Outgoing? Michael Cooper

[Flatulent_Bob]

Don’t know how reliable this chap is

He isn't. At all.

 

[WayneAllison]

If it’s true there’s genuine interest in Cooper, it’s at these times the resolve and intent of our new owners is tested.

McCabe was always accused of giving our players away. PA perhaps not so much.

I go along with some on here that Cooper’s not for sale (at this time), so hopefully that is correct?

One thing’s for sure, regardless of what fans think, these owners will do what they want to do, as already witnessed with CW

You have to sell players

Cooper is good/ great keeper but 20/25 mill after a good season with us is great value


Sell and re invest

 

[WayneAllison]

He isn't. At all.

Your deluding yourself if you think cooper wouldn’t jump at the chance to play in the prem on a much higher wage in a far bigger club in London

 

[originaltrueblade]

Far bigger club my arse

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

"Are completing final checks"
WTF does that mean?!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

"Are completing final checks"
WTF does that mean?!

it means it's made up.

 

[Booker4]

Far bigger club my arse

Before move to the London stadium the gap between the two was smaller but now they're averaging 55,000 plus every match and they've not got relegated since they moved there. So now they are much bigger, sadly.

 

[ATL Recs]

Far bigger club my arse

Sadly they are far bigger than us

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Far bigger, club my arse

Fixed your grammar. Not sure why you'd ask someone to club your arse on a public forum but each to their own.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

 

[Champagneblade]

Could offer League One Wes for Soon-to-be League One Wednesday!

 

[blAdes96]

The owners talked about "ambition" and the goal to be a Premier League side.

Selling a keeper we brought in for 2m for upwards of 15m+ is a great SHORT-TERM boost. But it goes against this long term goal/ ambition...?

He had a fantastic first season with us, would arguably be the BEST keeper in the division this season & worth double -or more- if we are to be promoted this season to the Prem.

Also, can't see Cooper wanting to go from being first choice, to competing/ being a number 2 [all be it at higher level]...

 

[TJ blade]

it means it's made up.

Or other words bolloxs

 

[Blade58]

You have to sell players

Cooper is good/ great keeper but 20/25 mill after a good season with us is great value


Sell and re invest

“Sell and reinvest”

I get that and it’s all great, unless they don’t reinvest like we expect them to.

The GK is the one spot that we shouldn’t fk about with imo. We have an excellent keeper on a long contract and if serious about pushing for promotion should hang on to him and especially important when our two back up keepers aren’t anywhere near the standard required.

By all means sell Kieffer Moore who’s nearly 33, not been great for us and replace him if possible, but the GK is a different kettle of fish imo

 

[WayneAllison]

“Sell and reinvest”

I get that and it’s all great, unless they don’t reinvest like we expect them to.

The GK is the one spot that we shouldn’t fk about with imo. We have an excellent keeper on a long contract and if serious about pushing for promotion should hang on to him and especially important when our two back up keepers aren’t anywhere near the standard required.

By all means sell Kieffer Moore who’s nearly 33, not been great for us and replace him if possible, but the GK is a different kettle of fish imo

If we sold him for 20/25 million and spent 15 mill on 2 or 3 players id be happy for him to go

I like cooper but there are other coopers out there

We just dont really know how much money the new owners have if we are all been honest

 

[KMC-1889]

I do think we’re in danger of over-hyping Cooper. He’s the best keeper we’ve had since Henderson, but we did manage to get promoted with Wes in sticks and Robinson & Lowe in the back line so I don’t think it’s the disaster everyone seems to think it would be.

The challenge is getting a good fee for him.

 

[robbiez666]

The owners talked about "ambition" and the goal to be a Premier League side.

Selling a keeper we brought in for 2m for upwards of 15m+ is a great SHORT-TERM boost. But it goes against this long term goal/ ambition...?

He had a fantastic first season with us, would arguably be the BEST keeper in the division this season & worth double -or more- if we are to be promoted this season to the Prem.

Also, can't see Cooper wanting to go from being first choice, to competing/ being a number 2 [all be it at higher level]...

I really can't see his value rising significantly more than it is today. His dire distribution and use of his feet will get exposed in the Premier League at a team which passes out from the back. He's not worth double. Never will be. That put him in the top 20 of most expensive goalkeepers of all time.

 

[HeySethUTB]

Load of toss

 

[Blade58]

It is not worth their while to spend over £100m on the club with commitments to have category one status academy etc. if they are going to assett strip the club. They only make any real money if they get us into the premier league and stay there, that is what they have said and that is the logical thing for them to do.
The fact that they sacked your beloved Wilder is the first step on the road to running us on a proper business like basis, and not as a one man band with a guy wanting to make all the decisions.
If he had got us promotion and played front foot football and been prepared to adhere to a management structure which meant him not throwing his bat and ball out if he did not get his own way he would still be here.

I think you have your wires crossed Bertie.

Wilder is not my beloved. I’m not sure I would’ve sacked him however. I’ve been a little indifferent towards him

As for Selles, I’m not sure I would’ve employed him either. Yes, he has my support, but do I think he was the right choice? Not so sure about him and time will tell for everyone concerned

 

[Nick Jansky]

“Sell and reinvest”

I get that and it’s all great, unless they don’t reinvest like we expect them to.

