My take ...

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Let me contextualise:

Did our game versus Bristol City contain this lineup:

---------------------------------------Verrips---------------------------------------

---Baldock----------Basham---------Jagielka----------Robinson---------Lowe---

----------------Rodwell--------------Ampadu-------------Osborn-----------------

-------------------------Hackford---------------McBurnie--------------------------

Note how many 'non regulars' are in there and, had we played that ostensibly second string team, away at Ashton Gate and come away with a 0-1 win with or without a VAR penalty and them having ten men, I'd be less ashamed or embarrassed as I was when BCFC went down to ten men and managed to keep our first team from scoring further, at home, with effectively a full strength team.

pommpey

Thank you. No further questions. You choose your context.
 



Let me contextualise:

Did our game versus Bristol City contain this lineup:

---------------------------------------Verrips---------------------------------------

---Baldock----------Basham---------Jagielka----------Robinson---------Lowe---

----------------Rodwell--------------Ampadu-------------Osborn-----------------

-------------------------Hackford---------------McBurnie--------------------------

Note how many 'non regulars' are in there and, had we played that ostensibly second string team, away at Ashton Gate and come away with a 0-1 win with or without a VAR penalty and them having ten men, I'd be less ashamed or embarrassed as I was when BCFC went down to ten men and managed to keep our first team from scoring further, at home, with effectively a full strength team.

pommpey
Yeah like our second string players are in any way comparable with Chelsea's. 🤔🤣
 
A shock jock is a type of radio broadcaster or disc jockey who entertains listeners or attracts attention using humor and/or melodramatic exaggeration that some portion of the listening audience may find offensive.

And those who do, tend not to even switch on their radios, let alone, tune in.

Some, however, just can't help it and have an almost unexplained compulsion to be drawn perversely, inexorably toward being offended, then spend countless hours deflecting this odd behaviour by reacting against the very thing that offends them.

pommpey
 
Yeah like our second string players are in any way comparable with Chelsea's. 🤔🤣

Well, we've currently got tens of millions of pounds worth of players either injured or loaned out or simply not playing 90 minutes. Chelsea do have Abramovich's billions to fall back on to create that availability too. Right now, if our acquisitions were doing what their price tag suggests, our staring eleven and our second string would doubtlessly look a lot different. As it stands, our first string still contains players we came up the league system with (and some still play like they are a league below)

pommpey
 
Well, we've currently got tens of millions of pounds worth of players either injured or loaned out or simply not playing 90 minutes. Chelsea do have Abramovich's billions to fall back on to create that availability too. Right now, if our acquisitions were doing what their price tag suggests, our staring eleven and our second string would doubtlessly look a lot different. As it stands, our first string still contains players we came up the league system with (and some still play like they are a league below)

pommpey
So was the team we put out effectively a full strength team,or did we have tens of millions of pounds worth of players missing?
 
There's a reason I label him 'McPub', and I hope it is self-evident.

His output this season has been unimpressive. Whether he likes it or not, he's been made the 'target man' when he's on the pitch for hoofball, which moreoften than not, ricochets off his head and ends up at opposition player's feet. He also likes to leave a mark on opposition players. Both of these traits wouldn't be out of place on the top pitch at Herdings Park back in my day. IN fact, that is exactly where I used to see it, back in the Bumchester Arms vs Cockhole Athletic days of the 1970s, where that shit would work on a muddy pitch with 60mph winds hurtling down the hill from the flats, five people on the touchline, no nets, ten pints and a full Sunday Roast, jumpers for goalposts and all that schizen. It's 'pub football', not high-level, Premier League stuff from an Internationally capped striker. There's 'proper centre forwards' like Ings and Wood in the PL these days who yeah, put themselves about, but who also have bagged some goals this season to justify that. So far, McBurnie has failed on all aspects (except defence) and even put himself on the treatment table with more shithousery vs Palace.

pommpey
dont always agree with your views pommpey but im sorry to say i do on mcburnie ive tried to see positives with him but i just dont see anything about him that makes him a top class striker too aggresive always arguing with the ref and when he does win headers they either go straight up in the air or to an opposition player know chris has said hes part of our future but i just dont know what he sees in him and im not even sure he will score regularly in the championship
 
There's a reason I label him 'McPub', and I hope it is self-evident.

