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Tonight was always going to be a tasty tie with Burnley already up yet intimating at revenge for the drubbing we gave them on Bonfire Night at the Lane. In fairness given the first twenty minutes where despite some disappointing changes bringing Norwood in for McAtee one would imagine to strengthen the middle of the park we looked like matching them and taking the draw the whole way through if not even winning the game. Individual errors lost us tonight's match and with the loss of Fodders and reliance on shit-ye-pants Davies I am just hoping he's ready now to atone for his reliable unreliability, as shown tonight.

The red card was a red card, anyday. What the fuck Fodders was doing going for the same ball Robinson had covered is anyone's guess but Fodders has that in him, if it's not tardiness with backpasses (I think Puuki almost caught him out and last season he had one catch him out for a goal didn't he?) or the puzzling propensity not to stay in his area and let the defender do the legwork. Robinson also should have put the ball in the stands like Baldock did later on. There is just no excuse for that and the end result, us matching them with eleven and then resorting to being stretched with a 4-3-2 is all their fault. They deserved to go for it, Fodders for a shower and Robbo in the dugout. They should fucking learn to get the communications right and not let one player beat two when the options were there. That said, our fallback formation did well to soak Burnley up until half time but you knew they would turn the thumbscrews in the second half and stretch up across the pitch. The back four played extremely narrow which put a lot of responsibility on Doyle and Berge to chase the nippy wingers. I do think we should have sacrificed one of the front two and gone 5-3-1 from 50 with Clark on the bench to slot in the LCB role. Staying at four at the back showed how poor we can be though with Bogle practically hopeless all night and Egan and Anel looking like their heads were spinning and deeply uncomfortable with the setup as Burnley pressed. Their first goal was another error, this time by Bogle failing to cut out a deep cross and up steps Gudmunsson to show us how to drill a ball in - McAtee, NDaiye and Sharp take note from Friday v Wigan. Second goal was classic sub goalkeeper stuff and indicative as to why we should get shut of Davies next season. Far post cross, beats him, knocked into the six yard box with three men on the line covering and Egan meekly heads it to Gumunsson again for him to batter home. Game effectively over built on shit judgements and in fact ghosts in the machine. Hecky chucked on subs but by that time we were done and dusted and deserved to be beaten.

Foderingham 1/10: Effectively cost us anything in this game, a least one point. The Premier League will definitely be less forgiving, ask Ramsdale when he was with us
Davies 5/10: Couple of decent saves but loses a point for sheer shitpantness and poor judgement for their second
Baldock 6/10: Did okay but wasn't happy out on the left both tonight and on Friday. Needs to get his old billet back
Anel 6/10: Did what he could in a stretched defence, but way below what he was on Friday attacking from the back
Egan 4.5/10: Fragile at times and clearly hates a four man defence. Gave them their second goal with a weak header back into the action zone
Robinson 2/10: Equally culpable for the red card and deservedly dragged off
Bogle 1/10: A shockingly poor game for him. Error prone and exposed. Poor going forward and poor defending. What the fuck has happened to him?
Berge 6/10: Decent workmanlike performance. Worked hard to cover for Bogle and got stuck in where he could.
Norwood 5/10: Only just. Seemed like a downgrade in CM from Doyle last match. Just doesn't have the range of skills and vision and is still a fuck up waiting to happen
Doyle 6.5/10: Another good game if limited to battling rather than using his skills to build from the back and intercept attacks.
NDaiye 5/10: Denied anything as we strove to defend and found himself back down deep at times shoring up as an auxiliary midfielder
McBurnie 3/10: Got nothing. This mark isn't an indication of his performance more the lack of supply he got after the sending off

Osula 5/10: All alone up top and tried to press and hassle but he was nowhere near anything productive
Sharp 4/10: Another performance trying to impose but robbed of involvement
Fleck 4/10: Nothing from him really
Basham 6/10: First touch a forward header on the attack and second a key clearance in our box. Just watch him. Have a look how he reads the game and exactly what he does to change it.

HJ&SMcC 5/10: Could only do what they could with what they had against on paper, afar better, more capable team across the park. They need to get back inside the players heads now and come back ready to destroy a poor Cardiff at the Lane and not struggle to beat them like we did against Wigan. We can afford to lose one more game, that's it. Second wind and dig deep.

pommpey
 



Second!
Baffled by the decision to take Robinson off rather than McBurnie. Burnley reallly didn’t threaten and I think we could have played out a 0-0 draw. Wes’s moment of madness could be very costly as we now have to cope with Davies during his suspension.
 
