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Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
 

Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two gams of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
still first

pommpey
 
Unfortunately I got up at 1am to watch and would rather have stayed asleep. Agree the injuries are becoming a tired excuse as we had quality and Stoke were there for the taking. We miss Baldock as nobody else had any attacking ability and perhaps we miss Berge and the confidence his presence gives the team. Thought Arblaster looked good, aggressive and actually gave a fuck unlike the rest. Mcatee showed glimpses of quality. Thought RND was at fault for 2 goals but playing in a back 4 didn't help as he ran his arse off covering Egan and Basham who were poor.
 
Bullied by a team of pussies, not smart enough to keep the ball, fucking dog shit at defending and hardly a fucking peep at the business end. We were fucking woeful today, we looked like a bunch of kids you'd rounded up in the park, told them it was 4 4 2 and off you go.

I've given this team lots of credit this season because on occasions we've been outstanding, last 3 games we've been shockingly bad. Injuries shouldn't make the difference they have, you're replacing a professional athlete with another one. You wouldn't think so watching that fucking inept shit show today. And if anyone thinks I'm being harsh, all I need to say is 'John Egans man marking of a 90 year old' Oh my fucking lord 🙄
 
Not going anywhere until we can cut out these sloppy defensive goals. Clean sheet after clean sheet before IB seems a distant memory. It’s about organisation, guts and work rate not massive quality - see the defensive performances of Birmingham and QPR. Mcburnie will be a help on set pieces next week but surely we can sort this.
 
The goal on half time was horrible to concede, so didn’t help second half preparations obviously
Good to have a week off now with no game, get some players rested and hopefully some of the walking wounded back, so we can re set and go again
 
Stoke looked there for the taking. Thought they would be vulnerable to a quick passing game and players running at them. Berge and Anel would have had more success against this lot, (thugh I doubt we'd have more success with McB starting). A better team would have taken Stoke apart. Hopefully we have a few more availible v Blackpool.
 
Alex Neil did a job on us with Sunderland who are not that good but get stuck in and run about a bit Stoke did just the same. Men against boys who apart from the odd flash of ability were not up to the job. Lets be reyt Bash and Egan have looked hopeless in the last few games RND was a one man defence yesterday the rest of the team were kids even if two of them were Citeh kids the only other player with experience was Norwood. You don't win owt with kids. Looked like a collection of kids on Concord park for a kick about no plan, no method, and very little fight, was the mangement instructions just go out and do what the fuck you want?
 

Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
Spot on with that assessment Pomps 👍
 
Didn’t see the game , visitors from overseas , so my time was spent with my family
I’m normally in total agreement with Pommpey as I see it’s as he see’s it ( mostly ) as a fan
Thanks Pommpey for the report
 
we lacked height today all of our tall players are out injured
and stoke are a team of basketball players

feel sorry for hecky every working day he gets to work and finds hes lost more of the squad

was end to end stuff and 50 50 possession so some marks are a bit harsh
another day and it could have been a different outcome

but khadra was poor
 
Another poor performance from what appears to be a makeshift team and we leave the potteries three points shy and questioning if we have the stamina and ability to fuck this league and be promoted by Christmas. Certainly seemed that way before the international break and now, the other side, we are one point from nine with two games of that being at Bramall Lane. Sure, we are still top but that's more by the actions of others than ourselves. With a rapidly decreasing points and goal difference tally, now four teams are well within reach of us cascading into the playoffs if we don't bolt it on on Saturday and batter Blackpool at the Lane. Our initial impetus and drive is clearly lost and it was demonstrated today how incapable we are all over the park. I barely saw one redeeming factor aside from the goal and N'Daiye's post hit that showed me we were still worthy of occupying the top slot in the Championship. And no, I don't accept the 'injuries' excuse 100%. Out there today we had eight Premier League or ex-Premier League players starting for us. We brought three more on as substitutes and still we couldn't even dent their paintwork. It was a pissy, typically United match where as usual, we have our momentum disrupted by an event like and international break and we come back as the lumpen, sclerotic Mr Hyde as opposed to the streamlined, capable Dr Jekyll four weeks ago.

Okay, we are forced into our unfamiliar 4-3-1-2 bit with a midfield of Norwood and two Man City capables you'd imagine our workrate and desire to get the ball forward would be priority. A minute in and McAtee is found by a brahma of a move and fires wide and counter to popular need of us going at them again, 40 year old Philip Jagielka chips a hopeful one to the far post where everyone is fucking fast asleep and they open the scoring. Instead of being pissed off and determined to get stuff back however we just fucking go soft again and allow Stoke, again, no massively adept team that is going anywhere this season and very susceptible to the old one-two knockout blow, to deal with us, contain us and simply play football against us. Doyle has a decent shot palmed out and N'Daiye hits the post and yes, we drive forward in a massively disjointed manner and grab a shinned in goal through Brewster but Jags outjumps Egan, basically himself twenty years ago and nods in a soft header from an unchallenged corner, sending us in with it all to claw back again at HT. Sure, offered a draw now most of us would have taken it because having watched the disjointed, pondering and frankly unrecognisable display in the first half, salvaging a point from this against a pretty shit Stoke with only a couple of threatening players seemed impossible.

