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You docked Egan a point for his pathetic jump for Jags goal - in fact he didn't even try to jump , so I'd dock him 2 points - he stayed flatfooted on the deck + tried a nudge , which gave Jags a free header - either lazy or stupid or both , I couldn't believe my eyes when I rewatched it.
 

As soon as I saw we were lining up in a back four I knew what was coming, as I said all week when people on this board were calling for it. Egan and Bash are very well suited to a back three, but look all at sea in a two centre back formation. Bash wasn’t even good enough in a back four in League one for gods sake.

No more fucking around with formations we must play a three centre back formation with these players.
 
Top of the League and with injuries, yes. But lack of bottle, fight and commitment is another thing. This is on Heckingbottom. If he’s not giving them the bollocking they deserve, or is incapable of giving them one? Do the players think he’s a soft touch? If he is McCall needs to step up. I can stand us losing but when they look like they can’t be arsed and feel sorry for themselves, that’s when my piss starts to boil.
 
Players who don't fully train during the week for fear of injury are unlikely to perform to their maximum on match day. That has been apparent for the last few weeks even when we were winning. It is a sad indictment of the poor medical support and training facilities we possess off the field and until it is addressed we will limp along to the World cup break and have more days like yesterday.

In an ideal world the Board would recognise the problem take immediate action and encourage the manager to bring in additional coaching support whilst at the same time investing in new medical equipment to accelerate injury recovery. Matt Prestridge is free at the moment for fitness and conditioning. Unfortunately the stark reality is the manager has to dip into his playing budget to pay for the pitches to be improved. There is no desire at board level to invest in infrastructure now that could get us over the line and would be desperately needed if we did achieve it. So more of the same.

As for yesterday well we learnt young Mcatee could be a prospect, Brewster has got a goal that should help confidence and Ndiaye showed the work rate and desire that was missing from others. Otherwise it was a poor day from all concerned manager, coaching staff and players. If yesterday is not evidence that we don't have the defenders to play four at the back then nothing will be. Our achilles heel of not dealing with balls in the air at the back continues. Blackpool at home now takes on added significance as far as confidence levels and momentum are concerned.
 
You docked Egan a point for his pathetic jump for Jags goal - in fact he didn't even try to jump , so I'd dock him 2 points - he stayed flatfooted on the deck + tried a nudge , which gave Jags a free header - either lazy or stupid or both , I couldn't believe my eyes when I rewatched it.
He couldn't jump, he was chuffin injured but we had no one else to bring on.

A few minutes earlier he was thumping the ground in agony, I just hope that leaving him on doesn't cost us more in the longer term.
 
Egan wasn't injured, he wouldn't have come out for the second half if he had been. These are million pound footballers you're talking about, the fucking pampered elite, they don't play injured like real players used to. His marking on the goal was fucking dire, simple as. Should dock him a weeks wages for that. If he couldn't be arsed, which he couldn't, to get a jump on a player hardly renowned for his heading ability that's on him. Nowt to do with how we set up, just an experienced international who couldn't pick his man up.
 
Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey

Good and accurate report, saying it as it is - it was a poor performance all round lacking any energy.
They had players that could run through our midfield at will - not the first time this has exposed us - we don't have anybody in that mould,
other teams are going to watch this and do the same.
I thought Khadra was awful, I thought he was brought in to run at teams - huge disappointment ¡¡

I also thought RND was our main man, he really ran his socks off trying to get us going forward, he gets better & better.
 
Egan wasn't injured, he wouldn't have come out for the second half if he had been. These are million pound footballers you're talking about, the fucking pampered elite, they don't play injured like real players used to. His marking on the goal was fucking dire, simple as. Should dock him a weeks wages for that. If he couldn't be arsed, which he couldn't, to get a jump on a player hardly renowned for his heading ability that's on him. Nowt to do with how we set up, just an experienced international who couldn't pick his man up.
Dock his wages because he's a million pound footballer who couldn't be bothered to jump. Genius you should be a football manager.
 
Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
God I’m depressed now pommpey ! Think I’ll turn to Him or alcohol ? The latter wins😜
 
Man City would struggle if they have the same amount of injuries as us.
Yes

But they’d look a bit more coherent and give the impression they were professional athletes and could easily flex into a series of multiple systems in a modern game

Lately we look bereft of all above
 
We can have as many injuries as we want but almost every goal we concede is avoidable, until we cut the stupid mistakes out we’ll continue to have setbacks no matter how many injuries we have.
We have second lowest conceded goals in the league. Half of them in last 3 games.
Yes, mistakes, but if you want perfection and no errors maybe you're in the wrong game.
 

Who said owt about wanting perfection?
Cos they've come in the last 3 games. Before that we were completely on it. Mistakes will happen, when we are stretched.
None of us want mistakes, but we need to stay realistic that they'll happen.
 
Cos they've come in the last 3 games. Before that we were completely on it. Mistakes will happen, when we are stretched.
None of us want mistakes, but we need to stay realistic that they'll happen.
My point is we can limit them and the mistakes aren’t just happening because of the injuries, that was my overriding point, we can’t use injuries as an excuse all the time for lack of concentration and that’s why the mistakes are happening.
 
Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
Another great report. Very accurate. Good work Pompaiye. x
 
Ndaiye's shot hits the post goes in, jags header hits the post and stays out and everyone is talking about a great away win

Fine margins, we were ok considering we're playing with a patched up side...
 
Pompey called it right. OK we got some injuries-I remember TC saying half the games he played he was carrying some knock or other. Hecky needs to call the shots with the players - they're getting well paid-anything less than 100% effort and they can be on their way with a rocket up their pants.
 

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