Monty Gone to Millwall ?

[broomhillblade]

Monty Goes To Millwall

Frankie Goes to Hollywood.


Just a thought....

 

[Grecian2000]

But my stats aren't meant to back up any position. They were just a way of killing time, waiting for my hideous testing scripts to finish.

The only "stat" I'm interested in at the moment:

Nick Montgomery is a Millwall player for the rest of the season.

 

[alcoblade]

But my stats aren't meant to back up any position. The only "stat" I'm interested in at the moment:

Nick Montgomery is a Millwall player for the rest of the season.

Really?

"I may have missed a couple of starts (and last season has too many managers to do a full analysis) but he's hardly been an ever present has he? Even the master of hoof only started him in two thirds of his tedious tenure"

I think we both know the truth mate....

UTB

 

[oldblade]

Just a quick thought before I put this to bed (speaking for myself obviously, more than happy for everyone else to knock themselves out over him).

A few percentages for the managers who've managed him over the last 11+ years (i.e since he made his full debut in Oct 2000):

Warnock. P302 (League Games only). Monty Starts 147. 49%
Robson. P32. MS 18. 56%
Blackwell. P108. MS 67. 62%
Wilson. P37. MS 14. 38%

I may have missed a couple of starts (and last season has too many managers to do a full analysis) but he's hardly been an ever present has he? Even the master of hoof only started him in two thirds of his tedious tenure.

How many games has McDonald started? I ask because his number of starts has been reduced by injury, and I might be wrong, but I thought Montgomery was injured earlier in the season. If so, that would affect his number of starts. But 38% is hardly a bench warmer and probably higher that Henderson achieved!

 

[Grecian2000]

But 38% is hardly a bench warmer and probably higher that Henderson achieved!

I think he has been injured or suspended in quite a few and you're probably right regarding Henderson.

Most interesting fact I found. He was once used as a late sub for Paul Gerrard (last minute v Crewe) which I had totally failed to remember.

 

[Darren]

I think he has been injured or suspended in quite a few and you're probably right regarding Henderson.

Most interesting fact I found. He was once used as a late sub for Paul Gerrard (last minute v Crewe) which I had totally failed to remember.

Where did you get that from? The only game v Crewe we played with Gerrard in goal was this one.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10418~22461,00.html

You will see NM came on as sub for McCall in the last minute.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

There is a third option: Blades fan meets Lampard on holiday and says to him "hey up, Frank, Nick Montgomery, what a player, eh?". Lampard thinks "who the fuck is Nick Montgomery...never mind, just agree to get rid of this tosser spoiling my holiday" and says "er...yeah".

That seems the most likely to me...

Speaking as a lawyer, does that option REALLY seem the most likely solution to you?

It seems to me that your scenario relies on there being a Blades fan who is irrationally obsessed with Nick Montgomery.
To the point where his first thought on seeing a famous England International is to try and garner unwarranted praise for his idol.
He doesn’t shout “Hey up Frank, good luck in the Euros” or “Hey up Frank, cracking bird!” or even “Hey up Frank, I saw you play at the Lane last year”.
Instead, he just shouts out “Hey up Frank, Nick Montgomery, what a player eh?” Realistically, would any Blades fan shout that?

I put it to you M’Lud, that for Lampard to even mention Montgomery at all, it must have involved a reasonably long conversation about the Blades.
I further suggest it’s unlikely that the Blades fan would have then lead the witness with comments like “Do you think Montgomery is one of your toughest ever opponents?”
Even if he had, I would say there’s no reason at all why Lampard couldn’t have just said “No not really, he’s just an average battler to my mind”.

I would therefore suggest that your scenario is the least likely suggestion of them all so far (with the possible exception of the pie shop one)....

 

[Darren]

Speaking as a lawyer, does that option REALLY seem the most likely solution to you?

It seems to me that your scenario relies on there being a Blades fan who is irrationally obsessed with Nick Montgomery.
To the point where his first thought on seeing a famous England International is to try and garner unwarranted praise for his idol.
He doesn’t shout “Hey up Frank, good luck in the Euros” or “Hey up Frank, cracking bird!” or even “Hey up Frank, I saw you play at the Lane last year”.
Instead, he just shouts out “Hey up Frank, Nick Montgomery, what a player eh?” Realistically, would any Blades fan shout that?

