Micky Adams

[Selly]

Ill take a ban or even exclusion Foxy and Linz ,but while ever wednesday sypathising troll cunts like this frequent this board it is just the same as radio pig and the stir. Ive had enough bye.

Bore off you fucking wanker ,I havent met you and i really hope for your sake I dont. Just fucking do one you sad prick.

And yet in some cases the "Show ignored content" makes everything clear again.

Thought you were being a little harsh on me, Darren or Grecian2000 for a second....

 

[Micalijo]

Bore off you fucking wanker ,I havent met you and i really hope for your sake I dont. Just fucking do one you sad prick.

Jesus Christ Sitters. OK, I believe you - sorry. I didn't mean for you to take such umbrage or whatever.

What I cannot agree on is your assessment of Adams which contains no criticism of his truly disastrous tenure. If Ward and Yeates were messing about then he should have dealt with them. Why on earth didn't he deal with them? Surely if we accept he didn't deal with them then he was a very weak manager?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Nobody on here thought Micky Adams did a great job.

But he loved this club, tried his hardest and was probably absolutely shattered when it didn't work out. To boo him would just be cruel.

 

[alcoblade]

Nobody on here thought Micky Adams did a great job.

But he loved this club, tried his hardest and was probably absolutely shattered when it didn't work out. To boo him would just be cruel.

Spot on.

UTB

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Nobody on here thought Micky Adams did a great job.

But he loved this club, tried his hardest and was probably absolutely shattered when it didn't work out. To boo him would just be cruel.

Presumably Robson tried his hardest as well, but i doubt he'd be very welcome back at the lane...

 

[JohnDenver]

If Ward and Yeates were messing about then he should have dealt with them. Why on earth didn't he deal with them?

He did. Ward was shuffled out and Yeates barely played under Adams. Whenever he did he was usually disgracefully poor and wouldn't do as he was told.

Those two giving it everything would have been a huge help in the survival bid. Both decided not to bother, and I'll not forget that.

Again, the point is not to say Adams was good. Just that the cluster fuck was already well underway.

 

[alcoblade]

Presumably Robson tried his hardest as well, but i doubt he'd be very welcome back at the lane...

He would have taken us down if sense hadn't landed first. In his brief spell (blame McCabe), he committed us to huge contracts on players with no resale value, and turned a narrowly relegated premiership side into 3rd division candidates. He was, along with McCbe, responsible for the initiating of the debt spiral we fell into. So for me his fuck up was much greater.

But I suppose that's not etirely the point. That is, I have no doubt Adams loved the club, gave it his all, and sadly failed. I believe that Robson did't give a fuck about us, and given a simple chance to show that he actually "got it", he declared the Sheffield derby was just another game.

There's plenty of reasons why I would give Robson a much different reception to Adams.

UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

Micky Adams is a Blade - whether or not he is any good as a football manager - who knows?
Don't blame Micky Adams for relegation - the blame lays fairly and squarely on McCabe's shoulders!
We should welcome Micky back tomorrow - it wasn't his fault!

 

[Selly]

Presumably Robson tried his hardest as well, but i doubt he'd be very welcome back at the lane...

Robson took a team that should have been top two, and turned them to flirting with relegation.
Adams took a team flirting with relegation, and relegated them.

One is a Grand Canyon of a shortfall in expectation, the other more of a Winnetts Pass...

 

[Ollessendro]

Nobody on here thought Micky Adams did a great job.

But he loved this club, tried his hardest and was probably absolutely shattered when it didn't work out. To boo him would just be cruel.

Great job. No wins in his first 13 games. Statistically the worst manager in SUFC's history. Only 4 wins out of 24 games. From flirting with relegation to dead certs within weeks. Palace fans were overjoyed. They were sure for relegation (our squad was much better than their's and we were above them in the table) until ale house Micky turned up.

