NDiaye. Going or staying?

[djbaldken]

Lots here about Billy, Fleck and Stevens probably not having renewed contracts.
But the big one for me is NDiaye. I know he has one year on his contract remaining. The questions being asked are, cash in now, or hold him to his contract and get nothing.
Spurs are the latest club said to be hovering about and being ready to swoop.
If you look at their squad, four fifths of them are on £100,00 a week or less. So I cant see them offering NDiaye more than that.
For me it would be a no brainer to break our wage cap and offer him £80,000/£100,000 a week for over the next two years. That would work out at just a bit more than £10,000,000 over the next two years. Where is anyone going to get a player of his capabilites for that kind of money?
I'd be interested to hear any suggestions of alternative players, as good, for that money.
Theres probably more to it than just the money. And as I understand, its not him, its his 'advisors' that are stalling on a new deal. (Im not an ITK er)
At the moment we have no idea what Hecky will get for a budget. Except its not going to be a big one.
We need to get a take over sorted as soon as possible. Looks like Dozy is a no no. But we need someone and soon if Princy wants to move on.

Feel free to tell me my figures are bollocks. But what are others thoughts on him staying or leaving.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Lots here about Billy, Fleck and Stevens probably not having renewed contracts.
But the big one for me is NDiaye. I know he has one year on his contract remaining. The questions being asked are, cash in now, or hold him to his contract and get nothing.
Spurs are the latest club said to be hovering about and being ready to swoop.
If you look at their squad, four fifths of them are on £100,00 a week or less. So I cant see them offering NDiaye more than that.
For me it would be a no brainer to break our wage cap and offer him £80,000/£100,000 a week for over the next two years. That would work out at just a bit more than £10,000,000 over the next two years. Where is anyone going to get a player of his capabilites for that kind of money?
I'd be interested to hear any suggestions of alternative players, as good, for that money.
Theres probably more to it than just the money. And as I understand, its not him, its his 'advisors' that are stalling on a new deal. (Im not an ITK er)
At the moment we have no idea what Hecky will get for a budget. Except its not going to be a big one.
We need to get a take over sorted as soon as possible. Looks like Dozy is a no no. But we need someone and soon if Princy wants to move on.

Feel free to tell me my figures are bollocks. But what are others thoughts on him staying or leaving.

Your figures are bollocks.

And that's a Fallowfield fact. (Your bestie)

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Thread title "Should Ndiaye stay or should Ndiaye go?" was right there for the taking.

Biggest open goal missed since Sammon.

 

[Swannyblade]

Keep him for a year. If he keeps us up and leaves on a free, it will be worth more to us than any fee we can get with only one year left on his contract. Best case scenario is we'll be safe in the Prem for another year with the riches it brings and he'll get a big fat signing on fee from whoever he moves to.

 

[Mouth of the South]

His reps have apparently refused the invitation to discuss extending his contract and PH is quoted as saying they "have other plans for him".
Therefore it's unlikely he'll stay beyond 2024 no matter how much the club plan to offer.
Your figures don't include any signing bonus which would be significant.
Depending on how Utd get on next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold in Jan. I can't envisage him going this summer unless someone makes a BIG offer and/or a BIG club come in for him and he agitates for a move.

 

[wak1889]

His reps have apparently refused the invitation to discuss extending his contract and PH is quoted as saying they "have other plans for him".
Therefore it's unlikely he'll stay beyond 2024 no matter how much the club plan to offer.
Your figures don't include any signing bonus which would be significant.
Depending on how Utd get on next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold in Jan. I can't envisage him going this summer unless someone makes a BIG offer and/or a BIG club come in for him and he agitates for a move.

Ndiaye wants to play for Marseille, if they come in for him in pre season he will go, if they are not interested he might stay

 

[Stu_Blade]

His reps have apparently refused the invitation to discuss extending his contract and PH is quoted as saying they "have other plans for him".
Therefore it's unlikely he'll stay beyond 2024 no matter how much the club plan to offer.
Your figures don't include any signing bonus which would be significant.
Depending on how Utd get on next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold in Jan. I can't envisage him going this summer unless someone makes a BIG offer and/or a BIG club come in for him and he agitates for a move.