I put it to you M’Lud, that for Lampard to even mention Montgomery at all, it must have involved a reasonably long conversation about the Blades.
I further suggest it’s unlikely that the Blades fan would have then lead the witness with comments like “Do you think Montgomery is one of your toughest ever opponents?”
Even if he had, I would say there’s no reason at all why Lampard couldn’t have just said “No not really, he’s just an average battler to my mind”.

I would therefore suggest that your scenario is the least likely suggestion of them all so far (with the possible exception of the pie shop one)....

Well, if I saw a top player on holiday and felt the need to talk to him, obsessive that I am, I would seek a United connection. So, if I saw Ronaldo it would be "ey up, Ron, what about that miss at the Lane eh?", or Steve Gerrard "come on Stevie, Morgan never touched you did he?".

Assuming this holiday maker is like me, when he saw Frank Lampard, the United connection that would spring to mind would be Monty's MOTM performance shackling FL at the Bridge, so he might say "Hi Frank, Monty never gave you a kick when you played him did he?", to which Frank might just agree in order to get rid of said harasser. This bloke, probably a bit pissed anyway, then grows the story every time he tells it...

 

[judge]

I remember the call , the guy said he met fat frank told him he was a blade and ff replied I tell you who you've got down there who is a really good player ? Nick Montgomery

 

[metalblade]

I remember the call , the guy said he met fat frank told him he was a blade and ff replied I tell you who you've got down there who is a really good player ? Nick Montgomery

Only because he couldn't pronounce Jagielka

 

[AlienWoodward]

My posts on here are few and far between these days, but while I have been away ,Darren seems to have developed a sense of humour.
Has Darren been replaced by Raul's slimmer brother,or am I so depressed these days the highlight of my day is chuckling at Darren's posts ?

 

[Grecian2000]

Where did you get that from? The only game v Crewe we played with Gerrard in goal was this one.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10418~22461,00.html

You will see NM came on as sub for McCall in the last minute.

Ahh, that would make more sense. Soccerbase has it as below:

Sheff Utd
P Gerrard (N Montgomery, 90), R Kozluk, P Jagielka, C Morgan, A Wright, P Ndlovu (A Parkinson, 79), M Tonge, S McCall, C Armstrong, A Ward, J Lester (P Peschisolido, 79)
Crewe
C Ince, D Wright, S Foster, R Walker (B Jones, 68), A Tonkin, N Sorvel, K Lunt (A Smart, 80), J Cochrane, D Vaughan (B Rix, 71), S Jones, D Ashton
Subs not used: W Allison, M Whitlow Subs not used: A Barrowman, A Bankole

Referee:M CooperAttendance:17396Stadium:Bramall Lane

Mind you they also have this little gem (also against Crewe) from March 2001:

Crewe
A Bankole (D Ashton, 90), D Wright, S Smith , K Lunt, D Walton , S Macauley, C Little, M Rivers, R Hulse , N Sorvel, J Gannon (P Charnock, 86)
Sheff Utd
T Thompson, R Kozluk , P Ndlovu, S Murphy, K Curle, R Ullathorne, R Ford, G Santos , M Brown , N Montgomery (P Suffo, 68), L: D'Jaffo (D Kelly, 78)
Subs not used: K Street, C Ince, S Foster Subs not used: A Woodward, F Talia, G Uhlenbeek

Referee:R J HarrisAttendance:6909Stadium:

We appear to have Tyrone Thompson in goal which I'm reasonably sure never happened.

 

[super_pig]

and alan woodward (?) on the bench?? shurely shome mishtake

 

[bricktop]

Andy Woodward, one of Warnocks old boy network, don't even think he got 5 games.

The name that brings me out in a shiver on that team sheet is one Mr R Ford.

Now he was fucking shite

 

[Guesty]

Bobby Ford, first name on the teamsheet.

 

[Balham]

Rob Hulse and Jim Gannon on the field for Crewe in 2001 too, Blades past and future.

 

[Darren]

Rob Hulse and Jim Gannon on the field for Crewe in 2001 too, Blades past and future.

And Dave Walton.

 

[Grecian2000]

The name that brings me out in a shiver on that team sheet is one Mr R Ford.

Now he was fucking shite

Indeed he was. However, there is a name on there that makes my blood boil never mind sends a shiver (and it's not Parkinson!).

 

[Revolution]

Must be Helios...

 

[shorehamview]

One day I'll write a book...

You will of course need to finish colouring in the one you've been struggling with all these years.