His reign was at best truly pathetic. Shambolic to the highest extreme. I had to stop watching his post match interviews as they made me cringe. It was a truly awful time to be a Blade and it all came down to him. He had money to spend in January. He brought in dross. Collins and Doyle were not good enough and Lowry, Bent etc he did not motivate. He failed to get the best out of the team and alienated his most talented players. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights from the Leicester game. The Ipswich game it was obvious we were going down and Milwall the next week just confirmed it. It was so fucking painful after that. The pathetic displays away at Palace and Scunthorpe were simply unforgivable. Speed won his first game in charge, as did Carver, both with the same squad as Adams. Yet it took Adams 14 games to finally get a win. I remember how depressing it was watching that hopeless twat's team lose week in week out. The fans backed him and many turned up to the games. The attendances at home were pretty high and the fans got behind the team. Many travelled to away games. Yet Adams could not get his team to win a match in 13 attempts.

I but blame for SUFC's current position firmly at the door of McCabe. He has made bad decision after bad decision. However I blame Adams for our relegation that season. It was in his hands. Blackwell, Speed and even Carver would probably have kept that team up. Yet Adams spectacular ineptness cost us big time. I don't give a fuck if he was an SUFC fan and was born in Sheffield (look at some of the vile treatment Warnock gets some times) Adams was a truly shite mamanger and I resent him for what he did to my beloved club and the awful, cringeworthy, slow, painful and depressing relegation he puts us through.

 

[Darren]

Great job. No wins in his first 13 games. Statistically the worst manager in SUFC's history. Only 4 wins out of 24 games. From flirting with relegation to dead certs within weeks. Palace fans were overjoyed. They were sure for relegation (our squad was much better than their's and we were above them in the table) until ale house Micky turned up.

His reign was at best truly pathetic. Shambolic to the highest extreme. I had to stop watching his post match interviews as they made me cringe. It was a truly awful time to be a Blade and it all came down to him. He had money to spend in January. He brought in dross. Collins and Doyle were not good enough and Lowry, Bent etc he did not motivate. He failed to get the best out of the team and alienated his most talented players. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights from the Leicester game. The Ipswich game it was obvious we were going down and Milwall the next week just confirmed it. It was so fucking painful after that. The pathetic displays away at Palace and Scunthorpe were simply unforgivable. Speed won his first game in charge, as did Carver, both with the same squad as Adams. Yet it took Adams 14 games to finally get a win. I remember how depressing it was watching that hopeless twat's team lose week in week out. The fans backed him and many turned up to the games. The attendances at home were pretty high and the fans got behind the team. Many travelled to away games. Yet Adams could not get his team to win a match in 13 attempts.

I but blame for SUFC's current position firmly at the door of McCabe. He has made bad decision after bad decision. However I blame Adams for our relegation that season. It was in his hands. Blackwell, Speed and even Carver would probably have kept that team up. Yet Adams spectacular ineptness cost us big time. I don't give a fuck if he was an SUFC fan and was born in Sheffield (look at some of the vile treatment Warnock gets some times) Adams was a truly shite mamanger and I resent him for what he did to my beloved club and the awful, cringeworthy, slow, painful and depressing relegation he puts us through.

Whilst I generally agree with you (though I wouldn't put it in such vitrolic terms ), it's not correct that Speed won his first game in charge - we lost 1-0 at Middlesbrough. He did win 3 out of his first 5 though.

 

[Balham]

Micky Adams is a Blade - whether or not he is any good as a football manager - who knows?
Don't blame Micky Adams for relegation - the blame lays fairly and squarely on McCabe's shoulders!
We should welcome Micky back tomorrow - it wasn't his fault!

Complete bollocks, for the reasons Ollessendro has stated above.

Adams came in with United 20th and on course for survival with mid-table form. He was allowed to shape the squad in the January window and bought players who weren't good enough.

The only thing you can blame McCabe for is appointing Adams. The blame for the performances in the second half of the season should lie squarely with the players and the manager.

We should treat Adams with complete indifference tomorrow - that would probably hurt him more than an active welcome.

 

[Bergen Blade]

There is no real disagreement over how he did.

The question is: it it appropiate and decent behaviour to boo a fellow Blade who only did his best and is surely hugely disappointed over his own failure?

Isn't that like kicking a man when he's down? Like yelling at your son after a sporting event where he did his best but could only finish last?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Felt sorry for Micky Adams, the club was on an unstoppable downward slope when he arrived and he had a monumental task to turn it around. Saying that I don't believe he was faultless. He made a few bad decisions, getting rid of Jamie Ward was one and some of the signings he brought in count as his others. Luck wasn't with him either.