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Fourthskin

Good write up Pommps. What a jaw dropping cluster that was. I know he scored in the first fixture but I don’t think Robbo likes playing against Burnley.
And Davies’s flapperotomy for the second goal was also highly embarrassing. On the plus side we saw Rammers do that a few times too and look at where he is now…
 
Bogle at fault for both their goals - second goal he just left RWB position and wandered into middle , leaving Tella completely unmarked to head it across for Egan to gift the striker.
Bogle CANNOT defend - he just hasn't got any sense of where a defender needs to be.
And when he does , he fails to block the cross , leading to first goal.
If we play Bogle & Lowe as WBs in the PL , we will get mullered every week.
 
Keen Blade said:
Bogle at fault for both their goals - second goal he just left RWB position and wandered into middle , leaving Tella completely unmarked to head it across for Egan to gift the striker.
Bogle CANNOT defend - he just hasn't got any sense of where a defender needs to be.
And when he does , he fails to block the cross , leading to first goal.
If we play Bogle & Lowe as WBs in the PL , we will get mullered every week.
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Which we are all expecting anyway....
 
PaulHalfway said:
Just have to forget tonight, the sending off ruined the match totally, such a shame was looking forward to a top of the table clash to see how we would perform
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I think the first 15-20 minutes proved we could match them if not go on and win. Burnley were crap. Think they only had one or two shots on goal in the first half and 25 minutes of that we were down to 10 men.

Their first goal Ashley Barnes looked offside to me (clutching at straws) but their goals came from our mistakes more like. Hardly a drubbing was it. No we did that to them 5-2 with 11 v 11 last time.

Burnley were crap. According to Sky they were the best team in the world.
 
Generally correct there pommpey but I think you are being overly generous to Berge. Looks good now and them but takes the easy option most of the time and has no awareness when defending. The second goal he was just ball watching and didn't make any effort to try to put pressure on the scorer. The first goal. Bogle was asleep but if you watch the goal again you will see Berge run towards the player and for some reason just jumps in the air like he didn't want to get hit by the ball. The only time I have seen a jump like that is when players in the wall jump on a free kick. But free kicks are a dead ball from further distance and there is more room to get the ball up and then down in time. Berge is 6ft 5in. With his leap he looks like someone trying to prevent the ball reaching row Z.

The goals were mainly the fault of others, but with Bogle in the side you need a different player on that side of midfield because Bogle is like a headless chicken and Berge is doing a fine impression of a statue.
 
Davies was 1/10 for saves from two shots that were straight at him. Other than that, for a big bloke he's fucking terrified every time the ball comes near him. Bogle was at fault for both goals, I think he shuts his eyes when the ball's in our box. Norwood was shite and robbed us of seeing Doyle and Berge continue the good form from Friday and Hecky needs a long hard look at himself after that.

I'm used to us turning Arsenal over with ten men and Jags in the net when we're up against it, not laying down and taking it up the botty box like we did tonight.
 
I'm working on the basis that we manage to get the points for 2nd and that we are then favorites to comes down.

On our next trip the Premier League it does make you realise too that we need to invest in some longer term starters.

What is Wes going to be like in 2 years? He's the epitome of a player not quite cut for the top level. My long term view of top players is that whilst some may do remarkable things, for me, it's simply that they make better decisions. They do the basics better. Under what circumstances does the ball being wide left with two United players closest to it end up being advantage to the opposition?

In 12 months time none of that midfield is going to be there. I suppose Norwood night have an outside chance to be a Championship squad player.

Ndiaye won't be, barring some miracle.

Basham will be done, so will Billy though the signs are there already. Stevens too.

I'm a sense the trip to Wembley minus Doyle and McAtee feels like one last hurrah.

It's been a good era, but over the next 12 months the club needs some more heros.
 



Scares the shit out of me Davies, how can we have a keeper whose shit scared of the ball, fucking unbelievable!!
 
pommpey said:
Tonight was always going to be a tasty tie with Burnley already up yet intimating at revenge for the drubbing we gave them on Bonfire Night at the Lane. In fairness given the first twenty minutes where despite some disappointing changes bringing Norwood in for McAtee one would imagine to strengthen the middle of the park we looked like matching them and taking the draw the whole way through if not even winning the game. Individual errors lost us tonight's match and with the loss of Fodders and reliance on shit-ye-pants Davies I am just hoping he's ready now to atone for his reliable unreliability, as shown tonight.

