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This report with due respect Pom’s is irrelevant, like the match , our 2 dumb players gave it away , we will go up after this , it will make the players want it more on Saturday I am sure of it !
 



Second!
Baffled by the decision to take Robinson off rather than McBurnie. Burnley reallly didn’t threaten and I think we could have played out a 0-0 draw. Wes’s moment of madness could be very costly as we now have to cope with Davies during his suspension.
Hadn’t JLT already been booked? That would have influenced the decision.
 
Totally agree. He was his usual waste of space.

Norwood isn’t a wast of space he is fantastic player when he has free reign of midfield

When he has to win a midfield scrap to dictate he can look lost

He was successful for us under wilder because the formation was set up for him to dictate

Maybe other teams didn’t which is why Fulham/Brighton got rid as soon as they went up
 
Bogle and Norwood 1/10

The play and presence in the match post red card, looks like what might transpire with all 11 on the pitch v Man City

Not as worried about Davies being in goal as much as some who have posted.

Took the wrong player off to bring on Davies

Move along quickly to Saturday

Sky TV are forever promoting their technological innovations yet that still can’t provide a much needed mute Andy Hinchcliffe button.
 
Hadn’t JLT already been booked? That would have influenced the decision.
No. Robinson was taken off as a spur of the moment decision by Heckingbottom that I'm sure he will regret when he reflects on it.

The obvious choice was to take Bogle off. He may have done little wrong but the move to a back four would have worked better with Baldock at RB and Robinson at LB. Drop Ndiaye to the left wing when defending to make it a 4-4-1, dig in and hope for a set piece.

Edit: another change (at half time maybe to save professional price) should have been Basham for Norwood. We needed Basham's mobility more than Norwood's possessional profligacy.
 
The management’s response to the sending-off was bizarre in all respects.

Having been reduced to 10 men, it was pointless leaving 2 strikers on the pitch when we were suddenly faced with seeing next to no possession. The strikers duly saw hardly anything of the ball.

Self-evidently, when reduced to 10 men, you need to put in additional effort to try to negate being a man short. In those circumstances, on what basis would anyone leave Norwood - our least mobile and slowest player - on the pitch?

You need your most committed and combative players on the pitch. In a tantrum, the manager took one of ours off.

Finally, there is a good chance that set-pieces will be the best bet for a goal when seeing hardly anything of the ball. Taking Robinson off removed the threat of long-throws - despite Burnley having shown that they are fragile under high balls - which seemed a pretty brainless move.

Which striker would you take off? McBurnie wins more defensive headers at set pieces than anyone, and Ndiaye is our main (some would say only) attacking threat and a class above any other player we have.

So leaving them both on was wise, but it should have been the attacking full back Bogle who was canned even though Robinson kind of deserved it for his part in that monumental fuck up where he allowed himself to be pushed off the ball. But he should have stayed on.

Ndiaye should then have been brought back more into midfield, on the right.

But it's a difficult call when you've got about a minute to decide what to do
 
I think the first 15-20 minutes proved we could match them if not go on and win. Burnley were crap. Think they only had one or two shots on goal in the first half and 25 minutes of that we were down to 10 men.

Their first goal Ashley Barnes looked offside to me (clutching at straws) but their goals came from our mistakes more like. Hardly a drubbing was it. No we did that to them 5-2 with 11 v 11 last time.

Burnley were crap. According to Sky they were the best team in the world.
that twat commentating wants pissing on - he spent minutes cracking on about some Motherwell chant or something.
 
Spot on report if a little generous to one or two players. In the mood I was in last night I refrained from posting much but I wake up this morning and I'm still seething at dumb and dumber. If anything good comes out of last nights shit show it should be the signalling of the end of those two's Sheffield United careers. Not sure WTF Wes was thinking but obviously he has no trust in JLT to deal with a ball going nowhere with good reason I suppose JLT has fucked up these situations before think back to bonfire night. JLT all he has to do is launch it into row Z but between then they let that little midget in. Bad enough they have handed the game and League title to Burnley but they have put promotion in jeopardy we have to suffer going into the next two games with our #2 keeper and a kid as cover. Would serve Wes right if Davies has a couple of stormers and gets the nod to play at Wembley. Whatever happens we need shut of these two in the summer, not good enough they let themselves and the club down, makes me sick when you have players like Baldock, Basham, Sharp etc who'd run through brick walls for the club to be let down like this. I cant begin to think why Clark can't get a game if only to move JTL to the left to let Baldock replace Bogle who has been shit for weeks. Norwood seems to be tripping over his bottom lip since Doyle took his place too, that's a couple there who need some Timpson up their arse.
I can understand your frustration with Wes and JLT but I do think JLT gives us something no other WB does. Namely the " shit- that ball is mine attitude". All the more puzzling why he didn't just say " Fuck off Wes -this is going in Row Z"
 