Booing him would be ridiculous. He did his best with a pile of shit and must have been so disappointed with how things turned out despite having good intentions. He's a Blade and a good bloke. Talks a decent game and is obviously a reasonable manager given his success twice now with Port Vale. Just wasn't meant to be and I wish him all the best.

 

[Darren]

Felt sorry for Micky Adams, the club was on an unstoppable downward slope when he arrived and he had a monumental task to turn it around. Saying that I don't believe he was faultless. He made a few bad decisions, getting rid of Jamie Ward was one and some of the signings he brought in count as his others. Luck wasn't with him either.

Booing him would be ridiculous. He did his best with a pile of shit and must have been so disappointed with how things turned out despite having good intentions. He's a Blade and a good bloke. Talks a decent game and is obviously a reasonable manager given his success twice now with Port Vale. Just wasn't meant to be and I wish him all the best.

No it wasn't. As me and others have said ad nausuem, the club were outside the relegation zone when he arrived and recent form suggested a lower mid table finish. What Adams did was to turn a mediocre team into a spectaculary bad one. He is the only person to blame for that.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

No it wasn't. As me and others have said ad nausuem, the club were outside the relegation zone when he arrived and recent form suggested a lower mid table finish. What Adams did was to turn a mediocre team into a spectaculary bad one. He is the only person to blame for that.

Sorry but I don't entirely agree. I acknowledged that he wasn't without blame. He got rid of one or two decent players and brought in some that weren't up to the mark. Despite being above the relegation zone when he came in I still think we were in danger of going down. We were awful before he arrived as well. For me all he failed to do was improve us. We were shite all season.

 

[Revolution]

He is the only person to blame for that.

You think he would have let Bartley et al go if it was up to him?

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

They should get Pauline from The League of Gentlemen to introduce him.

"Micky love, what is the capital of France?"
"er...."

 

[Darren]

Sorry but I don't entirely agree. I acknowledged that he wasn't without blame. He got rid of one or two decent players and brought in some that weren't up to the mark. Despite being above the relegation zone when he came in I still think we were in danger of going down. We were awful before he arrived as well. For me all he failed to do was improve us. We were shite all season.

Our record before Adams arrived:

P23 W7 D4 L12 pts 25 ppg 1.09 - projected points over the season 50

Under Adams

P23 W4 D5 L14 pts 17 ppg 0.74 - projected points over season 34

In other words had we carried on with pre-Adams form we would have finished 19th and survived. Had we had the Adams' form all season we would have been bottom by 8 points. Seems a big difference to me.

 

[Darren]

He is the only person to blame for that.

You think he would have let Bartley et al go if it was up to him?

Perhaps not, but the money he had for Bartley was still available to him and he wasted it on Maddock, Lowry, Bent etc.

 

[Zanzibar]

Micky Adams is a Blade - whether or not he is any good as a football manager - who knows?
Don't blame Micky Adams for relegation - the blame lays fairly and squarely on McCabe's shoulders!
We should welcome Micky back tomorrow - it wasn't his fault!

Are you saying that it wasn't his fault because he was picked by McCabe and he was being promoted beyond his pay grade?
He certainly brought in quite a few players who however were not good enough then, and now.
Whatever the answer McCabe is certainly central though.

 

[Bergen Blade]

No it wasn't. As me and others have said ad nausuem, the club were outside the relegation zone when he arrived and recent form suggested a lower mid table finish. What Adams did was to turn a mediocre team into a spectaculary bad one. He is the only person to blame for that.

Do you think it's a relevant fact that he was our fourth manager within a struggling season?

 

[Robbie]

I don't agree with the booing of Mickey, but we should not be welcoming him back.
He failed us, big time. Who cares if he is a Blade or not?

MA, thankfully (well sadly) is part of our history and not our future.

 

[Robbie]

Do you think it's a relevant fact that he was our fourth manager within a struggling season?

Do you think it is relevant that Gary Speed was our third manager, with no previous experience and less leeway to bring players in/ship them out - and had a better record?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

No it wasn't. As me and others have said ad nausuem, the club were outside the relegation zone when he arrived and recent form suggested a lower mid table finish. What Adams did was to turn a mediocre team into a spectaculary bad one. He is the only person to blame for that.

