Mr McCabe

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Fair point, but how many of those are there ?

In Italy, plenty lol

 

[Barney]

On the subject of Jagielka, we really need to rid ourselves of this shutty culture of wanting back old players all the time.

I used to think Pinchy always over-exaggerated this point but as time goes by it's becoming apparent how correct he is.

No need for it, we should adapt and move forward with the club and playing personnel and not keep harking back to times gone by

 

[bornablade]

On the subject of Jagielka, we really need to rid ourselves of this shutty culture of wanting back old players all the time.

I used to think Pinchy always over-exaggerated this point but as time goes by it's becoming apparent how correct he is.

No need for it, we should adapt and move forward with the club and playing personnel and not keep harking back to times gone by

With respect. If Chris Wilder wants Jags then most of us will be behind that decision rather than yours Barney.

As far as Jags mentioning the incident - I cannot recall any interviewer raising the question for him to answer.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

It's Dalek !!

and yes, more chance of a Dalek trapping the ball than our Nick .........

Soz, ya geek

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

On the subject of Jagielka, we really need to rid ourselves of this shutty culture of wanting back old players all the time.

I used to think Pinchy always over-exaggerated this point but as time goes by it's becoming apparent how correct he is.

No need for it, we should adapt and move forward with the club and playing personnel and not keep harking back to times gone by

Just looking at it another way for a moment...

Do we avoid signing a potentially vital player JUST because he's played for us before?

 

[Barney]

Just looking at it another way for a moment...

Do we avoid signing a potentially vital player JUST because he's played for us before?

Good point. No IMO, it was just the seeming desire to actively seek players that have played for us before I was getting at

 

[Sean Thornton]

I can't take anyone seriously who actually believes that Phil Jagielka deliberately handled the ball and gave away a penalty for the sole purpose of relegating us so he could engineer a move away from the club he had been with since a teenager.

Do you realise how mad that sounds?

Whatever happened his wages increased greatly and he went to a big PL club. So not that mad really

 

[Revolution]

The idea that Jagielka would have had to ensure we were relegated to engineer a move is laughable. All he had to do was hire an agent.

 

[TTMeysh]

So Kilgallon's on the way back then yeah?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If jags had never played for us would we want him? I'd have him either way, talk of lower premier wanting him never mind championship, reads the game well, playing for England not long ago and if injuries hadn't spoiled his sesaon he would have still been a regular for Everton who finished what? 7th. 8 th? And he aint good enough for us? To many have got this must be young, relatively unknown and playing in the lower leagues, just because we have had some disappointment in the past doesn't make it a no go area, defoe anyone? He's older than jags and plays upforont for gods sake.

I think he’d certainly be good enough for us in the short term. The problem is he would cost a fortune in terms of wages and would provide no re-sale value. We also don’t know how long it will be before his legs pack up to a point that he’s no longer good enough for us. We might give him a 2 year deal and he might only be of use for the first few months thus losing us a fortune. If we could get him on decent terms, I think it could be a very good signing. My concern is that the likely terms means he might not represent value for money.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Short sighted? He's 30 bastard 6! As I said earlier don't see CW falling for this fawning Bladey Bladeness dog shit. If we want an experienced leader, Wheater is 30, also an ex England international. 6 years younger and exactly what we need for the championship. A mean horrible twat.

It’s a good point that Wheater is 4(not 6) years younger and more physically dominant. But Jagielka is a far better footballer.


I’d be pretty relaxed with signing either to be honest. I just don’t think we will sign Jagielka because I think he’ll want too much money.

I suspect we'd get better value going for the likes of Bolger or Bauer from Fleetwood/ Charlton but if Wilder thinks differently, I'm OK with it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Yes, I think he means exactly like that. That's how I'd see it too. McGrath, Shipperley and Allison were all at the ends of their career, just like Jags is. McGrath was an exceptional footballer - possibly one of the greatest footballers ever to pull on a Sheffield United shirt. But...he was totally crocked by the time we got him. He didn't train all week and you couldn't play him in two consecutive matches because his knees wouldn't stand up to it. But - in the games that he did play he was a calming influence at a time when we definitely needed one. He was however, only a bit-part player.