So you’re saying we should never sell a player for a huge profit just in case the money doesn’t get reinvested? Even though there’s no indication whatsoever that the money wouldn’t be reinvested?

 

[Blade58]

If we sold him for 20/25 million and spent 15 mill on 2 or 3 players id be happy for him to go

I like cooper but there are other coopers out there

We just dont really know how much money the new owners have if we are all been honest

Good in theory but he wouldn’t be sold for that value imo. The £15m touted is probably his ceiling

You’re right though about none of us know how much they have, more importantly how much they are prepared to invest?

I wonder if anyone has looked at this from another angle? They may wish to invest but their actual “ability” to invest may have changed since taking over?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Good in theory but he wouldn’t be sold for that value imo. The £15m touted is probably his ceiling

You’re right though about none of us know how much they have, more importantly how much they are prepared to invest?

I wonder if anyone has looked at this from another angle? They may wish to invest but their actual “ability” to invest may have changed since taking over?

I would suggest we will have a better idea by the end of the transfer window. What we are seeing from you and others at the moment is textbook premature ejaculation based on nothing at all.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Selling Cooper this season would be an absolute joke! He’s on a long term contract, and he’s got Premier League quality if we were to go up. Short term thinking. There would still be willing buyers the season after if we don’t get promoted, and he’d carry a higher price tag.

 

[Blade58]

So you’re saying we should never sell a player for a huge profit just in case the money doesn’t get reinvested? Even though there’s no indication whatsoever that the money wouldn’t be reinvested?

Don’t put words in my mouth Nick.
No I’m not saying that. I’ve said on other occasions to sell players as long as it’s reinvested. I’ve just said it about Keiffer Moore. What I tried to say is we shouldn’t sell our GK, who for me is the most important position on the pitch. You might not think so, but I do.

As for any fee being reinvested by our owners, I don’t know? I suppose I’m still awaiting some of the Souza monies to be invested. We’ll see

 

[mattbianco1]

I don’t want Cooper to leave. He’s one position we don’t have to worry about.

But if he did, who would you look at?

In terms of similar trajectory. The Wrexham keeper did well, as did Allsop at Brum, both of which would be hard to prize away.

As such I reckon the Wigan goalie Same Tickle would be an option. He’s 23, slightly taller than Cooper, marginally and has an impressive 20 clean sheets in 51 matches with only 46 conceded and led League One in saves to goals ratio.

I also liked the Finnish lad at Celtic but would imagine he’s just biding his time for Schmeichel to move over.

Any other players you’d fancy? Just hypothetically.

Back in May i suggested 2 young GKs as understudy's.
Could they make the step up to be immediate #1?

Owen Goodman - Crystal Palace. Was at Wimbledon is an England u20 international. Now gone to Huddersfield on loan
Tommy Simkin - Stoke. Was at Walsall is an England u21 international. Now gone to Leyton Orient on loan

2 to keep an eye on and consider in January

 

[Bladesman]

 

[bertieblade]

That article states that Traffords total fee is £31m.
On that basis £20m is the minimum amount for Cooper, which should be £20m guaranteed and up to an additional £5m in add ons. Then we would have a deal of not he stays because on the basis of Traffords fee Coopers will only go up

 

[Weasel]

Whilst it would look good for the balance sheet, a fee of £15m for Cooper when we don't have to sell, hes on a long contract, hes young and only getting better, and hes happy to stay, then it would be too low.

As others have alluded to, look at fees for others as a comparison and no one can tell me Trafford was that much better than Cooper to the extent of being nearly twice the fee (if we sold for £15m). Truth be told, I'm still not overly convinced about Trafford either and I think he just had a dream season where everything went right for him, he was behind a fantastically drilled defence, a team set up not to concede, and he had more than his fair share of luck (2 late penalty saves in one game from memory, which is just ultimately guessing the right way each time).

Coops for £20m plus add ons... fair enough, but under that figure, daft to sell. He will still hold his value and if we don't go up this season, then maybe we look at a smaller figure for him next summer if he wants out then.

 

[Rodley]

Whilst it would look good for the balance sheet, a fee of £15m for Cooper when we don't have to sell, hes on a long contract, hes young and only getting better, and hes happy to stay, then it would be too low.

As others have alluded to, look at fees flr others as a comparison and no one can tell me Trafford was much better than Cooper to the extent of nearly twice the fee (if sold for £15m). Truth be told, um still not overly convinced about Trafford either and I think he just had a a dream season where he was behind a fantastically drilled defence, a team set up not to concede, and he had more than his fair share of luck (2 late penalty saves in one game in think which is just guessing the right way each time ultimately). Coops for £20m plus add ons... fair enough, but under that figure, daft to sell.

He will still hold his value and if we don't go up this season, then maybe we look at a smaller figure for him next summer of he wants out then.

I don’t think his value drops if he stays. He will clearly be the best keeper in the championship next year.

 

[NateDogg]

Selling Cooper for £15m would only be beaten for shocking transfers by losing Ndiaye for what we lost him for. You can talk all day long about him being easy to replace but how many keepers have we owned since Kelly and Tracey have we had as good as Cooper? Having a good keeper is as important as having a good striker. We have no pressure whatsoever to sell so unless he pushes for a move then we tell any club to pay the max we get out of this deal. £15m is an insult into days market. I bet Ramsdale will go to Newcastle for more than that.