His output this season has been unimpressive. Whether he likes it or not, he's been made the 'target man' when he's on the pitch for hoofball, which moreoften than not, ricochets off his head and ends up at opposition player's feet. He also likes to leave a mark on opposition players. Both of these traits wouldn't be out of place on the top pitch at Herdings Park back in my day. IN fact, that is exactly where I used to see it, back in the Bumchester Arms vs Cockhole Athletic days of the 1970s, where that shit would work on a muddy pitch with 60mph winds hurtling down the hill from the flats, five people on the touchline, no nets, ten pints and a full Sunday Roast, jumpers for goalposts and all that schizen. It's 'pub football', not high-level, Premier League stuff from an Internationally capped striker. There's 'proper centre forwards' like Ings and Wood in the PL these days who yeah, put themselves about, but who also have bagged some goals this season to justify that. So far, McBurnie has failed on all aspects (except defence) and even put himself on the treatment table with more shithousery vs Palace.

pommpey
You really are a dick! Too much time on your hands writing your disrespectful crap hiding behind your keyboard. You should work in football with your insight, oh no wait you shouldn’t because you write absolute bullocks you vindictive sad little man!
 
You really are a dick! Too much time on your hands writing your disrespectful crap hiding behind your keyboard. You should work in football with your insight, oh no wait you shouldn’t because you write absolute bullocks you vindictive sad little man!

Oooh. Soz love.

McBurnie your best mate? Your dad? Your grandson? Why are you so defensive of a £20m acquisition, from whom we have had next to fuck all this season, but shithousery, diving, carping at the ref, miscontrol, headers to opposition? Anything but 'goals'. Do you see anything actually 'respectful' in what he does? Sure, he's great in defence. But he's a fucking striker. Twenty million pounds worth of striker. Who effectively plays pub football. His piece de resistence was his daft dive at Palace which has had more ongoing impact with him still carrying an injury. Stop acting like a daft, sad sack teenager whom I have said their music idol is a shit singer. This is football and he is a highly paid professional in that field.

And as for 'hiding behind a keyboard', the fucking irony isn't thick enough.

pommpey
 
So was the team we put out effectively a full strength team,or did we have tens of millions of pounds worth of players missing?

Who was missing?

Berge, Mousset both injured. Both, if fit and capable, would play. We did have £40m of strikeforce on the pitch at one stage or another. They weren't being rested.

Freeman, loaned.

From the rest, it was the best team we could put out against BCFC. There were no areas you'd say 'talking a gamble with him, because it's the cup'

Chelsea's team v us was far more their first selection against our first selection. Against the dingles it was much their second selection.

pommpey
 
Oooh. Soz love.

McBurnie your best mate? Your dad? Your grandson? Why are you so defensive of a £20m acquisition, from whom we have had next to fuck all this season, but shithousery, diving, carping at the ref, miscontrol, headers to opposition? Anything but 'goals'. Do you see anything actually 'respectful' in what he does? Sure, he's great in defence. But he's a fucking striker. Twenty million pounds worth of striker. Who effectively plays pub football. His piece de resistence was his daft dive at Palace which has had more ongoing impact with him still carrying an injury. Stop acting like a daft, sad sack teenager whom I have said their music idol is a shit singer. This is football and he is a highly paid professional in that field.

And as for 'hiding behind a keyboard', the fucking irony isn't thick enough.

pommpey
You’re the disrespectful prick who acts like a small child trying to get a laugh from his name! Managing to get a dig in when he’s not even played. Don’t know what has happened in your life that makes you such a poisonous individual, maybe you should seek a career in journalism and make some money from your obvious expertise! Oh wait a minute you write absolute crap dick!
 
Who was missing?

Berge, Mousset both injured. Both, if fit and capable, would play. We did have £40m of strikeforce on the pitch at one stage or another. They weren't being rested.

Freeman, loaned.

From the rest, it was the best team we could put out against BCFC. There were no areas you'd say 'talking a gamble with him, because it's the cup'

Chelsea's team v us was far more their first selection against our first selection. Against the dingles it was much their second selection.

pommpey
Baldock,Stevens O’Connell..... 40 million strike force? Brewster, Sharp McGoldrick, then Burke?
 