Tonight was always going to be a tasty tie with Burnley already up yet intimating at revenge for the drubbing we gave them on Bonfire Night at the Lane. In fairness given the first twenty minutes where despite some disappointing changes bringing Norwood in for McAtee one would imagine to strengthen the middle of the park we looked like matching them and taking the draw the whole way through if not even winning the game. Individual errors lost us tonight's match and with the loss of Fodders and reliance on shit-ye-pants Davies I am just hoping he's ready now to atone for his reliable unreliability, as shown tonight.

The red card was a red card, anyday. What the fuck Fodders was doing going for the same ball Robinson had covered is anyone's guess but Fodders has that in him, if it's not tardiness with backpasses (I think Puuki almost caught him out and last season he had one catch him out for a goal didn't he?) or the puzzling propensity not to stay in his area and let the defender do the legwork. Robinson also should have put the ball in the stands like Baldock did later on. There is just no excuse for that and the end result, us matching them with eleven and then resorting to being stretched with a 4-3-2 is all their fault. They deserved to go for it, Fodders for a shower and Robbo in the dugout. They should fucking learn to get the communications right and not let one player beat two when the options were there. That said, our fallback formation did well to soak Burnley up until half time but you knew they would turn the thumbscrews in the second half and stretch up across the pitch. The back four played extremely narrow which put a lot of responsibility on Doyle and Berge to chase the nippy wingers. I do think we should have sacrificed one of the front two and gone 5-3-1 from 50 with Clark on the bench to slot in the LCB role. Staying at four at the back showed how poor we can be though with Bogle practically hopeless all night and Egan and Anel looking like their heads were spinning and deeply uncomfortable with the setup as Burnley pressed. Their first goal was another error, this time by Bogle failing to cut out a deep cross and up steps Gudmunsson to show us how to drill a ball in - McAtee, NDaiye and Sharp take note from Friday v Wigan. Second goal was classic sub goalkeeper stuff and indicative as to why we should get shut of Davies next season. Far post cross, beats him, knocked into the six yard box with three men on the line covering and Egan meekly heads it to Gumunsson again for him to batter home. Game effectively over built on shit judgements and in fact ghosts in the machine. Hecky chucked on subs but by that time we were done and dusted and deserved to be beaten.

Foderingham 1/10: Effectively cost us anything in this game, a least one point. The Premier League will definitely be less forgiving, ask Ramsdale when he was with us
Davies 5/10: Couple of decent saves but loses a point for sheer shitpantness and poor judgement for their second
Baldock 6/10: Did okay but wasn't happy out on the left both tonight and on Friday. Needs to get his old billet back
Anel 6/10: Did what he could in a stretched defence, but way below what he was on Friday attacking from the back
Egan 4.5/10: Fragile at times and clearly hates a four man defence. Gave them their second goal with a weak header back into the action zone
Robinson 2/10: Equally culpable for the red card and deservedly dragged off
Bogle 1/10: A shockingly poor game for him. Error prone and exposed. Poor going forward and poor defending. What the fuck has happened to him?
Berge 6/10: Decent workmanlike performance. Worked hard to cover for Bogle and got stuck in where he could.
Norwood 5/10: Only just. Seemed like a downgrade in CM from Doyle last match. Just doesn't have the range of skills and vision and is still a fuck up waiting to happen
Doyle 6.5/10: Another good game if limited to battling rather than using his skills to build from the back and intercept attacks.
NDaiye 5/10: Denied anything as we strove to defend and found himself back down deep at times shoring up as an auxiliary midfielder
McBurnie 3/10: Got nothing. This mark isn't an indication of his performance more the lack of supply he got after the sending off

Osula 5/10: All alone up top and tried to press and hassle but he was nowhere near anything productive
Sharp 4/10: Another performance trying to impose but robbed of involvement
Fleck 4/10: Nothing from him really
Basham 6/10: First touch a forward header on the attack and second a key clearance in our box. Just watch him. Have a look how he reads the game and exactly what he does to change it.