The red card was a red card, anyday. What the fuck Fodders was doing going for the same ball Robinson had covered is anyone's guess but Fodders has that in him, if it's not tardiness with backpasses (I think Puuki almost caught him out and last season he had one catch him out for a goal didn't he?) or the puzzling propensity not to stay in his area and let the defender do the legwork. Robinson also should have put the ball in the stands like Baldock did later on. There is just no excuse for that and the end result, us matching them with eleven and then resorting to being stretched with a 4-3-2 is all their fault. They deserved to go for it, Fodders for a shower and Robbo in the dugout. They should fucking learn to get the communications right and not let one player beat two when the options were there. That said, our fallback formation did well to soak Burnley up until half time but you knew they would turn the thumbscrews in the second half and stretch up across the pitch. The back four played extremely narrow which put a lot of responsibility on Doyle and Berge to chase the nippy wingers. I do think we should have sacrificed one of the front two and gone 5-3-1 from 50 with Clark on the bench to slot in the LCB role. Staying at four at the back showed how poor we can be though with Bogle practically hopeless all night and Egan and Anel looking like their heads were spinning and deeply uncomfortable with the setup as Burnley pressed. Their first goal was another error, this time by Bogle failing to cut out a deep cross and up steps Gudmunsson to show us how to drill a ball in - McAtee, NDaiye and Sharp take note from Friday v Wigan. Second goal was classic sub goalkeeper stuff and indicative as to why we should get shut of Davies next season. Far post cross, beats him, knocked into the six yard box with three men on the line covering and Egan meekly heads it to Gumunsson again for him to batter home. Game effectively over built on shit judgements and in fact ghosts in the machine. Hecky chucked on subs but by that time we were done and dusted and deserved to be beaten.

Foderingham 1/10: Effectively cost us anything in this game, a least one point. The Premier League will definitely be less forgiving, ask Ramsdale when he was with us
Davies 5/10: Couple of decent saves but loses a point for sheer shitpantness and poor judgement for their second
Baldock 6/10: Did okay but wasn't happy out on the left both tonight and on Friday. Needs to get his old billet back
Anel 6/10: Did what he could in a stretched defence, but way below what he was on Friday attacking from the back
Egan 4.5/10: Fragile at times and clearly hates a four man defence. Gave them their second goal with a weak header back into the action zone
Robinson 2/10: Equally culpable for the red card and deservedly dragged off
Bogle 1/10: A shockingly poor game for him. Error prone and exposed. Poor going forward and poor defending. What the fuck has happened to him?
Berge 6/10: Decent workmanlike performance. Worked hard to cover for Bogle and got stuck in where he could.
Norwood 5/10: Only just. Seemed like a downgrade in CM from Doyle last match. Just doesn't have the range of skills and vision and is still a fuck up waiting to happen
Doyle 6.5/10: Another good game if limited to battling rather than using his skills to build from the back and intercept attacks.
NDaiye 5/10: Denied anything as we strove to defend and found himself back down deep at times shoring up as an auxiliary midfielder
McBurnie 3/10: Got nothing. This mark isn't an indication of his performance more the lack of supply he got after the sending off

Osula 5/10: All alone up top and tried to press and hassle but he was nowhere near anything productive
Sharp 4/10: Another performance trying to impose but robbed of involvement
Fleck 4/10: Nothing from him really
Basham 6/10: First touch a forward header on the attack and second a key clearance in our box. Just watch him. Have a look how he reads the game and exactly what he does to change it.

HJ&SMcC 5/10: Could only do what they could with what they had against on paper, afar better, more capable team across the park. They need to get back inside the players heads now and come back ready to destroy a poor Cardiff at the Lane and not struggle to beat them like we did against Wigan. We can afford to lose one more game, that's it. Second wind and dig deep.

pommpey
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Fair enough write-up though after that performance (avg score 4.25/10) I thought there’d be more swearing & some especially creative language that involved body parts - particularly the rude bits!
However, at 1/10, I do think Bogle’s score is a tad generous……
 
That was a game, next season we simply need to get points from, and therefore should be the benchmark of our future planning and strategy for how we'll set up next season.

Fuck me, we're going to have to have a very busy Summer. Again, without McAtee (and Jebbison up front) and Norwood and Berge in the engine room, it looked frickin static and turgid...
 
Champagneblade said:
I'm working on the basis that we manage to get the points for 2nd and that we are then favorites to comes down.

On our next trip the Premier League it does make you realise too that we need to invest in some longer term starters.