You’re the disrespectful prick who acts like a small child trying to get a laugh from his name! Managing to get a dig in when he’s not even played. Don’t know what has happened in your life that makes you such a poisonous individual, maybe you should seek a career in journalism and make some money from your obvious expertise! Oh wait a minute you write absolute crap dick!

Cor! Kiss your momma with that mouth?

Look. I don't know if your bedroom wall is festooned with Shoot/Goal centrespreads of out £20m goalkiller who 'wins more aerial challenges' (yet most of 'em land at the feet of players on the other team) of you actually know Mr McPub himself (or even ... "Hi, Ollie!") but I'd like you to put your plastic spoon and plate down for a moment that you've been banging together, calm down and gently explain what he has done, in your eyes, which makes him such a gifted, deadly asset to our foundering club in the past ten months. Factor in, performance after performance where he has (with evidence) given proven worth above say, five out of ten for the better part of 45 minutes or above and even, if he's not simply nutted the ball straight at the goalkeeper or fell over his own feet screaming at a grinning ref for a free kick and a yellow.

Or you can just keep slinging shit my way (from your keyboard). Keep going. You're getting nowhere (a bit like Pubby)

pommpey
 



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Cor! Kiss your momma with that mouth?

Look. I don't know if your bedroom wall is festooned with Shoot/Goal centrespreads of out £20m goalkiller who 'wins more aerial challenges' (yet most of 'em land at the feet of players on the other team) of you actually know Mr McPub himself (or even ... "Hi, Ollie!") but I'd like you to put your plastic spoon and plate down for a moment that you've been banging together, calm down and gently explain what he has done, in your eyes, which makes him such a gifted, deadly asset to our foundering club in the past ten months. Factor in, performance after performance where he has (with evidence) given proven worth above say, five out of ten for the better part of 45 minutes or above and even, if he's not simply nutted the ball straight at the goalkeeper or fell over his own feet screaming at a grinning ref for a free kick and a yellow.

Or you can just keep slinging shit my way (from your keyboard). Keep going. You're getting nowhere (a bit like Pubby)

pommpey
I will give you all the time and intellectual debate your incisive writing deserves. Oh that’s not a lot you sad jealous lonely disrespectful attention seeking little prick!
 
But Pommpey, I really tried not to bite as I have seen your selective arguments tons of time. So this one probably also won't go far towards middle ground.

Isn't the point here that Bristol City and Barnsley would probably be viewed as pretty much of similar standard, whereas what you call a largely second string Chelsea contains Zyech, Tammy Abraham, Hudson-Odoi and any other number of players that any objective observer would take over each and every one of our best players. We play a full strength team because we have nothing in reserve. We can loan Ampadu, but not Zouma. Couldn't pay their second string for two weeks.

The fallacy in your insistence on Prem quality obviously is that the difference between us and Chelsea is a mile bigger than from West Brom, us or Brighton to mid-table Championship.

So Chelsea only winning 1-0 with a potential offside goal is as embarrassing our performance, if not more so. Only regular observers do not take your view because they do not watch football with an emphasis on finding fault.

They view United beating Bristol City in a no show 1-0 as nothing special. Nothing to see. No shame on Bristol City, no major under-performance by the Blades, just unremarkable football.

Chelsea vs Barnsley also isn't pinned on Chelsea being shite, but results in Barnsley being complimented because they bridged the gap to a top Premier League team for a night.

Why do you look to pick things apart on everything you write? I like your posts because they often inspire me to post. But you obviously mislabel certain things either deliberately or you have a somewhat joyless outlook on your team.

PS: Apologies if my light-hearted initial take offended you. Not intended. I look to comment on your stuff for balance not to pick spats.
 
I know McBurnie is going through a tough time (injuries and no goals) but, people should remember he has achieved something we can only dream of. He's a professional footballer playing for the best team on planet Earth, can people not cut him some slack?

The ball he gave to Burke v Chelsea was sublime but Burke missed it, we are having a bad season across the park not just Oli, Burke, or Brewster & Billy for that; sorry but some Blades never seem to appreciate what they've got.
 
A second choice side which is probably stronger than any side we could field even if we had everyone available & certainly more costly

Not probably. Significantly better than our best team in terms of raw talent. Not sure Pommpeys in the business of conceding points though.

