My take ...

[ekke287]

 

[DronnieBlade]

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That pretty much sums up my reply Pomp’s.

Some terrific work by certain players that you just are not seeing.

Not making out for them to be worldie performances but 4s and 5s, which you dish out consistently to folks who have had 6 or 7 out of 10 games is demonstrating what I have previously stated.

Look back on your last 10 ratings for Sharp in particular and tell me otherwise !!

Without setting the world alight he HAS played a very important role for us this last few months.

UTB

 

[Geordie Blade]

Doyle did at least get stuck in. Some daft free kicks conceded but he looked determined and attack minded. That's why he got a point above.

Berge didn't.

pommpey

Stuck in with his zero tackles?
Determined and attack minded with his 27 touches (the lowest of any of our starters, bar Sharp), zero key passes, zero dribbles and zero crosses?

It’s all about opinions, of course.

 

[pommpey]

Stuck in with his zero tackles?
Determined and attack minded with his 27 touches (the lowest of any of our starters, bar Sharp), zero key passes, zero dribbles and zero crosses?

It’s all about opinions, of course.

It is, but I saw Doyle get into tackles at least five times. One of which he gave away a free kick which Warnock commented about.

The other thing notable was that whilst Norwood was doing his quarterback bit, Doyle was covering a lot of ground Berge wasn't.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

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Sharp at least tries to get in between players and the ball and gain possession. Berge, not so much

pommpey

 

[BouncinBlade]

Our midfield lacks pace, drive and athleticism and is far too easily bullied. Been saying it for three seasons. As a result we have to resort to hooof and we don’t have the presence and athleticism up front to play hoof ball. So we get long periods in games where we struggle for a foothold. Luckily we’ve got Ndiaye and McAtee who can sometimes run the length of the pitch and get us a goal.

Nonsense... We've never had as much athleticism. We are probably the most athletic club in the league. McAtee, Berge, wing backs Lowe & Bogle.

 

[PaulHalfway]

We desperately need a decent centre forward, hopefully McBurnie back after the Millwall match, but he is injury prone so for me a backup is required to finish the season
Must be someone decent even in league 1 who is mobile, quick and scoring a few goals

 

[PaulHalfway]

We deserved a draw, always going to be a battle after going a goal down, think we are all over critical at times
We are not going to win every game and have been on a fantastic run of wins, we are in a great position, ongoing injuries are hampering us and we need a decent centre forward to replace Billy.
One game at a time, but what a fantastic position to be with 20 odd games to go
Exciting times

 

[Houston_Blade]

I really don't get why people have to defend Berge's performance last night, he wasn't good at all. Doyle was worse though, I'll agree with that.

 

[pommpey]

We deserved a draw, always going to be a battle after going a goal down, think we are all over critical at times
We are not going to win every game and have been on a fantastic run of wins, we are in a great position, ongoing injuries are hampering us and we need a decent centre forward to replace Billy.
One game at a time, but what a fantastic position to be with 20 odd games to go
Exciting times

Next game, I'd like to see Jebbison start with McAtee and NDaiye as LAM and RAM behind him. With Bogle and Lowe out wide and Norwood as CDM it's possibly the best up-and-at-em choice we could have

pommpey

 

[Seth Rollins]

10 Dec 2022 - SUFC 1-0 HTFC: Berge plays crap. 'He's just coming back from injury'
19 Dec 2022 - WAFC 1-2 SUFCFC: Berge plays crap. 'He's just coming back from injury'
26 Dec 2022 - SUFC 1-0 CCFC: Berge plays crap. 'He's just coming back from injury'
29 Dec 2022 - BFC 1-0 SUFC: Berge plays crap. 'He's just coming back from injury'
02 Jan 2023 - QPR 1-1 SUFC: Berge plays crap. 'He's just coming back from injury'

How long are we allowed to trot this out, exactly? I mean, if he's not yet fixed and shielding summat, get him dropped. Let's face it, he was injured before the WC, had the five weeks also of the WC to heal, fix, train and condition so to me, he's either crocked or he's a fucking suitcase. And tonight be was a brown, shiny faux leather model with plastic handles and shit brass accessories held together by a nylon belt slowly chugging round the collection carousel number six at some distant, shitbox airport.

pommpey

We beat Coventry 3-1 and won 2-1 at Blackpool.

