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You do realise that most players contracts run until the end of June and the transfer window for players still under contract doesn’t open for 2 more days don’t you?

There’s no way we only sign 4 players.
 
crooked bladesman said:
Can't see us signing any players for a fee pre-season.

I reckon we bring in 4 players from the championship and L1 on free transfers and that's our lot. Not going to be pretty next season.
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That isn't anything that most of us weren't aware of at the end of the season.
What made you think we were awash with transfer funds?
 

ben1987 said:
You do realise that most players contracts run until the end of June and the transfer window for players still under contract doesn’t open for 2 more days don’t you?

There’s no way we only sign 4 players.
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Yes, that's why I said it. 4 players max all for free. There is no relationship between what we need and what we are likey to get.
 
As of now, Wilder will be working with the budget set by HRH. It could change, if the takeover happens within a month or so. My only concern is how much influence the potential new owners will have on the "Wilder's " list. With the news today that Eagan's contract not being renewed at the moment, it sounds a bit ominous.
But has others have stated, availability is vital, and thats not the case this season for JE.
 
john Mathison said:
As of now, Wilder will be working with the budget set by HRH. It could change, if the takeover happens within a month or so. My only concern is how much influence the potential new owners will have on the "Wilder's " list. With the news today that Eagan's contract not being renewed at the moment, it sounds a bit ominous.
But has others have stated, availability is vital, and thats not the case this season for JE.
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It has been reported that Egan's contract is yet to be renewed as we are waiting to see how he recovers from his injury before making a decision.

Smart move if you ask me.
 
All signings will be "undisclosed fee" if there is any payment made and it's not a free.

Nailed on.
 
john Mathison said:
As of now, Wilder will be working with the budget set by HRH. It could change, if the takeover happens within a month or so. My only concern is how much influence the potential new owners will have on the "Wilder's " list. With the news today that Eagan's contract not being renewed at the moment, it sounds a bit ominous.
But has others have stated, availability is vital, and thats not the case this season for JE.
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"Eagan"
 
I'm more worried about us relying on loans again. Let's say we bring in 2 quality loans who play all season. Next season they'll need replacing and all we'll do is play the loan market again the following season.

Football has changed, particularly the Championship where it's a sell to buy market. Clubs need to own and develop their own players so that they can be sold for profit to fund future signings. We can't do that if we don't own our players. Look at Coventry last summer with Hamer and Gyokeres. Great scouting, great coaching and great fees received as a result. Look at us in comparison over the last five years. Peterborough might be League One but they're stacked with young players who are getting better and better and will be sold on for good fees.

I've said it for the last three or four seasons, this club needs a director of football and to wake up to the modern game.

Managers aren't managers anymore, that's the role of the DoF. Managers are coaches now, they prepare the team for matches and coach and improve players. You play to your players strengths and adapt your formation and tactics to utilise them. You don't put square pegs into round holes or ask players to not do what they're good at to play an unfamiliar role that you want them to play because you stubbornly want to use your favourite formation and your favourite way of playing. You don't ask Paul Scholes to play like Nicky Butt! Look at McBurnie pre United and how he's been for us? Was he asked to play a hold up role or target man for Swansea? This is why Akibiyi failed for us. At Burnley he ran at teams with the ball and they bounced off him. He was top scorer in the Championship when we signed him. Warnock tried to turn him into a target man and it failed and he only scored once three times for us.

This is why so many young coaches are being successful up and down the leagues, whilst the managers of yore are not having as big and impact anymore, as they're not willing to adapt and focus on results more than development.

Let the players play what comes naturally to them instinctively and adapt your tactics to them and you'll play good football and likely see interest from other clubs for good fees, as well as see the oh so precious results.

It's why young players are often so good when they first come into teams. They just do what they know. After that they either improve under good management or become mindless drones, who play paint by number football through over coaching where they lose the instinct that made them so exciting in the first place.

Patience is required to build teams these days and United have fallen into the trap of the Premier League being the be all and end all, and it has done more damage than good. Three seasons out of five in the Premier League and we're left with a team arguably worse than the one that first took us up five years ago. Our only sellable assets for profit are a sulky centre back and two midfielders who we want to keep, but may have to sell Hamer for funds for transfer fees, unless by some miracle we recoup what we paid on the Brazilian pointing finger.
 
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Tony_Kaufman said:
I'm more worried about us relying on loans again. Let's say we bring in 2 quality loans who play all season. Next season they'll need replacing and all we'll do is play the loan market again the following season.

Football has changed, particularly the Championship where it's a sell to buy market. Clubs need to own and develop their own players so that they can be sold for profit to fund future signings. We can't do that if we don't own our players. Look at Coventry last summer with Hamer and Gyokeres. Great scouting, great coaching and great fees received as a result. Look at us in comparison over the last five years. Peterborough might be League One but they're stacked with young players who are getting better and better and will be sold on for good fees.

I've said it for the last three or four seasons, this club needs a director of football and to wake up to the modern game.

Managers aren't managers anymore, that's the role of the DoF. Managers are coaches now, they prepare the team for matches and coach and improve players. You play to your players strengths and adapt your formation and tactics to utilise them. You don't put square pegs into round holes or ask players to not do what they're good at to play an unfamiliar role that you want them to play because you stubbornly want to use your favourite formation and your favourite way of playing. You don't ask Paul Scholes to play like Nicky Butt! Look at McBurnie pre United and how he's been for us? Was he asked to play a hold up role or target man for Swansea? This is why Akibiyi failed for us. At Burnley he ran at teams with the ball and they bounced off him. He was top scorer in the Championship when we signed him. Warnock tried to turn him into a target man and it failed and he only scored once three times for us.

This is why so many young coaches are being successful up and down the leagues, whilst the managers of yore are not having as big and impact anymore, as they're not willing to adapt and focus on results more than development.

Let the players play what comes naturally to them instinctively and adapt your tactics to them and you'll play good football and likely see interest from other clubs for good fees, as well as see the oh so precious results.

It's why young players are often so good when they first come into teams. They just do what they know. After that they either improve under good management or become mindless drones, who play paint by number football through over coaching where they lose the instinct that made them so exciting in the first place.

Patience is required to build teams these days and United have fallen into the trap of the Premier League being the be all and end all, and it has done more damage than good. Three seasons out of five in the Premier League and we're left with a team arguably worse than the one that first took us up five years ago. Our only sellable assets for profit are a sulky centre back and two midfielders who we want to keep, but may have to sell Hamer for funds for transfer fees, unless by some miracle we recoup what we paid on the Brazilian pointing finger.
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Some good points made except for Akinbiyi. He has legendary status since scoring that goal in front of the snortersw kop. Long live Ade.
 

Lessons still haven’t been learnt from last summers transfer shit show yes it’s first day of the window but at least 2 or 3 free transfers should have been wrapped up by now we’ve known our fate for long enough to have been dealing with players and agents before anyone else we’ve had an advantage an we’ve obviously not used it
 
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