Its all a bit Adrian Durham for me, but it gets dem views.
 
Isn't the point here that Bristol City and Barnsley would probably be viewed as pretty much of similar standard, whereas what you call a largely second string Chelsea contains Zyech, Tammy Abraham, Hudson-Odoi and any other number of players that any objective observer would take over each and every one of our best players. We play a full strength team because we have nothing in reserve. We can loan Ampadu, but not Zouma. Couldn't pay their second string for two weeks.

And it follows that our second string isn't anywhere near the level of theirs. That is acknowledged.

The fallacy in your insistence on Prem quality obviously is that the difference between us and Chelsea is a mile bigger than from West Brom, us or Brighton to mid-table Championship.

Which in turn shows what I said in the OP. We are a million miles away from playing as a PL outfit with what we have, even at pretty much full available strength if we can't further dominate and punish an underperforming BCFC side ... with ten men.

So Chelsea only winning 1-0 with a potential offside goal is as embarrassing our performance, if not more so. Only regular observers do not take your view because they do not watch football with an emphasis on finding fault.

Are you suggesting this season there has been something of a balance in positives to take from matches? Man U? Go check my 'My take ... ' that match. That's about it, mind. We've post pretty much everything else save for a win against a deflating NUFC side and drawn a few others.

They view United beating Bristol City in a no show 1-0 as nothing special. Nothing to see. No shame on Bristol City, no major under-performance by the Blades, just unremarkable football.

To reiterate - I was a bit ashamed we had the penalty, give to us by VAR and then their player (rightly though) gets redded. It's not a 'clean win', is it?

Chelsea vs Barnsley also isn't pinned on Chelsea being shite, but results in Barnsley being complimented because they bridged the gap to a top Premier League team for a night.

And we, conversely, went the other way and matched a ten man BCFC, Did Barnsley finish with all their players on the pitch (I haven't checked, genuinely)

Why do you look to pick things apart on everything you write?

Because this season has been an unmitigated disaster, brought about by the exposure of quite a few players incapability at this level and the intransigence of the manager. There isn't an 'up' side to this. He's had enough chance to change it for the better and so have they. But we are relegated now - you know it, I know it and so do they. It is a dismally shit, long-overdue and fleetingly disappointing return to the top flight, one which all those involved in getting us there richly deserved.

I like your posts because they often inspire me to post. But you obviously mislabel certain things either deliberately or you have a somewhat joyless outlook on your team.

And I'm dead happy to debate this. Really, I am.

PS: Apologies if my light-hearted initial take offended you. Not intended. I look to comment on your stuff for balance not to pick spats.

No need to apologise and you do raise fair, well observed points, ones which deserve an respectful answer, This is all about Sheffield United when all is said and done, and I am happy to discuss this any time away from the schoolkids on this thread.

pommpey
 
sorry but some Blades never seem to appreciate what they've got.

What is that, then?

In goals, please. Not bothered about defensive headers or 'balls won'. He's signed to score goals.

pommpey
 
What is that, then?

In goals, please. Not bothered about defensive headers or 'balls won'. He's signed to score goals.

pommpey
Do you not understand generalisation I'm talking team across the board and our fans don't appreciate what they've got, please if you READ my last paragraph I quite clearly state we're having problems across the park, not just the ones people always seem to castigate.
 
But Pommpey, I really tried not to bite as I have seen your selective arguments tons of time. So this one probably also won't go far towards middle ground.

Isn't the point here that Bristol City and Barnsley would probably be viewed as pretty much of similar standard, whereas what you call a largely second string Chelsea contains Zyech, Tammy Abraham, Hudson-Odoi and any other number of players that any objective observer would take over each and every one of our best players. We play a full strength team because we have nothing in reserve. We can loan Ampadu, but not Zouma. Couldn't pay their second string for two weeks.

The fallacy in your insistence on Prem quality obviously is that the difference between us and Chelsea is a mile bigger than from West Brom, us or Brighton to mid-table Championship.

So Chelsea only winning 1-0 with a potential offside goal is as embarrassing our performance, if not more so. Only regular observers do not take your view because they do not watch football with an emphasis on finding fault.