 

[ekke287]

Sharp at least tries to get in between players and the ball and gain possession. Berge, not so much

pommpey

That’s because Sharp is a striker, trying to win the ball back or create space.

Berge plays best as an attacking midfielder on the right, his strength is pushing forward with the ball and creating chances, which he tried last night. Some came off, some didn’t.

Did you see Berge lay it on a plate for Baldock to shoot last night? Did you see him win us corners in the last 15? Did you see him getting the ball to Jebbo on the back post?

Apparently you didn’t.

Like you also didn’t see him score v Blackpool apparently, as you’ve missed this off your earlier reply.

 

[pommpey]

That’s because Sharp is a striker, trying to win the ball back or create space.

Berge plays best as an attacking midfielder on the right, his strength is pushing forward with the ball and creating chances, which he tried last night. Some came off, some didn’t.

Did you see Berge lay it on a plate for Baldock to shoot last night? Did you see him win us corners in the last 15? Did you see him getting the ball to Jebbo on the back post?

Apparently you didn’t.

Like you also didn’t see him score v Blackpool apparently, as you’ve missed this off your earlier reply.

Yeah, saw all of that. For vast periods of the game last night, he was invisible, blowing round the middle of the park like a carrier bag in the wind. People say Doyle had a shit game. Yeah, he wasn't good. But at least he got himself in there and tried to make a difference. Berge just drifts in and out. Laying one ball of and getting a cross in aint 8/10 material for me. Neither is failing to jump for headers or not carrying the ball up the pitch, laying off and going into space to receive or just generally mixing it up to use your presence to dominate. And frankly, had he missed that goal against Blackpool (as he has with a few sitters recently) I wouldn't have been at all surprised. He's not exactly clinical in his finishing.

pommpey

 

[ancientblade]

Why isn’t Jebbison the answer ?
I realise last night is not enough to judge him on, but he looked good and scored some decent goals last season at Burton.
Give him a start at Millwall and see what he can do against an good, strong side.

i would give starts to 11 reserves if weve got enough for millwall the game with stoke a big game for us now

 

[ekke287]

Yeah, saw all of that. For vast periods of the game last night, he was invisible, blowing round the middle of the park like a carrier bag in the wind. People say Doyle had a shit game. Yeah, he wasn't good. But at least he got himself in there and tried to make a difference. Berge just drifts in and out. Laying one ball of and getting a cross in aint 8/10 material for me. Neither is failing to jump for headers or not carrying the ball up the pitch, laying off and going into space to receive or just generally mixing it up to use your presence to dominate. And frankly, had he missed that goal against Blackpool (as he has with a few sitters recently) I wouldn't have been at all surprised. He's not exactly clinical in his finishing.

pommpey

Because he isn’t a finisher. Or are you judging players based on their weaknesses compared to other players?

Sharp isn’t as good at defending as Egan, so he’s crap too right?

Ndiaye isn’t as good at finishing as Sharp, so he’s also crap right?

You’re entitled to your opinion, as we all are, but you’re proving your bias positively or negatively on a game by game basis.

 

[pommpey]

Because he isn’t a finisher. Or are you judging players based on their weaknesses compared to other players?

Sharp isn’t as good at defending as Egan, so he’s crap too right?

Ndiaye isn’t as good at finishing as Sharp, so he’s also crap right?

You’re entitled to your opinion, as we all are, but you’re proving your bias positively or negatively on a game by game basis.

'On a game by game basis'

Isn't that ... erm .. what 'My take ...' is?

I mean, it's Deadbat who does the end of seasons school report and all that

Oh and as for 'isn't a finisher', when you're eight yards out and balloon it over the bar, you deserve pelters.

pommpey

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Nonsense... We've never had as much athleticism. We are probably the most athletic club in the league. McAtee, Berge, wing backs Lowe & Bogle.

Berge - athletic???

Wow. I've read some pretty bonkers takes on these pages, but that's right up there!

 

[ekke287]

'On a game by game basis'

Isn't that ... erm .. what 'My take ...' is?

I mean, it's Deadbat who does the end of seasons school report and all that

Oh and as for 'isn't a finisher', when you're eight yards out and balloon it over the bar, you deserve pelters.

pommpey

I said “proving your bias on a game by game basis” which has nothing to do with what you’ve referenced as end of year reports.