If that is the case which i personally do think it would be due to his talent. It doesn't give us any incentive to pin him down to an expensive contract. If a biggish money does come knocking especially if abroad be very tempting to cash in anything £25million+ as you could be looking at bringing in a replacement or 2 to look to cover the system. In an ideal world he would be on a £100Billion release clause on a 10 year deal but we aren't the NFL!

 

[brownblade]

Ndiaye wants to play for Marseille, if they come in for him in pre season he will go, if they are not interested he might stay

Only if they offer £20+ mill. Minimum. We're not going to give him away, even with only a year left. We want to keep him.

As much as he said he'd like to play for Marseille, I can't help but assume he'd like to play in the Premier League.

It's annoying Marseille are going to be in the Champs League next season, relative to this possibility.

 

[Eza Blade]

Can we stop gaslighting the greatest goal scorer at the lane of my life time with Ndiaye threads. Black arm band time

 

[Barney Rubble]

His reps have apparently refused the invitation to discuss extending his contract and PH is quoted as saying they "have other plans for him".
Therefore it's unlikely he'll stay beyond 2024 no matter how much the club plan to offer.
Your figures don't include any signing bonus which would be significant.
Depending on how Utd get on next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold in Jan. I can't envisage him going this summer unless someone makes a BIG offer and/or a BIG club come in for him and he agitates for a move.

His reps didn't want to negotiate when we were in the championship - maybe they didn't want to be tied down if we didn't go up. The situation is different now we're a premiership team.
I get that he may still intend to leave and if we got relegated I'm sure he would go and we would want to sell him.
If their stance is that they still won't discuss it I think they're letting the player down. We can keep him for at least the next 12 months and he's supposedly on a low salary, if he has a JOC type injury in that time then he's blown it financially.

Negotiating a new deal with release clauses should make sense to both parties - he's the only affordable option we've got for a player of his quality.
The only reason I can think of that his reps won't come to the table is that they are still pissed off at the way that the contract negotiations dragged on last time, when we refused to play him.

 

[NateDogg]

Keep him for a year. If he keeps us up and leaves on a free, it will be worth more to us than any fee we can get with only one year left on his contract. Best case scenario is we'll be safe in the Prem for another year with the riches it brings and he'll get a big fat signing on fee from whoever he moves to.

I'd probably base this decision on worst case scenario rather than best. If we don't sell him and go down anyway it'll be one of the worst decisions ever made.

However, I've said this on another thread before, surely he has a say in this, not just his advisors.

If he's told them he wants to leave fair enough but If they are the usual parasite money grabbing agents trying to make money and encouraging players to make a fuss then why can't he say he wants to stay another year?

Understandably without our Blades bias clouding any judgement if he gets offered 5 times whatever we can offer then what can we possibly go back to him with? Who would blame him for leaving?

 

[just ted]

Can we stop gaslighting the greatest goal scorer at the lane of my life time with Ndiaye threads. Black arm band time

Most skilful, most talented, most potential, most enjoyable to watch - lots of ‘mosts’ but, for me, not the greatest goal scorer (yet).

 

[Swannyblade]

I'd probably base this decision on worst case scenario rather than best. If we don't sell him and go down anyway it'll be one of the worst decisions ever made.

However, I've said this on another thread before, surely he has a say in this, not just his advisors.

If he's told them he wants to leave fair enough but If they are the usual parasite money grabbing agents trying to make money and encouraging players to make a fuss then why can't he say he wants to stay another year?

Understandably without our Blades bias clouding any judgement if he gets offered 5 times whatever we can offer then what can we possibly go back to him with? Who would blame him for leaving?

But he's only got one year on his contract, so we're not going to command a large fee unless there's a bidding war. If we get offered big sums of money then obviously we should accept, anything less than £20mil and I'd take the gamble to keep him and back him to keep us up.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Lots here about Billy, Fleck and Stevens probably not having renewed contracts.
But the big one for me is NDiaye. I know he has one year on his contract remaining. The questions being asked are, cash in now, or hold him to his contract and get nothing.
Spurs are the latest club said to be hovering about and being ready to swoop.
If you look at their squad, four fifths of them are on £100,00 a week or less. So I cant see them offering NDiaye more than that.
For me it would be a no brainer to break our wage cap and offer him £80,000/£100,000 a week for over the next two years. That would work out at just a bit more than £10,000,000 over the next two years. Where is anyone going to get a player of his capabilites for that kind of money?
I'd be interested to hear any suggestions of alternative players, as good, for that money.
Theres probably more to it than just the money. And as I understand, its not him, its his 'advisors' that are stalling on a new deal. (Im not an ITK er)
At the moment we have no idea what Hecky will get for a budget. Except its not going to be a big one.
We need to get a take over sorted as soon as possible. Looks like Dozy is a no no. But we need someone and soon if Princy wants to move on.

