Outgoing? Mousset?

[Pedro Verde]

We have no evidence that Moose has a big ego, he was mostly a reserve player at Bournemouth
I know he has a nice flash car but so would I earning the money hes on in my early 20s
I dont think we have played to his strengths, hes not a target man ball to feet or something to run onto
I know players have to adapt to tactics and his fitness was propbably an issue but you do have to try and play to a players strength especially a striker otherwise what is the point in signing the player in the first place

 

[nopigfansintown]

If there's been no massive fall out I hope we keep him, as even the mercurial unfit version has won us points. It's hard to see us finding a similar talent for similar money.
Any notion that we've been ripped of is absurd: Moose has been a key player in a team that has brought in 140+ plus million, and a year's extra parachute payments if/when we go down.

 

[finlaytheblade]

We have no evidence that Moose has a big ego, he was mostly a reserve player at Bournemouth
I know he has a nice flash car but so would I earning the money hes on in my early 20s
I dont think we have played to his strengths, hes not a target man ball to feet or something to run onto
I know players have to adapt to tactics and his fitness was propbably an issue but you do have to try and play to a players strength especially a striker otherwise what is the point in signing the player in the first place

He has a duty to get himself fit first and foremost.Dont beleave he had an issue fitting into our style,he was full of drive and looked good initially ,.Wilder wont tolerate slackers and why should he! No matter whether British or anywhere in the world.
Jimmy Sirrell once said if you cannot run you cannot play! Mousse can run but doesn't enjoy putting it in.

 

[Wards]

If there's been no massive fall out I hope we keep him, as even the mercurial unfit version has won us points. It's hard to see us finding a similar talent for similar money.
Any notion that we've been ripped of is absurd: Moose has been a key player in a team that has brought in 140+ plus million, and a year's extra parachute payments if/when we go down.

Hopefully this may serve as a wake up call and he’ll be back with his tail between his legs and the bit between his teeth for next season. Whether Wilders pride allows that is another question but agree entirely that we’ve had value from him this year. Recoup half of what he’s cost and we’re more than even.

 

[borbokis]

Hopefully this may serve as a wake up call and he’ll be back with his tail between his legs and the bit between his teeth for next season. Whether Wilders pride allows that is another question but agree entirely that we’ve had value from him this year. Recoup half of what he’s cost and we’re more than even.

Him and his agent will probably look at his options which I would guess are as follows

1. Apologise to Wilder, get his head down and work harder than he's ever worked to get some fitness in and hopefully be a first team regular in a top half PL team
2. Move on to a newly promoted team, score a few goals early in the season and repeat what he's done with us this season by losing fitness and eventually becoming disinterested in playing and more interested in going out with his mates.
3. If there's no takers in the PL which is likely as they will all have heard rumours of attitude problems. Drop to the Championship on a fraction of the wages he's earning now.
4. Move back to France and take up with a lower/mid-table french team for a fraction of what he's earning now. Money isn't everything and he might be happier but he'll probably fade into obscurity and be left wondering what he could've achieved in 20 to 30 years time.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Him and his agent will probably look at his options which I would guess are as follows

1. Apologise to Wilder, get his head down and work harder than he's ever worked to get some fitness in and hopefully be a first team regular in a top half PL team
2. Move on to a newly promoted team, score a few goals early in the season and repeat what he's done with us this season by losing fitness and eventually becoming disinterested in playing and more interested in going out with his mates.
3. If there's no takers in the PL which is likely as they will all have heard rumours of attitude problems. Drop to the Championship on a fraction of the wages he's earning now.
4. Move back to France and take up with a lower/mid-table french team for a fraction of what he's earning now. Money isn't everything and he might be happier but he'll probably fade into obscurity and be left wondering what he could've achieved in 20 to 30 years time.

Option 1 is the ideal scenario for all concerned, but I wonder it's even available anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't his first offence (previous noises coming from interviews with players & manager would suggest it isn't) & Wilder can be pretty ruthless.

 

[Sam64]

He's done here. Wilder refusing to even comment on it showed he's done with him for me. At least he commented on Duffy when they fell out.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

He's done here. Wilder refusing to even comment on it showed he's done with him for me. At least he commented on Duffy when they fell out.

That’s a like cos I think you’re right... not cos I’m happy with the comment! Just to clarify! Haha

 

[Liaminho9]

He's done here. Wilder refusing to even comment on it showed he's done with him for me. At least he commented on Duffy when they fell out.