I’ll simplify for you, as the games go on you’re making it obvious that some players can do no wrong and some can do no right.

Berge wasn’t invisible all game, but that doesn’t suit the narrative. So he was.

 

[Dkc]

We deserved a draw, always going to be a battle after going a goal down, think we are all over critical at times
We are not going to win every game and have been on a fantastic run of wins, we are in a great position, ongoing injuries are hampering us and we need a decent centre forward to replace Billy.
One game at a time, but what a fantastic position to be with 20 odd games to go
Exciting times

I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. It will be exciting to see the gap to 3rd gradually whittled away. We'll probably be back in the play off places by March, and in the final couple of games we'll be battling for sixth. Don't bet against us going up via the play-offs though.

 

[pommpey]

I said “proving your bias on a game by game basis” which has nothing to do with what you’ve referenced as end of year reports.

I’ll simplify for you, as the games go on you’re making it obvious that some players can do no wrong and some can do no right.

Berge wasn’t invisible all game, but that doesn’t suit the narrative. So he was.

And I'll simplify it for you

I expect Berge to do better. At twenty million he's spent a lot of his time coasting through games and on the treatment table. McBurnie has taken some flak in the past but at least he's doing his best to change that, when he's not injured that is.

Berge has a pivotal role in the sustenance of our promotion ambitions. He also has a role in playing against more adept and capable midfields in the PL. Last night's performance against a fairly vanilla midfield didn't give me much confidence. If that comes across as 'bias' then it's your problem, not mine. I can't blow sunshine out of the arse of an expensive midfield trinket when he is not making QPR suffer. And he didn't.

pommpey

 

[ekke287]

And I'll simplify it for you

I expect Berge to do better. At twenty million he's spent a lot of his time coasting through games and on the treatment table. McBurnie has taken some flak in the past but at least he's doing his best to change that, when he's not injured that is.

Berge has a pivotal role in the sustenance of our promotion ambitions. He also has a role in playing against more adept and capable midfields in the PL. Last night's performance against a fairly vanilla midfield didn't give me much confidence. If that comes across as 'bias' then it's your problem, not mine. I can't blow sunshine out of the arse of an expensive midfield trinket when he is not making QPR suffer. And he didn't.

pommpey

Based on last nights showing I expect all of our players to do better, regardless of price tag.

Every player is open to criticism, but you still seem to be missing the point. You criticise some players more than others, it’s that simple.

That’s your choice, but doesn’t add any balance when you’re looking from one side only.

 

[Houston_Blade]

You criticise some players more than others, it’s that simple.

Surely that's understandable?

If Ollie Arblaster comes in and plays like Berge did last night then for me it's "he's only a young lad from the academy, might be finding his feet". For Berge it's "we paid £22m for this lad, he's played in the CL and he's pretty much invisible against QPR".

It's more likely that Berge gets stick and Arblaster gets a pass, this is just the nature of football.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Well, yet another game where we are grateful for a result but despairing at the performance. Tonight we played like our 'usual selves', scrapping about the middle of table for the meagre hope we'll scrape into the playoffs only to be bummed in the first round because ... because ... because ...

It was over eighty five minutes a terrible game. First five we actually looked worth it and QPR, after being tonked by Luton last game at Loftus looked like they were in for another back-dooring. But after that we just slid off the plate like a sad pie and splattered all over the deck. The back three, now restored, looked like they were brand new out of the box and Egan simply gifted them a goal and from the moment it hit the back of our net, QPR smelled the same blood the last set of teams we have edged past did and we leak it with real abandon into a sea full of not very impressive sharks. Crap sharks, in fact.

QPR weren't, once again, very good or really worthy of a 1-0 lead right up into injury time but fuck me they made themselves known. Everywhere we looked or ventured, they had it covered. Not even changing the formation from 5-3-2 to what I assume was 4-3-1-2 gave us any traction. We either fed hopeful passes that were mopped up or we gave full control of the game to them and lacked any real urgency until someone must have said "Gaffer ... it's gone an hour ... d'you think you might do summat about the 'we're losing' situation?" Sure, we'd hooked Clarke for JLT, but that hardly gave us the grit needed to take the game to them for the next 45. QPR found it easy to play round us, through us and past us and we stayed firmly 'behind' for too long until Jebbison came on and offered some token resistance. QPR by this time, although tired, managed us really well even into some heartstopping final moments when eventually the dam broke and we snatched a late, late, barely deserved equaliser.

