown in. I looked at these girls - they didn't look rough or anything - in fact they looked respectable - but the language coming from their mouths - put it this way - if I was single and they'd have looked like Miss World I wouldn't have been interested.

I think, like a lot of things, we've become desensitised to it because it's been allowed to grow unchecked. It's an essential part of comedy or drama on TV. It never used to be. I think a lot of the influence has come from the US as well. I really wish we wouldn't copy what they do because it's really not all good and clever. It's in video games and music and everything these days. My son downloaded some song by a rapper a while ago. He played it to me because apparently it's famous for being the fastest, most words, in a rap song. I only heard one word, it went so fast, and that word was "motherfucker". How lovely eh? What a great contribution to our vocabulary the Americans have made with that term!

Maybe you disagree and think there's nothing wrong with it? I'm sure we won't all agree and we don't need to agree either. But I think It's something to do with "respect" - this is a precious value that has been eroded in our society in lots of ways. It means being understanding of others differences and being prepared to act or behave in a way that is expected in the environment you're in, even if it's not your usual style.

No, let's just call it language. I've brought my daughter up to know the difference between right and wrong, as well as right and left. She doesn't repeat the swear words that I use, and I certainly don't swear at inappropriate times, but the puritanical view that it's "bad" seems to be rather old fashioned. It may not be appropriate at times, and someone telling their boss to fuck off can consider themselves very fortunate indeed if they don't get some form of disciplinary action taken against them, but there's also the context in which the words are said that has to be taken into account.

Do you make your children wear ear defenders when they leave the house in case they hear something you'd rather they didn't? If I hear swearing then I tend to consider the circumstances in which it's used by the person using it. In a pub, I would say it's acceptable. I don't use swear words at every possible opportunity, but they do have a certain place in conversation. I have a friend who gets rather irritable if I use even a "mild" swear word like crap in front of their already badly behaved children, yet I doubt it's my language that has seen their 11 year old boy regularly having tantrums to the extent that he has smashed his bedroom up on more than one occasion, yet my daughter hears me swear and her manners are impeccable, because I don't believe that good manners are an option. I probably wouldn't swear in front of someone who has their kids in tow if I was in a shop or restaurant, but to expect nobody to swear at a football match in case someone's precious cherub hears a naughty word shouted from fifty yards away is a bit much.

 

[Rodley]

Here here .

I've approached both the Club and SYP with an impassioned plea for more stringent controls regarding the sobriety ( or , sadly , otherwise ) of people entering our sporting stadium . I've also had some potentially great news from SYP regarding this issue which continues to plague our Club . I can't say too much right now but I think it's fair to say I'm expecting some form of ' testing ' for the idiots that appear to have had too much to drink BEFORE they are allowed entry .

Long overdue imo .

That's a nightmare if they start testing people for drink. Would ruin my matchday and for numerous others. The pubs on London Road and in between the station to the ground are the heartbeat of the club. They'd die.

We need to start encouraging more 18-30 year olds to come to the Lane, not placing more and more restrictions on them coming to games. No unreserved seating, no swearing and now no place for getting beered up.

I guess it's Werthers Army or nothing at all these days.

 

[Rodley]

Sounds ridiculous to me. I'm not aware of any acute problem it's trying to tackle, but it's other step down the road to my sterilised football nightmare.

Agreed. Let's destroy generations of culture for the sake of a few Mary Whitehouse types.

 

[Bell4]

There will be a free pyro with every programme which will include detailed instructions on how to launch the fucker to ensure it always hits a child,old woman,wheelchair user or muslim,(see flob thread).

Spit mi Um Bongo art

 

[coolhandluke]

So what form is this testing going to take ?
And what limit do you put on the amount of alcohol you are allowed to consume to be let into the ground
It seems unworkable to me

A minimum blood alcohol limit then. Great idea, will really improve the atmosphere.

Sounds ridiculous to me. I'm not aware of any acute problem it's trying to tackle, but it's other step down the road to my sterilised football nightmare.

That's a nightmare if they start testing people for drink. Would ruin my matchday and for numerous others. The pubs on London Road and in between the station to the ground are the heartbeat of the club. They'd die.

We need to start encouraging more 18-30 year olds to come to the Lane, not placing more and more restrictions on them coming to games. No unreserved seating, no swearing and now no place for getting beered up.

I guess it's Werthers Army or nothing at all these days.

Agreed. Let's destroy generations of culture for the sake of a few Mary Whitehouse types.

In essence the sticking point has been whether or not the individual in question is drunk . The plan being discussed at the moment is to arrest for the offence of being drunk entering a sports stadium where the officer believed the individual is intoxicated ( don't confuse this with an individual turning up at the turn style whilst acting in a disorderly or threatening manner . There are seperate offences that govern this situation ) . Once in custody blood/alcohol levels will then be ascertained before further action is determined . The offence in question can already be dealt with in a number of different ways . The one thing that would happen in all cases however is an application for a banning order . As I say , I'm awaiting full disclosure about what the actual plans are but the feedback I already have indicates the aforementioned action is the way forward .