Shipperley was brought in as a bit-part player by Warnock, and sure enough he played a bit-part for us. He was hopelessly unfit and overweight, but using him as a bit-part player paid dividends, because whilst he may have lost his fitness he still had the knack of "right-place", "right-time", and used sparingly he made a good contribution to the team and became a bit of a crowd favourite. After all, it's not often fans on the terraces can have someone to adore that looks no fitter than most of them.

And similarly with Allison. His appointment brought groans of despair as we all thought he was finished after a long career up the road at Huddersfield, in which he'd really been an icon of clumsiness and awkwardness, in a very ordinary pubby sort of team. We wondered what on earth he would contribute to the team, other than height and a bit of brawn. And the answer was - not much. He was another bit-part player brought in to stand with his back to goal and jump up in the air and head it backwards for Peschisolido to chase after it. And that's just about all he did - but he did it well.

And so to Jagielka then...

You've made the comparisons yourself to McGrath, Shipperley and Allison. Only I suspect you've made these to try and prove some kind of point that these old players at the end of their career still have something to give. And you're right. But, as I hope I've managed to point out, what they have to give at that stage of their career is limited and if we can afford to bring them in, knowing that they will only have a bit-part to play, and we, and they, are happy with that, then...I don't have a problem with it. But, if you ask me what I'd prefer, I'd prefer for us to get a good experienced centre half with another 7 to 10 years of their career in front of them. Someone who wants to do well and achieve more in the game - not someone who's been there and got the t-shirt already and is winding down to retirement.

I suspect McCabe's comments are about Jagielka. It's the kind "Bladey" thing that McCabe thinks is great! I've no doubt that McCabe would love him back here so that he can go and tell his foreign cronies, on his business trips, that, "Hey! - Did you know we've got an England football Captain playing for us now?". That would have McCabe purring like a kitten with a saucer full of milk.

But is it what we need?

Good post with some well argued points. But there are a couple of points/ omissions that somewhat skew things in my opinion. First of all, I think you downplay Shipperley’s role. He was our top scorer that season and probably played more games than any of our other forwards. And there’s also been players like McCall, Speed (RIP) etc. who have been brought to the club at an older age than Jags and bossed our midfield. There was also Ugo Ehiogu (RIP) They were much more than bit part players. None of us know the extent of the role Jags could play for us as you can never say at that age when a players’ body might let him down.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Fuck him. Please visit an Everton site if you wish to discuss Everton players. This individual has nothing to do with our club.

Yet you don’t tell the poster suggesting Wheater that they must do that on a Bolton site?


Seems an odd double standard that when comparing two prospective signings, you insist that one of them should only be discussed on his own team’s site.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Concede the point. Seem to remember him being brought on a lot as sub though so that's maybe why I see him that way.

He started the season behind Andy Gray but he was sold a couple of games in so Shipperly took up the mantle before Akinbiyi arrived who then took his place for a period but we became shit as a result so Warnock threw Ships’ back in and he helped us get over the line.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

For jumping in his car to Goodson before the paint was wet on our relegation. For failing then or since to explain his absurd hand ball (it wasn't bent, I've never said it was; but he wasn't pushed either). For failing to mention our club at all in his first interview as an Everton player. For showing not the slightest interest in his old club since.

My allegiances are to Sheffield United, not Everton players.

Has Jack O’Connell ever explained his handball?


The latter part of your post seems centred on him not being bladey enough for your liking which, given the source, seems odd in the extreme.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I can't take anyone seriously who actually believes that Phil Jagielka deliberately handled the ball and gave away a penalty for the sole purpose of relegating us so he could engineer a move away from the club he had been with since a teenager.

Do you realise how mad that sounds?

Not sure who that’s aimed at? Has anyone on the thread said they believe that to be the case?