Or he's refusing to comment as it isn't over yet.
He might have had an argument, and given him an ultimatum. Sort your attitude out, or you're out. Go away for a few days and decide what you really want.

 

[Eggy]

If you can't motivate yourself to be the best player you can be, then don't expect a career at the top of the game. Managers can only do so much for you and give you so many opportunities before cutting you loose. The drive has to come from within, and if you don't have it, then you won't be around at the top for very long. As an example, just look at where Ravel, Berahino and Balotelli are at now. As i said in an earlier post; time to cut our loses and sell him as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Jimbo Blade]

If you can't motivate yourself to be the best player you can be, then don't expect a career at the top of the game. Managers can only do so much for you and give you so many opportunities before cutting you loose. The drive has to come from within, and if you don't have it, then you won't be around at the top for very long. As an example, just look at where Ravel, Berahino and Balotelli are at now. As i said in an earlier post; time to cut our loses and sell him as far as i'm concerned.

Just compare the attitude of Moose with Berge, Moose has struggled all season with fitness and doesn't look like he's trying to improve, pre-lockdown Berge realised he wasn't up to the pace and spent his lockdown time getting fitter and quicker and now does back to back 90 minutes

 

[Barney]

One thing worth mentioning is that if Wilder wants to take the next step in his own career then he needs to be able manage foreign players earning big money with inflated egos.

We're very quick to dismiss guys like Solskjaer & Lampard when they hop, skip & jump into the top management roles but one thing they do have, which Wilder doesn't, is an understanding of how those big dressing rooms work. How to communicate with stars, players from different cultures etc.

Wilder is an exceptional manager, but if he wants to take the step from being another Sean Dyche (absolutely no shame in that by the way) to the top of the chain then getting a tune out of guys like Mousset goes with the territory.

It's not a simple case of "give Wilder the money they have & he'll do better than they're doing" there's so much more to it than that.

I read comments recently from Wayne Rooney describing how Sir Alex Ferguson would rage at him in the dressing room in order to get through to Nani. Apparently Nani would go to bits if you singled him out. Does Wilder have that cuteness?

Top notch post. Insightful and probably very accurate.

I think if Wilder opts to learn from this period, it will shape him into an even better manager.

All part of the transition to big time football.

 

[bongleblade]

It's a weird one.

He demanded a £10m fee before he had his best ever scoring season, but I can't see us recouping that money for him - if you understand what I mean !?

thats because one of the best man managers in England seems to have given up on him due to motivational/attitude issues, he seems a difficult player to get a tune out of and his fee was high to start with - we bought him as an unknown quantity and it looks like he has been figured out

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

I kinda feel for the Moose.
I'll admit i wasn't the biggest fan of McBurnie - I feel like he struggled for much of the first half of the season. Yet, Wilder kept playing him, game after game. I never understood why? I know some of you will say, McBurnie is great, but i think the Moose has got a lot more upside and potential. I feel that the Moose is much more dangerous even when unfit.
I feel like if Moose got more starts, and more opportunities, that would help with his demeanor and fitness. I am hoping that CW and the Moose can be grownups and leave this blowup behind them. Sadly, i dont think that will happen.

 

[S64 Blade]

The reason Mousset is shit ladies and gentleman, is because............... He drives a Lambourghini

 

[Woodwaaard]

I feel that the Moose is much more dangerous even when unfit.

It depends upon why he is "unfit"

 

[finlaytheblade]

I kinda feel for the Moose.
I'll admit i wasn't the biggest fan of McBurnie - I feel like he struggled for much of the first half of the season. Yet, Wilder kept playing him, game after game. I never understood why? I know some of you will say, McBurnie is great, but i think the Moose has got a lot more upside and potential. I feel that the Moose is much more dangerous even when unfit.
I feel like if Moose got more starts, and more opportunities, that would help with his demeanor and fitness. I am hoping that CW and the Moose can be grownups and leave this blowup behind them. Sadly, i dont think that will happen.

I think you are missing one thing the player has to work on his fitness to win a shirt Mcbernie did although I'm not a big fan of his (his first touch and shielding the ball are poor).Mousse not up to scratch fitness wise.
If one player gets away with slacking it will spread that's no good.

 

[FTPE]

Lets nip this in bud right now.
Ego doesn't make you a bad player.
Some of the best in the world have massive ego's. Ronaldo has a statue of himself.

Attitude, determination, desire, work rate... none of that should be compromised by the car you drive or the clothes you wear.