By tonight's performance alone, it's clear we are skating on thinning ice. Key, essential players tonight were still off their best and in other areas we are relying on veterans. It's an indication that during this JTW, we cannot simply sit on our hands and repeat the mantra that 'we have enough'. We don't, and what we have certainly won't be enough next season if we go up because the expected whirlwind most of us thought would happen four years ago will definitely happen from the first whistle in August if we continue to adopt the untidy attitudes shown tonight and rely on the talismanic skills of one or two whose future with us isn't guaranteed.

Foderingham 5/10: Continuing his flat spot. Unconvinging and hesitant tonight. He's not been the same since the WC
Baldock 4.5/10: Though he made his own game difficult by overthinking and overplaying at times
Anel 5/10: His game is suffering because in front of him and around him as we go forward, there is hesitancy and nervousness. Defending he was okay
Egan 4/10: Would have got 3/10 had it not been for the late goal. Tonight he was impossibly poor even for his recently fair-ish standards. And for fuck's sake ... their goal ...
Clark 5.5/10: Our best central three. Hope his injury isn't a doozie ... rumoured to be a hamstring though so won't hold my breath
Stevens 5/10: An improved but not flawless game for him. He did get forward and did get some goes on goal and an assist
Doyle 6/10: Grafted and at least tried to impose, if giving away daft fouls in the process. Quite why he was hooked, I have no idea
Norwood 7/10: Another improved performance. Between him and Doyle they marshalled the midfield on their own
Berge 3/10: The invisible man. Really hope people get the fucking message now
NDaiye 6.5/10: Dogged, determined and denied as he can't do this shit on his own
Sharp 4/10: Another one who, despite all his efforts, is just ineffective now in a game like this. His weak effort in the first half being case in question

McAtee 6.5/10: Despite some spirited runs, failed to impose and get round their pretty timid defence
Jebbison 7/10: Made us look an entirely different prospect, if again, ineffective
Bogle 5/10: Too late for any effect. Should have been on twenty minutes earlier. Absolutely no idea what the formation was by that time, mind

HJ&SMcC 4/10: Rescued a draw from the humiliation and gathering feeling we'll fuck this chance up. We won't of course ... but games like tonight are unwarranted and avoidable if he instils that oft mentioned killer instinct we have always lacked. No idea what formation he was meant to be playing late on but one point is better than zero. Play the kids next week vs Miwaw and get this lot back on the basics. And fr fuck's sake board, sign some fucking players, eh?

pommpey

A tired, going through the motions performance. A rest and a kick up the arse required.

 

[highgreeninjapan]

Cheers Pomps. Enjoyable and thought provoking read as always.

Sticking to stick to this game, my ratings would be something like:

Wes: 6/10 didn’t really have anything to do.
Baldock: 5/10 thought he was mostly fine defending, but we needed more poise on the ball, and not sure he created anything when on the ball. Thought Bogle should have been on a lot earlier.
Anel: 6/10 don’t remember much
Egan: 5.5/10 obvious feck up on the goal, but not sure he did too much else wrong, and he hit the ball well for the equalizer.
Clark: 6.5/10 thought he did what he was supposed to
Stevens: 6/10 good assist, and a little bit more bravery than recent games later on. Was good to see, although this itineration of Stevens still has the instinct to cut inside and go backwards.
Berge: 5/10 inconsistent. Some decent stuff on the ball, but we lost the midfield for a large period of the game, and he’s a big part of that.
Norwood: 6.5/10 my favourite player, but we lost midfield and he’s the anchorman. Didn’t hide and needed more from those around him. Set pieces weren’t as good as recently, or in fact, as good as they were in this game last year. Battled and was involved, which was more than any other midfielder.
Doyle: 3.5/10 he really did very very little. To be honest, I found it difficult to figure out where he and Berge were supposed to be playing. Whenever it was, he lost his battles and struggles to get involved after the first ten minutes.
Ndiaye: 5.5/10 didn’t really come off for him today. Liked him playing behind Sharp and Jebbo. We have to find more ways to get him on the ball.
Sharp: 5/10 not involved enough, missed a decent chance.