On a slightly different topic Cerberus Blade . If any individuals around you at the game behave in ANY way that offends you or makes you fearful for your own safety , this is a criminal offence . Report it immediately . Upon successful prosecution the very least the moron will get is a three year banning order .

It's a terrible state of affairs when right minded Blades have to use the law to ensure we have a safe and comfortable experience whilst watching our team .

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Put a scoreboard at the kop end so ALL sides of the ground have the luxury of knowing how long is left...........Big screen is shite, merely advertising space.

 

[Rodley]

In essence the sticking point has been whether or not the individual in question is drunk . The plan being discussed at the moment is to arrest for the offence of being drunk entering a sports stadium where the officer believed the individual is intoxicated ( don't confuse this with an individual turning up at the turn style whilst acting in a disorderly or threatening manner . There are seperate offences that govern this situation ) . Once in custody blood/alcohol levels will then be ascertained before further action is determined . The offence in question can already be dealt with in a number of different ways . The one thing that would happen in all cases however is an application for a banning order . As I say , I'm awaiting full disclosure about what the actual plans are but the feedback I already have indicates the aforementioned action is the way forward .

On a slightly different topic Cerberus Blade . If any individuals around you at the game behave in ANY way that offends you or makes you fearful for your own safety , this is a criminal offence . Report it immediately . Upon successful prosecution the very least the moron will get is a three year banning order .

It's a terrible state of affairs when right minded Blades have to use the law to ensure we have a safe and comfortable experience whilst watching our team .

A fucking banning order?!

For turning up drunk?!?!

Are you lifting my leg? So if I turn up at the game having a sing song after 4-5 pints for a home game there's a chance I'll get a banning order?

All my old pals are talking about travelling back from all parts of the UK for a reunion pub crawl before one of the games next season. It's likely we'll be drunk before. Are we seriously looking at a banning order? Is this what it's come to? There's a serious chance we might try and start songs and potentially give a stranger a drunken hug.

I despair I really do.

 

[coolhandluke]

A fucking banning order?!

For turning up drunk?!?!

Are you lifting my leg? So if I turn up at the game having a sing song after 4-5 pints for a home game there's a chance I'll get a banning order?

All my old pals are talking about travelling back from all parts of the UK for a reunion pub crawl before one of the games next season. It's likely we'll be drunk before. Are we seriously looking at a banning order? Is this what it's come to? There's a serious chance we might try and start songs and potentially give a stranger a drunken hug.

I despair I really do.

Stupid , moronic , selfish behaviour is to blame and no one can say it hasn't been coming . Let's see our drunken morons eff and blind their way out of this one .

Long overdue imo .

 

[CarlMcBlade]

It's not so much the swearing as the middle-aged men doing all that lovely sign language from that 80s themed area of the ground.....That is H block.

 

[Rodley]

Stupid , moronic , selfish behaviour is to blame and no one can say it hasn't been coming . Let's see our drunken morons eff and blind their way out of this one .

Long overdue imo .

And every drunk person is stupid, moronic and selfish at the football?

I'm capable of being drunk without acting up and all my pals are the same. Do we still deserve a banning order and getting our collar felt?

 

[coolhandluke]

And every drunk person is stupid, moronic and selfish at the football?

I'm capable of being drunk without acting up and all my pals are the same. Do we still deserve a banning order and getting our collar felt?

If you've ever had a kebab from chubbys in town after a skin full , then yes , you're very stupid .

 

[BladeInIreland]

 

[alcoblade]

Stupid , moronic , selfish behaviour is to blame and no one can say it hasn't been coming . Let's see our drunken morons eff and blind their way out of this one .

Long overdue imo .

Or they could ban the fucking bores and solve the problem outright.

There's already laws for unruly behaviour. It's the stifffs we have to put up with.

 

[alcoblade]

If you've ever had a kebab from chubbys in town after a skin full , then yes , you're very stupid .

Phew! For a minute, I thought you meant all the bollocks you were posting. Now, it's clear, you can't be serious.

 

[coolhandluke]

Phew! For a minute, I thought you meant all the bollocks you were posting. Now, it's clear, you can't be serious.

You know the thing that scares the ever loving shit out of me ? There's posters on here that think I'm being serious AND support what I'm saying

What the fucks all that about

 

[WhiteHawk]

If you've ever had a kebab from chubbys in town after a skin full , then yes , you're very stupid .

Is that the one near John Lewis? I've only ever been there once and it was absolutely terrible.