HJ&SMcC 5/10: Could only do what they could with what they had against on paper, afar better, more capable team across the park. They need to get back inside the players heads now and come back ready to destroy a poor Cardiff at the Lane and not struggle to beat them like we did against Wigan. We can afford to lose one more game, that's it. Second wind and dig deep.

pommpey
Agree

What would you have done at the time following the red?

I’d have still gone to a back 4, but taken Bogle off. George on the right, Robbo on the left. Plenty of aggression and defensive capability on the pitch. You?

Can’t compensate for a flapping keeper moment though, sadly
 
No. Robinson was taken off as a spur of the moment decision by Heckingbottom that I'm sure he will regret when he reflects on it.

The obvious choice was to take Bogle off. He may have done little wrong but the move to a back four would have worked better with Baldock at RB and Robinson at LB. Drop Ndiaye to the left wing when defending to make it a 4-4-1, dig in and hope for a set piece.

Edit: another change (at half time maybe to save professional price) should have been Basham for Norwood. We needed Basham's mobility more than Norwood's possessional profligacy.
A like for the use of the last word of your post.
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Agree

What would you have done at the time following the red?

I’d have still gone to a back 4, but taken Bogle off. George on the right, Robbo on the left. Plenty of aggression and defensive capability on the pitch. You?

Can’t compensate for a flapping keeper moment though, sadly

I may have left Robinson on, pushed him wide to LWB and brought Clark on for LCB. With Baldock back in at RWB we'd have been far more resilient. We tended to look like this

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

--------------Bogle--Anel--Egan--Baldock---------------

-----Berge--------------Norwood---------------Doyle---

--------------------------NDaiye--------------------------

--------------------------McBurnie-----------------------

When they attacked, leaving their wingers to be dealt with by Berge and Doyle, rather than Bogle and Baldock

We should have really gone

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

Baldock--------Anel------Egan----------Clark---------JLT

-------------Basham------Doyle-------Berge-------------

----------------------------NDaiye------------------------


Which would have made it very difficult for them to get any stranglehold or get part-chances and force individual errors, especially if George and JLT don't venture much past the halfway line. That midfield could also play in each other's pockets including NDaiye

pommpey
 
I may have left Robinson on, pushed him wide to LWB and brought Clark on for LCB. With Baldock back in at RWB we'd have been far more resilient. We tended to look like this

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

--------------Bogle--Anel--Egan--Baldock---------------

-----Berge--------------Norwood---------------Doyle---

--------------------------NDaiye--------------------------

--------------------------McBurnie-----------------------

When they attacked, leaving their wingers to be dealt with by Berge and Doyle, rather than Bogle and Baldock

We should have really gone

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

Baldock--------Anel------Egan----------Clark---------JLT

-------------Basham------Doyle-------Berge-------------

----------------------------NDaiye------------------------


Which would have made it very difficult for them to get any stranglehold or get part-chances and force individual errors, especially if George and JLT don't venture much past the halfway line. That midfield could also play in each other's pockets including NDaiye

pommpey
Makes you wonder what the f is going on with Clark in training that he is unpickabke
 
Unless one of them 'fesses up, it looked like Wes called his ball and JLT pulled out - had Wes called and flown in JLT might have broken his leg going for the hoof to Row Z. Hecky shouldn't have taken JLT off. Ludicrous to blame him, i thought they watched these things on iPads in the dugout ffs. Bogle should have gone off in the first instance, moving Baldock over, for a 3-4-2 attacking 4-3-2 defending, maybe switching a striker for Basham and going 4-4-1. Instead, we took off someone who provides a threat from long throws - possibly our best chance at getting the ball in the 6 yard box/ penalty spot area as Bogle and Berge were hopeless at pinpointing crosses in (Baldock may have faired better on the right) and Doyle/Norwoods corners all seemed to be under or over-hit, was the only naturally left footed player in the 11(10) and a player who when involved in a disaster, tends to work his knackers off and atone for his errors with a goal at the other end. Everyone is saying Norwood/Doyle and the starting 11 in general was working but we didn't make much of any attacking threat and N/D were getting under each other's feet. I'd much rather have gone for the win/draw last night than give Norwood pitch time ahead of the inevitable semi final trouncing when he will get his place back.
 