 

[broomhillblade]

Interesting to hear Monty's views....

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/to-hell-and-back-monty-1-4370879

 

[JohnDenver]

Interesting to hear Monty's views....

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/to-hell-and-back-monty-1-4370879

Jeez, viral meningitis is a phrase to chill the blood. I can't begin to imagine...

 

[broomhillblade]

Jeez, viral meningitis is a phrase to chill the blood. I can't begin to imagine...

When people slag players off mercilessly, I wonder if they ever pause to think that they also have private lives, with problems to face,like all of us.

 

[Darren]

When people slag players off mercilessly, I wonder if they ever pause to think that they also have private lives, with problems to face,like all of us.

Ah, but you have to understand that when people earn £xK a week funded by our money, they develop hides like rhinoceri and, besides, the fact that they live off our money gives us a God given right to insult them.

I agree and abide by that principle in everyday life. When my milkman gets my order wrong I chant at him "you're not fit to wear the coat" and "you're so shit it's unbelievable"....

 

[Balham]

Ah, but you have to understand that when people earn £xK a week funded by our money, they develop hides like rhinoceri and, besides, the fact that they live off our money gives us a God given right to insult them.

I agree and abide by that principle in everyday life. When my milkman gets my order wrong I chant at him "you're not fit to wear the coat" and "you're so shit it's unbelievable"....

Do you pay £20+ to watch your milkman make his deliveries? Not condoning the personal abuse of players but your analogy is a bit simplistic.

 

[Darren]

Do you pay £20+ to watch your milkman make his deliveries? Not condoning the personal abuse of players but your analogy is a bit simplistic.

No, and you didn't pay Monty £x to play skilful football. You paid SUFC £20+ to watch football with no guarantee as to the quality thereof. They then then paid Monty. I pay the milk company £x to deliver my two pints and youghurt every day. They then pay the milkman.

It seems to be that the milkman deserves the abuse more if he gets the order wrong as he is not doing what I specifically paid his employer for.

 

[Robbie]

Do you pay £20+ to watch your milkman make his deliveries? Not condoning the personal abuse of players but your analogy is a bit simplistic.

Wouldn't you say £350 on a season ticket is an approximate equivalent to a couple of pints a day from a milk man for the year?

 

[Revolution]

To paraphrase Hyman Roth, this is the business they've chosen.

 

[oldblade]

Do you pay £20+ to watch your milkman make his deliveries? Not condoning the personal abuse of players but your analogy is a bit simplistic.

Maybe it is, but the general sentiment of the argument is right. I would guess that if the milkman contiued to get things wrong, rather than verbally abuse him Darren would probably no longer order from that milkman.

Noone forces anyone to go to Bramall Lane or any other football ground, so if you don't like what you see don't go. Resorting to the dreadful personal abuse that Montgomery (and others) have been subjected to is not justifiable and I think merely reflects on the mentality of the person doing it.

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Do you pay £20+ to watch your milkman make his deliveries? Not condoning the personal abuse of players but your analogy is a bit simplistic.

No, but I have paid more than that to take my wife and others out for meals that have sometimes not been great. I certainly didn't start shouting and swearing at the waiting staff or cook.

 

[Balham]

Wouldn't you say £350 on a season ticket is an approximate equivalent to a couple of pints a day from a milk man for the year?

To me, the tangible goods you receive from the milkman are different to the licence to watch the matches at Bramall Lane.

No, and you didn't pay Monty £x to play skilful football. You paid SUFC £20+ to watch football with no guarantee as to the quality thereof. They then then paid Monty. I pay the milk company £x to deliver my two pints and youghurt every day. They then pay the milkman.

It seems to be that the milkman deserves the abuse more if he gets the order wrong as he is not doing what I specifically paid his employer for.

Ah apologies: I was referring in my mind to the independent milkman we used to order from when I was growing up; you paid him directly, not the milk company. It's a semantic difference but to me it's pivotal for this example.

No, but I have paid more than that to take my wife and others out for meals that have sometimes not been great. I certainly didn't start shouting and swearing at the waiting staff or cook.

And I would hope that you made that point when the bill was delivered; a situation which usually leads to some form of compromise on the price.

Resorting to the dreadful personal abuse that Montgomery (and others) have been subjected to is not justifiable and I think merely reflects on the mentality of the person doing it.

I wholeheartedly agree with this and couldn't have put it better myself. I'll never use personal abuse against a player and it disappoints me when others do.