Robinson: 6/10 fine
McAtee: 6/10 some good stuff, runs, winning battles, but wants him on the ball more.
Jebbo: 6/10 encouraging. Made me want to see him play when we have a few people around to support him.
Bogle: NA he really should have been on earlier.

 

[ekke287]

Surely that's understandable?

If Ollie Arblaster comes in and plays like Berge did last night then for me it's "he's only a young lad from the academy, might be finding his feet". For Berge it's "we paid £22m for this lad, he's played in the CL and he's pretty much invisible against QPR".

It's more likely that Berge gets stick and Arblaster gets a pass, this is just the nature of football.

No, because I’m talking about the obvious bias, not informed criticism.

If you swap Berge and Sharps performances last night, would he be saying Sharp was invisible and Berge grafted? I highly doubt it.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

Doyle 6/10: Grafted and at least tried to impose, if giving away daft fouls in the process. Quite why he was hooked, I have no idea
Norwood 7/10: Another improved performance. Between him and Doyle they marshalled the midfield on their own
Berge 3/10: The invisible man. Really hope people get the fucking message now

This, once again, is comedy gold from our very own Tom Sharpe Wannabee. Doyle gets 6 and Berge gets 3. Doyle was twice as effective as Berge folks!! However, Doyle is on loan and Bege cost us £23m and has been dogged with injuries, so by Pomps logic you should probably switch those scores after applying the apparent Pomp Player-Rating Weighting Factor.

Repeated use of expletives and colourful yet comical use (and abuse) of English language helps Pomps to hit the steam release valve I suppose so we shouldn't be too surprised eh?

 

[Houston_Blade]

No, because I’m talking about the obvious bias, not informed criticism.

If you swap Berge and Sharps performances last night, would he be saying Sharp was invisible and Berge grafted? I highly doubt it.

Sharp plays in a different position so that wouldn't make sense.

Berge was poor last night in the opinion of the vast majority. He just isn't producing the kinds of performances I and lots of others expect. There are multiple reasons/excuses for why this might be the case that have been done to death.

 

[pommpey]

Based on last nights showing I expect all of our players to do better, regardless of price tag.

That's a given. But are you not biased therefore in that statement? Or are they all equally sub-standard? How does that work?

Every player is open to criticism, but you still seem to be missing the point. You criticise some players more than others, it’s that simple.

That's because some players play better than others. My context is different to yours. What do you think about the collected works of Stock, Aitken and Waterman? Are they better than Lamont/Dozier or Lennon and McCartney? I know some who'd say they are. Maybe it's because their expectations of good music is based on pretty fundamental pop music rather than Motown or Beatles music. It's not because they have an agenda. Its because their appreciation of Lennon/McCartney is that it's dated, plodding dogshit or Motown is formulaic pap. The proof is the amount of gold discs and record sales is it not? And where Berge is concerned, his performance last night and over the past few games has been sub-standard. His effort and input was poor. In other games past - the Burnley one for example - he's played really well and integral with our victory. Since returning from his injury he's not shown any of the capability we have seen, albeit fleetingly, in the past. You see this differently. Maybe you also think Motown is good. It is contextual, not biased.

That’s your choice, but doesn’t add any balance when you’re looking from one side only.

What other side is there? His side? I can't transpose myself into his being. I see it as a football fan and supporter of Sheffield United. There are many of us - and many of them who don't share my point of view. Do I see them as biased? No. I respectfully disagree with them.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

This, once again, is comedy gold from our very own Tom Sharpe Wannabee. Doyle gets 6 and Berge gets 3. Doyle was twice as effective as Berge folks!! However, Doyle is on loan and Bege cost us £23m and has been dogged with injuries, so by Pomps logic you should probably switch those scores after applying the apparent Pomp Player-Rating Weighting Factor.

* stifles yawn *

Repeated use of expletives and colourful yet comical use (and abuse) of English language helps Pomps to hit the steam release valve I suppose so we shouldn't be too surprised eh?

1/10

pommpey

 

[ekke287]

Sharp plays in a different position so that wouldn't make sense.

Berge was poor last night in the opinion of the vast majority. He just isn't producing the kinds of performances I and lots of others expect. There are multiple reasons/excuses for why this might be the case that have been done to death.

You’ve missed the point. Let’s just say if both players played equally, Berge would be scored lower (and has been when playing better).