What is Wes going to be like in 2 years? He's the epitome of a player not quite cut for the top level. My long term view of top players is that whilst some may do remarkable things, for me, it's simply that they make better decisions. They do the basics better. Under what circumstances does the ball being wide left with two United players closest to it end up being advantage to the opposition?

In 12 months time none of that midfield is going to be there. I suppose Norwood night have an outside chance to be a Championship squad player.

Ndiaye won't be, barring some miracle.

Basham will be done, so will Billy though the signs are there already. Stevens too.

I'm a sense the trip to Wembley minus Doyle and McAtee feels like one last hurrah.

It's been a good era, but over the next 12 months the club needs some more heros.
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And of course, winning the next few matches won't alter that, but it will feel great. Terrible quality division, that and flashes of brilliance from Ndiaye and others, mean promotion is likely.
 
Nagima said:
Generally correct there pommpey but I think you are being overly generous to Berge. Looks good now and them but takes the easy option most of the time and has no awareness when defending. The second goal he was just ball watching and didn't make any effort to try to put pressure on the scorer. The first goal. Bogle was asleep but if you watch the goal again you will see Berge run towards the player and for some reason just jumps in the air like he didn't want to get hit by the ball. The only time I have seen a jump like that is when players in the wall jump on a free kick. But free kicks are a dead ball from further distance and there is more room to get the ball up and then down in time. Berge is 6ft 5in. With his leap he looks like someone trying to prevent the ball reaching row Z.

The goals were mainly the fault of others, but with Bogle in the side you need a different player on that side of midfield because Bogle is like a headless chicken and Berge is doing a fine impression of a statue.
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Agree with that. Playing with ten men required everyone to step up their work rate. If ndayie and mcburnie can run themselves into the ground up front then our midfield should be at least matching that effort. Berge sauntered around for much of the game as per. And his attempt at a block for the second goal was pathetic.
 
The management’s response to the sending-off was bizarre in all respects.

Having been reduced to 10 men, it was pointless leaving 2 strikers on the pitch when we were suddenly faced with seeing next to no possession. The strikers duly saw hardly anything of the ball.

Self-evidently, when reduced to 10 men, you need to put in additional effort to try to negate being a man short. In those circumstances, on what basis would anyone leave Norwood - our least mobile and slowest player - on the pitch?

You need your most committed and combative players on the pitch. In a tantrum, the manager took one of ours off.

Finally, there is a good chance that set-pieces will be the best bet for a goal when seeing hardly anything of the ball. Taking Robinson off removed the threat of long-throws - despite Burnley having shown that they are fragile under high balls - which seemed a pretty brainless move.
 
As soon as Fodders committed suicide it was game over what in fucks name was he thinking ?? , after that we offered nothing going forward lots of running but couldn’t keep the ball at all..
Bogle culpable on both goals with shocking positional sense & fkg Daveis all over the show on the second .
It’s not that we lost as prior to the game in always thought was would be always be difficult to get a result there , ironically we were more than holding our own up to the sending off it’s the fact we’ve gift wrapped them 2 goals . We’re now stuck with fkg scary Mary in between the sticks for 2 crucial home games and concerns me more .
Ahh well let’s put that one in room 101 & hopefully get the business done on Sat & Tues ⚔️
 
pommpey said:
Tonight was always going to be a tasty tie with Burnley already up yet intimating at revenge for the drubbing we gave them on Bonfire Night at the Lane. In fairness given the first twenty minutes where despite some disappointing changes bringing Norwood in for McAtee one would imagine to strengthen the middle of the park we looked like matching them and taking the draw the whole way through if not even winning the game. Individual errors lost us tonight's match and with the loss of Fodders and reliance on shit-ye-pants Davies I am just hoping he's ready now to atone for his reliable unreliability, as shown tonight.