They view United beating Bristol City in a no show 1-0 as nothing special. Nothing to see. No shame on Bristol City, no major under-performance by the Blades, just unremarkable football.

Chelsea vs Barnsley also isn't pinned on Chelsea being shite, but results in Barnsley being complimented because they bridged the gap to a top Premier League team for a night.

Why do you look to pick things apart on everything you write? I like your posts because they often inspire me to post. But you obviously mislabel certain things either deliberately or you have a somewhat joyless outlook on your team.

PS: Apologies if my light-hearted initial take offended you. Not intended. I look to comment on your stuff for balance not to pick spats.
Fantastic post of which there isn’t really a come back. The idea we should just walk all over teams no matter what division they are in is complete bollocks and smacks of disrespect and arrogance. Funnily enough these are the two things our fan base love to laugh at other teams for doing.
To even hint that Chelsea’s “second string” is anything but a very strong premier league side on its own is again just plain bollocks and anyone trying to use this to say we had a full strength side so should be smashing Bristol is a joke.
To say that our win wasn’t a “clean win” well there isn’t much you can say about that comment it speaks for itself and the person who wrote it. So basically any team who get a penalty or an opposition player sent off and then go on to win the game they haven’t won it properly. I will leave others to judge this type of comment.
 
It was awful in my opinion. A miserable night.

Lunny and Fleck didn't work. Every we did was too slow.

Bogle was MOM. I'd be inclined to try him and Baldock together as I think they would up our energy.

Brewster must now be 5th/6th choice striker. Sharp gave him another lesson in movement and effort. I hope he's paying attention
 
Decided to read the whole thread before writing anything (not a lot else to do on a non-football, non-pub, non-owt Friday). I also took the advantage of watching Barnsley v Chelsea.
Firstly, we won, and are in the quarter finals. This is good news which was not inevitable. I thought Bogle was great, and we appear to have stumbled on a player with real potential. Ramsdale did ok, and because Bristol City seem to present far less of a challenge than their neighbours (who I thought were great, and "managed" us far better than Plymouth, who had more skill but less "oomph"), the defence was ok.
Now for the less good bit. If we agree that Chelsea's second string would make a decent PL side, rather better than we are now, it's likely that we'll make less of a game against them than Barnsley did. Barnsley had (and have) something we've shown little of this season - a plan, and reasonably effective tactics and skills. They were solid, passed well, and had a go at keeping possession. But what really struck me was that they had some urgency and purpose, they defended in numbers, and got the ball forward relatively quickly. They didn't spend forever tapping it around and seemed to recognise that the aim of the game was to put the ball in Chelsea's net. They didn't succeed, but their "having a go " wasn't short of skill and some effectiveness. They weren't bad to watch either- I didn't nod off!
I spoke to Esteemed Forgeblade during the game and said "Is it me or do we play in a really ponderous and sluggish way?". Sadly, I have to say it wasn't my tactical ineptitude, but he confirmed that compared to Barnsley, we look slow and ponderous.

So, this is actually the embarrassing part. Despite the 4 great years, the double promotions, the £100 million plus spent, we're likely in a few short months to end up where we've spent many years - in the same division as little old Barnsley.
It does make you think, "what was all that about then?"
The other embarrassing part is that if Barnsley had won, the way we have been "performing", we would perhaps have no better chance of winning than we have at Chelsea.
It's obvious I'm no Clapper, but I'm not a doom merchant either. However, I do think that after watching two fairly average Championship sides on consecutive nights, that those who think we'll storm that league next year are a bit deluded.
Ta for reading!
 
And those who do, tend not to even switch on their radios, let alone, tune in.

Some, however, just can't help it and have an almost unexplained compulsion to be drawn perversely, inexorably toward being offended, then spend countless hours deflecting this odd behaviour by reacting against the very thing that offends them.

I listen to TalkBloke. Some bits make me laugh and some bits make me cringe. Not entirely different to pommpey. Some really funny stuff but equally some nasty populous bollocks (obviously IMHO).

I'm NOT playing the man for a ruck. You are genuinely funny, but I do think 'My Take' has become a bit of an albatross (nautical reference), where you have to be ever 'funnier' as it continues.
And as for 'hiding behind a keyboard', the fucking irony isn't thick enough.

You can't say that. The poster could say exactly the same of you.