Feel free to tell me my figures are bollocks. But what are others thoughts on him staying or leaving.

I don't think it's anything to do with money for Ndiaye. He's in a rush to get to the highest level he can. Keeping his fee down due to contract status increases the likelihood that ine of the bigger clubs in Europe takes a chance on him

 

[buddy]

Lots here about Billy, Fleck and Stevens probably not having renewed contracts.
But the big one for me is NDiaye. I know he has one year on his contract remaining. The questions being asked are, cash in now, or hold him to his contract and get nothing.
Spurs are the latest club said to be hovering about and being ready to swoop.
If you look at their squad, four fifths of them are on £100,00 a week or less. So I cant see them offering NDiaye more than that.
For me it would be a no brainer to break our wage cap and offer him £80,000/£100,000 a week for over the next two years. That would work out at just a bit more than £10,000,000 over the next two years. Where is anyone going to get a player of his capabilites for that kind of money?
I'd be interested to hear any suggestions of alternative players, as good, for that money.
Theres probably more to it than just the money. And as I understand, its not him, its his 'advisors' that are stalling on a new deal. (Im not an ITK er)
At the moment we have no idea what Hecky will get for a budget. Except its not going to be a big one.
We need to get a take over sorted as soon as possible. Looks like Dozy is a no no. But we need someone and soon if Princy wants to move on.

Feel free to tell me my figures are bollocks. But what are others thoughts on him staying or leaving.

If we are serious about competing in the prem and trying to stay there ,its a no brainer to try everything to keep the only player we have who is impossible for us to replace . If we have to raise cash i think we could get better value than Berge offers for the money ,there is no guarantee he will perform any better next season .

 

[Charlieblade]

Please don’t sell him to Everton, Leeds or Forest.

Such a waste.

 

[CPB]

His reps have apparently refused the invitation to discuss extending his contract and PH is quoted as saying they "have other plans for him".
Therefore it's unlikely he'll stay beyond 2024 no matter how much the club plan to offer.
Your figures don't include any signing bonus which would be significant.
Depending on how Utd get on next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he's sold in Jan. I can't envisage him going this summer unless someone makes a BIG offer and/or a BIG club come in for him and he agitates for a move.

This was back in November though, before the January window and also before our embargo too.

Not saying he will deffo stay and sign a new deal but that was when Hecky was wanting to tie him down last year. Thing is given the finances the club had then as well not sure we could even have afforded to give him a half reasonable upgrade to his deal.

Bit different now, but equally his stock has continued to rise as well.

 

[Sneinton Blade 1952]

I've said before, in my opinion Iliman is a class act above Gibbs-White, who went to the Scabs for £25m plus £17m add ons. So if we did agree to sell him this summer, and I hope we don't, it should be for no less than £42m.

 

[jt64]

The very first thing the club should be doing is to be making Ndiaye the highest paid player in the club's history with the proviso he extends to the end of the 2024/25 season, offering him assurances that we won't stand in his way if he wants to leave after the end of 23/24 (include a relegation release clause as needed). Otherwise, just let his contract run out.

He gets to move on at the end of next season to a bigger club regardless - he's just setting several million on fire if he (or, more accurately in all likelihood, his agent) doesn't want to cooperate, and we've at least tried to protect the value of the 12 months left on the contract. We cannot sell him this summer under any realistic circumstance

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Ndiaye not in the same conversation as the released list. He will only go if we get a big offer.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I've said before, in my opinion Iliman is a class act above Gibbs-White, who went to the Scabs for £25m plus £17m add ons. So if we did agree to sell him this summer, and I hope we don't, it should be for no less than £42m.

Know what you mean but MGW was on a long contract at Wolves, so they could expect full valuation.