Second half we finally hooked the abject Khadra and tried to mix shit up even bringing a host of subs on, hoping on hope that knocks like Egan had in the first half wouldn't need him going off. The more we tried the less we achieved and after finally going back to a semblance of 3-4-1-2 we made a vestigial amount of headway only to be thwarted with shit corners and endless faffing rather than running at Stoke's fragile backline. Only N'Daiye looked willing to do anything, and even that was easily mopped up. Finally we capitulated and allowed them forward and they showed us how it should be done and delivered the coup de grace. A Blackburn last season style spanking and richly deserved. Hecky needs to give then the day off and haul the fuckers in for training and bollockings and start asking questions about the injury list and if it is causing us as much problems more than attitudes and application. If everyone worked their tits off against Stoke I'd accept it, but they did not and it simply isn't good enough. We demand better.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Possibly could have done better with Jags's goal but at reach/unsighted for the others. Some decent stops elsewhere however
Gordon 4/10: Still a raw player and not really in this game as a RB
Egan 4/10: Some okay stops but elsewhere he was badly exposed and loses a whole point for his pathetic jump versus Jags
Basham 5/10: Just above average but only just
RND 6.5/10: Under the cosh a bit from Gayle and tried his best to deal with their linked play out wide. But he was exposed a few times and despite his endeavour, this wasn't his best game in black and gold
McAtee 5/10: Not entirely a bad game, but on balance, not a good one either. Some rare flashes of capability
Norwood 6/10: Some decent defensive work but horrendously bypassed in the middle and his corners/dead ball crosses were fucking bobbar
Doyle 5/10: Again, left to do a lot of spadework on his own
N'Daiye 6/10: Only player looking worthy and capable of threatening and even then, totally isolated
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed
Brewster 5/10: Gets a point for a shinned goal in a match where he was largely a bystander

Sharp 3/10: I think even he will admit this was a poor match for him. Tries hard but the capability and energy is slowly sapping from him
Arblaster 6/10: Impressed with him in the time he was on. Runs and gets himself involved. But no amount of this is impressive when everyone else around him have simply chucked their hands in
Sachdev 5.5/10: First time I have seen him. Looks tricky and willing.
Osborn 6/10: Looked glad to be back in the mix of it and at least tried to get it forward and into the danger areas, if somewhat clumsily at times
Jebbison 3/10: On for fifteen minutes, Can't think he did anything worthy of comment

Next game is shit or bust. We need a settled side and a settled formation and stop letting excuses get the better of us. We have a fantastic opportunity to stay in the top three and keep our campaign to win this league alive. A surrender to Blackpool like last season with a worryingly whimpering performance will have a damaging effect on the club and it's support. It is put simply a 'must win' and HJ&SMcC need to get back inside the players heads and get us back to what we were and can be.

pommpey
Well said that man
 
Keep saying it as you see it mate. Nowt wrong with that.

Firstly, I think the injury 'excuse' can be used.
When a team signs loads of decent players in the summer, it takes time to gel...see Forest this season.
We have had injuries approaching that level of disruption, so this was always going to be 'one of those games'

Secondly, I couldn't help but edit your Khadra comment to:
Khadra 2/10: Hopelessly and completely all at sea. Deservedly subbed ...about half an hour after he should have been.
 
We can have as many injuries as we want but almost every goal we concede is avoidable, until we cut the stupid mistakes out we’ll continue to have setbacks no matter how many injuries we have.
all goals are avoidable in theory
norwich will no doubt argue all prestons 3 were avoidable

newcastles goals were definitely avoidable v brentford
 
Take a day off Pompey. All you ever do is slag the team off. You must be exhausted.
That’s an unfair comment.
I have read several positive posts from him, but yesterday the team was poor and acknowledged as such by both PH and Brewster.
We may disagree with the marking from time to time, but let’s not a poor performance by the team lead to unfair criticism of posters on here.
 
You can't blame injuries for losing games through lack of organisation & effort by the players actually on the pitch.
Blackpool won 3-0 yesterday so are no mugs.
Hecky must know the next game is a must-win to stop the slide.
He better get some arses kicked this week.
hes got to get them out of the bandages first
 

Re the injuries, what is going on internally? I hope they are having a floorboards up review of our training methods and medical staff ( both diagnosis and rehabilitation plans).

Some.will be bad luck but Brewster being brought back too soon and now Bogle, back for one game and out with another injury, seem more than bad luck.

it can't continue like this, training at 80% and having high availability is a better option than training at 95% and having lower availability....especially when you have a squad with more than a fair share of its first 11 over the age of 30
 

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