We are all 'hiding' behind a keyboard.

You are better than the 'aw diddums / keyboard warrior' stuff and that's coming from somebody who isn't exactly your best mate.
 
Decided to read the whole thread before writing anything (not a lot else to do on a non-football, non-pub, non-owt Friday). I also took the advantage of watching Barnsley v Chelsea.
Firstly, we won, and are in the quarter finals. This is good news which was not inevitable. I thought Bogle was great, and we appear to have stumbled on a player with real potential. Ramsdale did ok, and because Bristol City seem to present far less of a challenge than their neighbours (who I thought were great, and "managed" us far better than Plymouth, who had more skill but less "oomph"), the defence was ok.
Now for the less good bit. If we agree that Chelsea's second string would make a decent PL side, rather better than we are now, it's likely that we'll make less of a game against them than Barnsley did. Barnsley had (and have) something we've shown little of this season - a plan, and reasonably effective tactics and skills. They were solid, passed well, and had a go at keeping possession. But what really struck me was that they had some urgency and purpose, they defended in numbers, and got the ball forward relatively quickly. They didn't spend forever tapping it around and seemed to recognise that the aim of the game was to put the ball in Chelsea's net. They didn't succeed, but their "having a go " wasn't short of skill and some effectiveness. They weren't bad to watch either- I didn't nod off!
I spoke to Esteemed Forgeblade during the game and said "Is it me or do we play in a really ponderous and sluggish way?". Sadly, I have to say it wasn't my tactical ineptitude, but he confirmed that compared to Barnsley, we look slow and ponderous.

So, this is actually the embarrassing part. Despite the 4 great years, the double promotions, the £100 million plus spent, we're likely in a few short months to end up where we've spent many years - in the same division as little old Barnsley.
It does make you think, "what was all that about then?"
The other embarrassing part is that if Barnsley had won, the way we have been "performing", we would perhaps have no better chance of winning than we have at Chelsea.
It's obvious I'm no Clapper, but I'm not a doom merchant either. However, I do think that after watching two fairly average Championship sides on consecutive nights, that those who think we'll storm that league next year are a bit deluded.
Ta for reading!
Or you could look at it another way as bad as we were we still controlled the game and won against a decent championship team. If Bristol did what Barnsley did last night and opened up maybe it would have been a different game. Look at us against city one of the best teams in the world who open teams up for fun they only beat us 1-0.
Neat season we won’t be playing City Liverpool Chelsea every week etc. All the evidence points to us being a very strong team next year. I don’t quite understand why we get these comments saying we will struggle.
 
I listen to TalkBloke. Some bits make me laugh and some bits make me cringe. Not entirely different to pommpey. Some really funny stuff but equally some nasty populous bollocks (obviously IMHO).

I'm NOT playing the man for a ruck. You are genuinely funny, but I do think 'My Take' has become a bit of an albatross (nautical reference), where you have to be ever 'funnier' as it continues.


You can't say that. The poster could say exactly the same of you.

We are all 'hiding' behind a keyboard.

You are better than the 'aw diddums / keyboard warrior' stuff and that's coming from somebody who isn't exactly your best mate.
Good point Coco. I'm not his best mate either but I genuinely enjoy what Pommpey writes, and I like a lot of your stuff too. I can't say that I've never done it, but I really don't like the tiresome backwards forwards "you're a nob because you say this/say that/are "disrespectful" " (FFS, is it a forum or one for baby gangstas?).
I think too many are easily offended (not in a PC way, just over sensitive) both about themselves, and about players who they'll probably never meet, and about who they haven't a clue if they'll feel "disrespected" (FFS!) or not, because they don't know them!
I always think a sense of humour and proportion are essential to avoid "keyboard warriorism "!!!!
 



Or you could look at it another way as bad as we were we still controlled the game and won against a decent championship team. If Bristol did what Barnsley did last night and opened up maybe it would have been a different game. Look at us against city one of the best teams in the world who open teams up for fun they only beat us 1-0.
Neat season we won’t be playing City Liverpool Chelsea every week etc. All the evidence points to us being a very strong team next year. I don’t quite understand why we get these comments saying we will struggle.
I don't think we'll struggle, but I don't think we'll run away with it like some people think.
 

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