The red card was a red card, anyday. What the fuck Fodders was doing going for the same ball Robinson had covered is anyone's guess but Fodders has that in him, if it's not tardiness with backpasses (I think Puuki almost caught him out and last season he had one catch him out for a goal didn't he?) or the puzzling propensity not to stay in his area and let the defender do the legwork. Robinson also should have put the ball in the stands like Baldock did later on. There is just no excuse for that and the end result, us matching them with eleven and then resorting to being stretched with a 4-3-2 is all their fault. They deserved to go for it, Fodders for a shower and Robbo in the dugout. They should fucking learn to get the communications right and not let one player beat two when the options were there. That said, our fallback formation did well to soak Burnley up until half time but you knew they would turn the thumbscrews in the second half and stretch up across the pitch. The back four played extremely narrow which put a lot of responsibility on Doyle and Berge to chase the nippy wingers. I do think we should have sacrificed one of the front two and gone 5-3-1 from 50 with Clark on the bench to slot in the LCB role. Staying at four at the back showed how poor we can be though with Bogle practically hopeless all night and Egan and Anel looking like their heads were spinning and deeply uncomfortable with the setup as Burnley pressed. Their first goal was another error, this time by Bogle failing to cut out a deep cross and up steps Gudmunsson to show us how to drill a ball in - McAtee, NDaiye and Sharp take note from Friday v Wigan. Second goal was classic sub goalkeeper stuff and indicative as to why we should get shut of Davies next season. Far post cross, beats him, knocked into the six yard box with three men on the line covering and Egan meekly heads it to Gumunsson again for him to batter home. Game effectively over built on shit judgements and in fact ghosts in the machine. Hecky chucked on subs but by that time we were done and dusted and deserved to be beaten.

Foderingham 1/10: Effectively cost us anything in this game, a least one point. The Premier League will definitely be less forgiving, ask Ramsdale when he was with us
Davies 5/10: Couple of decent saves but loses a point for sheer shitpantness and poor judgement for their second
Baldock 6/10: Did okay but wasn't happy out on the left both tonight and on Friday. Needs to get his old billet back
Anel 6/10: Did what he could in a stretched defence, but way below what he was on Friday attacking from the back
Egan 4.5/10: Fragile at times and clearly hates a four man defence. Gave them their second goal with a weak header back into the action zone
Robinson 2/10: Equally culpable for the red card and deservedly dragged off
Bogle 1/10: A shockingly poor game for him. Error prone and exposed. Poor going forward and poor defending. What the fuck has happened to him?
Berge 6/10: Decent workmanlike performance. Worked hard to cover for Bogle and got stuck in where he could.
Norwood 5/10: Only just. Seemed like a downgrade in CM from Doyle last match. Just doesn't have the range of skills and vision and is still a fuck up waiting to happen
Doyle 6.5/10: Another good game if limited to battling rather than using his skills to build from the back and intercept attacks.
NDaiye 5/10: Denied anything as we strove to defend and found himself back down deep at times shoring up as an auxiliary midfielder
McBurnie 3/10: Got nothing. This mark isn't an indication of his performance more the lack of supply he got after the sending off

Osula 5/10: All alone up top and tried to press and hassle but he was nowhere near anything productive
Sharp 4/10: Another performance trying to impose but robbed of involvement
Fleck 4/10: Nothing from him really
Basham 6/10: First touch a forward header on the attack and second a key clearance in our box. Just watch him. Have a look how he reads the game and exactly what he does to change it.

HJ&SMcC 5/10: Could only do what they could with what they had against on paper, afar better, more capable team across the park. They need to get back inside the players heads now and come back ready to destroy a poor Cardiff at the Lane and not struggle to beat them like we did against Wigan. We can afford to lose one more game, that's it. Second wind and dig deep.

pommpey
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Spot on report if a little generous to one or two players. In the mood I was in last night I refrained from posting much but I wake up this morning and I'm still seething at dumb and dumber. If anything good comes out of last nights shit show it should be the signalling of the end of those two's Sheffield United careers. Not sure WTF Wes was thinking but obviously he has no trust in JLT to deal with a ball going nowhere with good reason I suppose JLT has fucked up these situations before think back to bonfire night. JLT all he has to do is launch it into row Z but between then they let that little midget in. Bad enough they have handed the game and League title to Burnley but they have put promotion in jeopardy we have to suffer going into the next two games with our #2 keeper and a kid as cover. Would serve Wes right if Davies has a couple of stormers and gets the nod to play at Wembley. Whatever happens we need shut of these two in the summer, not good enough they let themselves and the club down, makes me sick when you have players like Baldock, Basham, Sharp etc who'd run through brick walls for the club to be let down like this. I cant begin to think why Clark can't get a game if only to move JTL to the left to let Baldock replace Bogle who has been shit for weeks. Norwood seems to be tripping over his bottom lip since Doyle took his place too, that's a couple there who need some Timpson up their arse.
 
we have to move on to cardiff odds were against us getting anything last night even with 11 i do think hecky is saving mcatee for these 4 home games coming up where our destiny will be decided but norwood has totally gone along with fleck i doubt either will be here in august but were just so short of options caused by the incompetence of our board landing us with an embargo in january if we could have signed archer and o brien we would have been up already
 



Bogle had literally fell off a cliff,I felt sorry for him last night,he looked totally out of place
 
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