As rev says, that team did lose bartley. How many results would speed have had, if Andy Reid hadn't have been in the team?

I agree with you that he spent the money on crap. Maybe no-one decent wanted to come and play for a team managed by Adams?

 

[Darren]

As rev says, that team did lose bartley. How many results would speed have had, if Andy Reid hadn't have been in the team?

I agree with you that he spent the money on crap. Maybe no-one decent wanted to come and play for a team managed by Adams?

I believe Reid played his first game at home to Coventry on 30/10/10 and Speed's last game in charge was at Barnsley on 11/12/10. I don't know if Reid played in all the games in that period, but assuming he did, our record was P7 W2 D1 L4 pts 7. Speed's record in the pre-Reid games was P11 W4 D2 L5 pts 14.

So Speed actually did better without Reid than with him. So much for that myth....

 

[Bergen Blade]

Do you think it is relevant that Gary Speed was our third manager, with no previous experience and less leeway to bring players in/ship them out - and had a better record?

Gary Speed was our second manager, had been with the club for a while and knew the players. I think the stat for clubs that change managers twice in a season is better than clubs that change manager four times. Alan Pardew was Charlton's third manager the season they were relegated along with us.

I agree with you that we shouldn't make a big deal of Adams returning.

 

[alcoblade]

Perhaps not, but the money he had for Bartley was still available to him and he wasted it on Maddock, Lowry, Bent etc.

I think you meant Mattock? My god, he was rubbish. Is he still getting a game for the pigs?

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[Coily]

Our record before Adams arrived:

P23 W7 D4 L12 pts 25 ppg 1.09 - projected points over the season 50

Under Adams

P23 W4 D5 L14 pts 17 ppg 0.74 - projected points over season 34

In other words had we carried on with pre-Adams form we would have finished 19th and survived. Had we had the Adams' form all season we would have been bottom by 8 points. Seems a big difference to me.

On the face of it, the evidence is damning against Adams. But I look back on the games we won under Speed, and I'm struggling to convince myself that we deserved to win any of them. Certainly, we were very fortunate against Pompey, had Millwall had any type of striker we'd have been gubbed at the Den, were fortunate against Palace winning a never in this wide world penalty. Though I wasn't there I recall from reports us not being at all convincing against PNE, Derby, Hull and Swansea.

This is not a pro-Adams case - far from it - but our position was in view misleading when Speed left and we were a side in a great deal of trouble. The rest of the season bore that out in my view.

Adams failed miserably, but there was only so much he could do, and the players were an indisciplined disgrace to the shirt in far too many games. I've seen a lot of shit United teams, but the unprofessional rabble I saw at Watford for example was the only time I've been truly embarrassed to be a Blade.

 

[Darren]

On the face of it, the evidence is damning against Adams. But I look back on the games we won under Speed, and I'm struggling to convince myself that we deserved to win any of them. Certainly, we were very fortunate against Pompey, had Millwall had any type of striker we'd have been gubbed at the Den, were fortunate against Palace winning a never in this wide world penalty. Though I wasn't there I recall from reports us not being at all convincing against PNE, Derby, Hull and Swansea.

This is not a pro-Adams case - far from it - but our position was in view misleading when Speed left and we were a side in a great deal of trouble. The rest of the season bore that out in my view.

Adams failed miserably, but there was only so much he could do, and the players were an indisciplined disgrace to the shirt in far too many games. I've seen a lot of shit United teams, but the unprofessional rabble I saw at Watford for example was the only time I've been truly embarrassed to be a Blade.

But wins when we didn't "deserve to win" are just as much wins as any other and I think a period of 23 games is enough to judge how good a team really is - you can't be "lucky" for that length of time. You can also look at game we were unlucky not to win - the Boxing Day game v Hull when, at 2-2, there was only going to be one winner until Hull broke away from our corner and scored the winner in the 6th minute of injury time and the game at Leicester when a last minute equaliser deprived us of a win. There was also that fine permormance at Cardiff on the first day of the season when we came away with a 1-1 draw despite having 10 men for 70 minutes after Lowton was sent off - if he hadn't been we would have probably won that game.

The reality is that at the half way point we had shown we were a poor team , but with probably just enough to avoid relegation. Adams turned that team into relegation certs.