Great report Pommpey. Reght fuck up by Wes he should have never got involved Robbo just needed to boot the ball to Row fuckingZ.the sending-off was correct. changed the game no way we were going to hold Burnley off for the rest of the game. The bigger picture means we need ten points as it stands. Four home games on the trot at Bramall Lane.will be nervy but we will be celebrating UTB.
 
I may have left Robinson on, pushed him wide to LWB and brought Clark on for LCB. With Baldock back in at RWB we'd have been far more resilient. We tended to look like this

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

--------------Bogle--Anel--Egan--Baldock---------------

-----Berge--------------Norwood---------------Doyle---

--------------------------NDaiye--------------------------

--------------------------McBurnie-----------------------

When they attacked, leaving their wingers to be dealt with by Berge and Doyle, rather than Bogle and Baldock

We should have really gone

--------------------------Davies----------------------------

Baldock--------Anel------Egan----------Clark---------JLT

-------------Basham------Doyle-------Berge-------------

----------------------------NDaiye------------------------


Which would have made it very difficult for them to get any stranglehold or get part-chances and force individual errors, especially if George and JLT don't venture much past the halfway line. That midfield could also play in each other's pockets including NDaiye

pommpey
Pommpey what exactly is wrong with Max Lowe all i heard was he was ill but no-one has elaborated on it ?
Personally i hope hes back for sat so theres some balance on the left.
 
Norwood isn’t a wast of space he is fantastic player when he has free reign of midfield

When he has to win a midfield scrap to dictate he can look lost

There's the answer.
Pre-warn the opposition that they're not allowed to pressure him, and when he has plenty of time to think, hope he doesn't float too many hollywood passes straight into touch or hit most of his shots way off target, and stop making stoopid blind passes, and he'll go on forever.
 
There's the answer.
Pre-warn the opposition that they're not allowed to pressure him, and when he has plenty of time to think, hope he doesn't float too many hollywood passes straight into touch or hit most of his shots way off target, and stop making stoopid blind passes, and he'll go on forever.
The idea of Norwood in our midfield in the PL is scary 😧
 
Pommpey what exactly is wrong with Max Lowe all i heard was he was ill but no-one has elaborated on it ?
Personally i hope hes back for sat so theres some balance on the left.

No idea Bangor. 'Fell ill during training' is a universally accepted diktat at the moment but possibly 'fell off somebody's shoulders whilst hammered at a stag do' could be propositioned.

Oh, hang on ....

pommpey
 
No idea Bangor. 'Fell ill during training' is a universally accepted diktat at the moment but possibly 'fell off somebody's shoulders whilst hammered at a stag do' could be propositioned.

Oh, hang on ....

pommpey
It was simpler back in the old days when a black eye tended to be the result of a disagreement over a late night card game in the Cricks……
 
Was an absolute disaster class with Fodders & Robbo for the sending off, in my opinion it was fodders at fault (League 1 Wes very appropriate chant)
But it was another very strange lineup from the off..
Absolutely ridiculous decision putting Norwood back in, who was beyond woeful and meant that we were going to be slow and be very one dimensional against a very good burnley outfit with an easy job of mopping up any hoof up top to McBurnie who’s form has fell off a cliff since November.

Ridiculous decision to bring off Robbo for Davies left us with no left footed defender on the field for 70 mins, seemed like Hecky wanted to punish Robbo instead of being tactical. I would have took off Bogle for Davies and stick Robbo left back with Baldock going back on the right for some sort of balance.

Timing of the treble substitution was a downright disgrace at 2-0. Nowhere near proactive enough. Should have been changes as soon as the first went in but yet Hecky brought on Billy who is knackered and young Will on for any bit of creativity we had on the pitch & brought on Tin Tin who has been nothing short of wank since Arsenal away in 2020 for Doyle who has been brilliant recently which made 0 sense as 5 days until the next game so need to really rest him.

Kompany credit to him could see that our full backs were absolutely horrendous in that first half so brought on 2 wingers at half time and they tore them both a new one. Probably something Hecky needs to improve on, and quick cause with Wes out for 2 games we’ve got Adam Davies in net. And after his performance the other night, I would rather Warwick Davies.
Form with Adam Davies in net is 1 win, 1 draw & 1 loss which doesn’t exactly breed confidence.

Utb
 



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