The price for MGW is £25 million + £10 million for staying up + £7 million for reaching Europe and playing so many international games whilst at Forest.
If Forest are relegated this season then they'll only pay £25 mill for MGW.

However even if we say N'Diaye is normally worth £40 million.
As he's now approaching his final year his value substantially drops, we'll do well to get bids of £15 million for him this Summer.
Any interested club can just wait a season and get him for £0.00 next year.

 

[paidsy]

It's not worth us selling at this point. We won't be getting bids anywhere near his true value and we clearly won't be able to replace what he brings. Enjoy him for one final season. This is the downside to the free transfers game really.

 

[Sneinton Blade 1952]

Know what you mean but MGW was on a long contract at Wolves, so they could expect full valuation.

The price for MGW is £25 million + £10 million for staying up + £7 million for reaching Europe and playing so many international games whilst at Forest.
If Forest are relegated this season then they'll only pay £25 mill for MGW.

However even if we say N'Diaye is normally worth £40 million.
As he's now approaching his final year his value substantially drops, we'll do well to get bids of £15 million for him this Summer.
Any interested club can just wait a season and get him for £0.00 next year.

Take your points Sheffsteel. I was being idealistic I guess. Mind you, all this debate about selling our best player so soon after winning promotion back to the top flight is quite bizarre really - I cannot recall this happening the last time we were promoted. Guess it just emphasises how much of a talent we have on our hands this time round in Iliman Ndiaye ...

 

[madeinsheffield]

Should be enough brains at the Lane to extend his current deal, meaning when he does go (it will happen) he still gets a good move, and we get a bucketfull of cash.

New club are also buying potential, he’s still young and will get even better

 

[Gretsch Blade]

Should be enough brains at the Lane to extend his current deal, meaning when he does go (it will happen) he still gets a good move, and we get a bucketfull of cash.

New club are also buying potential, he’s still young and will get even better

Indeed.
PA has already proved himself an astute businessman and expert player statistician (eg. Recent interview on EPL fantasy league & knows his players) therefore, no doubt he'll know his most prized assets.

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

Best player I’ve ever seen at the Lane But - if he won’t extend we have to sell him this summer.
We can’t afford to let an asset worth £20-£25m leave for nothing, we just can’t.
Re-invest the cash and yes we won’t be able to get anyone as good but it will benefit us more in the next 3-4 years.

 

[Dan Emery]

If that asset contributes to keeping us up next season then we absolutely can because the £20-£25million then pales into insignificance

Best player I’ve ever seen at the Lane But - if he won’t extend we have to sell him this summer.
We can’t afford to let an asset worth £20-£25m leave for nothing, we just can’t.
Re-invest the cash and yes we won’t be able to get anyone as good but it will benefit us more in the next 3-4 years.

 

[robbiez666]

Best player I’ve ever seen at the Lane But - if he won’t extend we have to sell him this summer.
We can’t afford to let an asset worth £20-£25m leave for nothing, we just can’t.
Re-invest the cash and yes we won’t be able to get anyone as good but it will benefit us more in the next 3-4 years.

This really. We can hope for more but he's got 1.5 good seasons in the Championship and 1 year left. Not proved he can do it at the highest level yet and very ambitious. Ambitious enough to stay on a low contract instead of signing a new one. I suspect he will almost certainly leave if a decent Premier League or top Ligue 1 team comes in with a good offer. And fair play to him if he does.

 

[Flumps]

Personally think we may see him go in Jan at the earliest.

I've nothing but praise for the lad but we have yet to see him at prem level and I don't think a club will gamble the money we deem him worth on an amazing player at championship level.

I've very little to no doubt he'll shine next season if he gets his chance and clubs will come for him but I imagine we'll still have him for half a season.

Him, Berge, Mcatee, Doyle and Anel in the prem will be such a pleasure to watch. Even if they flop just seeing them being part of a squad they've all had key roles in promoting would be wonderful. Not to discredit any of the other players of course.

 

[reedy63]

Ili Ndiaye is our best player the club should all they can do to keep him double his wage. we have a better chance of staying in the Premier League with him in our team.
Sander Berge, Anel Ahmedhodzic, and John Egan we must keep them as well. if we can get the Man City lads Doyle and Mcatee on loan for another season. that will also give us a chance of staying up.