Pinchy
Blade, not Bladey.
Could be worse Pinchers, I was apparently ignorant the other day for not recognising Matt Lowton was better than Baldock.
MATTY FUCKING LOWTON!
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Could be worse Pinchers, I was apparently ignorant the other day for not recognising Matt Lowton was better than Baldock.
MATTY FUCKING LOWTON!
No. Freeman was better when Baldock first joined us. I came to that conclusion by watching them both in the championship. Baldock has improved massively whereas Freeman appears to have lost interest and gone backwards.Many voices preferred Freeman. All based on him scoring goals in league 1.
I disagree with that though, I always thought Baldock was the better player as you'll find if you look back . That's based on him being the better defender, I always thought Freeman was suspect defending, but in league 1 he didn't have to do that as much.No. Freeman was better when Baldock first joined us. I came to that conclusion by watching them both in the championship. Baldock has improved massively whereas Freeman appears to have lost interest and gone backwards.
There’s no need to turn it into some kind of agenda to dig out anyone who said Freeman was better at the time he was better. Wilder obviously thought he was better or he wouldn’t have kept picking him. And since Baldock improved, he’s now picking him instead.
But that’s a matter of opinion though. Freeman has played enough games to indicate that at the time there wasn’t much between them. There isn’t an argument now.I disagree with that though, I always thought Baldock was the better player as you'll find if you look back . That's based on him being the better defender, I always thought Freeman was suspect defending, but in league 1 he didn't have to do that as much.
Many voices isn't all....But that’s a matter of opinion though. Freeman has played enough games to indicate that at the time there wasn’t much between them. There isn’t an argument now.
You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, I just take issue in being put in a category and told why I thought Freeman was better, like I’m some kind of idiot.
+1 on this.The real difference between the players is going forward though. Baldock is great going forward but Alexander-Arnold is exceptional.
I would, and I did, but I didn’t want to open up the Blade bashing stuff again. I think Maguire being England’s first choice centre back shows how far we’ve fallen in that position.Probably say the same about Maguire.
They were proper defenders playing at a time when you were allowed to defend properly. Any slight touch now is a free kick, defending has been removed from the game.I would, and I did, but I didn’t want to open up the Blade bashing stuff again. I think Maguire being England’s first choice centre back shows how far we’ve fallen in that position.
I’ve not seen any young English centre half that looks like he’d be in the Terry, Ferdinand, King, Campbell league never mind the 4 we had.
How many has he got for Holland lolNathan Ake’s got 13 Netherlands caps
They could do both and did. VVD is lauded currently, and rightly so, but you can still be a proper defender in today’s game. All four of those would be just fine.They were proper defenders playing at a time when you were allowed to defend properly. Any slight touch now is a free kick, defending has been removed from the game.
Born in The Hague so it would be South Holland.How many has he got for Holland lol
you can still be a proper defender in today’s game.
I’d still have Chambers and Holding off them.Unless you play for Arsenal - then you’re not allowed.
I don't rate Chambers at all.I’d still have Chambers and Holding off them.
He's a fantastic athlete with excellent recovery skills. Put him next to a grownup like Kompany, VVD and I'm all in. Make him the leader of your defence and you'll concede a load of goals where you can't figure out where your defenders have goneMings is good and it’s only bitter United fans that don’t rate him, he was excellent (albeit in a non event game but can only play against who you’re up against) in his England game I watched too.
He's a fantastic athlete with excellent recovery skills. Put him next to a grownup like Kompany, VVD and I'm all in. Make him the leader of your defence and you'll concede a load of goals where you can't figure out where your defenders have gone
He's more athletic than any of ours. But lacks their positional senseI agree and i think thats where he differs from our players as he has different toolset that can be used with someone class like Maguire and is still very very young for a center half.
Seems to be a common opinion on this thread that Baldock is a better defender than Alexander-Arnold, my question is where does this opinion come from? If someone could show me some stats indicating that Baldock has more ball recoveries, interceptions etc, then I'd maybe understand, but I'm not convinced.
Beyond that, all we can really go on is the eye test: Neither seem to pulled out of position much, and both are great at 1 on 1 defending - as far as I'm concerned, their both good defenders.
The real difference between the players is going forward though. Baldock is great going forward but Alexander-Arnold is exceptional.
Just anecdotal. I end up watching quite a lot of Liverpool games, I've watched 14 this season.
Great going forward, but if any of their defence are getting done it's TAA, and the difference is clear compared to Robertson, with similar stats going forward.
The Comms often mention his defending too, so I think it's quite a widely held opinion.
As for Baldock there's a few stats on the PL site but not loads.
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Aye, all over the fucking place cos he doesn’t read the game like Egan does.I live amongst a lot of Villa fans and, after Grealish, they regard Mings as their most important player. It’s not just his actual ability, but his leadership by example in effort and commitment.
He’s here, he’s there, he’s every fucking where Tyron Mings, Tyrone Mings is his song.
So I am very happy that he will miss our game, as they are much weaker mentally without him.
Based on those (limited) stats, I'd say the two players are at a similar level, with Baldock edging in terms of aerial ability.
To me, those stats don't justify the implication that Baldock is a good defender and Alexander-Arnold isn't.
As a side note, I generally listen to games without commentators, as I find them to be useless.
I was referring to somethinYou're wrong PittsburghBlade says Mings is good.
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I was referring to his comment/question that we have never had a dirty bastard in our team. You got hold of the wrong end of the stick.You're wrong PittsburghBlade says Mings is good.
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I might have! What I meant was, if Pittsburgh think he's good any other comment is irrelevant.I was referring to somethin
I was referring to his comment/question that we have never had a dirty bastard in our team. You got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
Tbf, I think he was being sarcastic.I was referring to somethin
I was referring to his comment/question that we have never had a dirty bastard in our team. You got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
NoneHow many has he got for Holland lol
Cos he's a 25m centre half.... That is all.
What is amusing is that Howe clearly rates Ake and even Steve Cook ahead of him, yet they're nowhere near the England team. This guy gets sold for 25m, does his pointing and shouting for a few games and gets a call up.
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