 

[SittingontheBall]

So, all he needs to do is improve his attitude, determination, desire, work rate.....He can keep the car.

 

[Blade56]

Him and his agent will probably look at his options which I would guess are as follows

1. Apologise to Wilder, get his head down and work harder than he's ever worked to get some fitness in and hopefully be a first team regular in a top half PL team
2. Move on to a newly promoted team, score a few goals early in the season and repeat what he's done with us this season by losing fitness and eventually becoming disinterested in playing and more interested in going out with his mates.
3. If there's no takers in the PL which is likely as they will all have heard rumours of attitude problems. Drop to the Championship on a fraction of the wages he's earning now.
4. Move back to France and take up with a lower/mid-table french team for a fraction of what he's earning now. Money isn't everything and he might be happier but he'll probably fade into obscurity and be left wondering what he could've achieved in 20 to 30 years time.

or....
5. He does a Holmes and sits it out drawing a wage

 

[Harrisblade]

I kinda feel for the Moose.
I'll admit i wasn't the biggest fan of McBurnie - I feel like he struggled for much of the first half of the season. Yet, Wilder kept playing him, game after game. I never understood why? I know some of you will say, McBurnie is great, but i think the Moose has got a lot more upside and potential. I feel that the Moose is much more dangerous even when unfit.
I feel like if Moose got more starts, and more opportunities, that would help with his demeanor and fitness. I am hoping that CW and the Moose can be grownups and leave this blowup behind them. Sadly, i dont think that will happen.

Maybe McBurnie just works quite a bit harder for the team when we're not in possession?

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

Maybe McBurnie just works quite a bit harder for the team when we're not in possession?

I don't disagree. I think McBurnie has better cardio, but he lacks the explosiveness that the Moose possesses.

 

[FTPE]

I don't disagree. I think McBurnie has better cardio, but he lacks the explosiveness that the Moose possesses.

Well yeah, he's a gangly white guy.
Moose is built like a race horse.

McBurnie loves the game though. Loves the battle and the rivalries too.
I think Mcburnie's attitude is superb. He rallies the fans on social media which I always enjoy as well.

 

[Nagima]

I would cut my losses with him and sell him off for what ever we can get. If a player doesn't want to put in the effort to get in shape to play in the PL then he is no good to anyone. After what was a promising start it's all gone down hill. To those who say CW may need to learn how to handle foreign players. I disagree in this case. The player has to show some desire before any of your man management skills can be of influence. Ozil at Arsenal has been unmanageable for the last few years. Pogba seems to have turned up again after the arrival of Fernandez. Which considering Man U paid £90m for him is not the type of attitude you want at your club.
There are plenty of foreign players who struggle initially to make an impact but most of them turned up and tried to put a shift in. Diego Forlan Savo Milosevic were not successes in the PL. But they didn't waste their talent which appears to the case with Mousset. I fear that where ever he turns up next it's going to be the same story.

 

[Foxy]

In our position, we have to pick up 'projects'...

We've seen in glimpses what an in form and focused Mousset is capable of, we all want to see it regulaly, but if the project of turning that into a week in, week out isn't working, the gaffer won't be scared of moving onto the next one.

See multiple examples in recent years.

 

[Sirius]

To be fair to Biggs, he's saying it's not just the lambo that's the issue, it's the fact he parks it in the car park where people can see it. If he stuck it in Lancing Road, everything would probably be OK.

Apart from the wheels being taken off the wagon

 

[Superblades]

I’m hoping it’s nonsense and he comes back wanting to give things a go as he’s our best striker when he wants to be.

If he is on his way, I reckon Leeds would be interested and possibly take a punt on him. They need upgrades on Bamford for a start.

 

[Kev Gee]

The reason Mousset is shit ladies and gentleman, is because............... He drives a Lambourghini

What an idiot. What does it matter what car be drives? I would assume that the other young lads in the sqaud also drive flash cars.

 

[Blade58]

Maybe or at least we what we paid.

I doubt very much we'll get what we paid for him, but we'll see

One look at his persona on the pitch is enough to put most clubs off imo

Shame because the lad has talent

 

[GodricBlade]

Attitude not aptitude determines altitude.

Sadly, I get the feeling Mousset’s not shown enough of the 1st to convince Wilder that the obvious 2nd will deliver the 3rd in sufficient quantity/frequency to make the deal worthwhile.

Shame really. Especially for Dore Chippy whose takings will suffer if he goes. Unless the “Mousset Meal Deal” becomes a thing.