McEverly

[Pittsburg Blade]

On another note, as club Captain, why the fuck aren't you doing this interview after such a result instead of wheeling Chris Basham out!?!??

McE isn't comfortable with interviews. Did you not see his pre-game attempt?

 

[robbiez666]

Credit to Bash, he looked shell-shocked and sounds like he cares.

I don't think I've ever heard a player saying his team lacked heart before. Fair play for the honesty.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

He was captain of a side favourites to win the division which capitulated embarrassingly at unfashionable Gillingham. A side lacking "heart" according to Chris Basham.

Surely he doesn't deserve an easy ride in circumstances like these?

It's not about being given an easy ride. But at the moment it reads like scapegoating.

Why is McEveley being singled out?

I'm not defending him, and he did one thing that was indefensible but if he is being scapegoated then that means the real issues are not being addressed, and a potentially decent player will be lost to the club at some cost.

If things have gone wrong, then it makes sense to work out what those things are, rather than pile the blame on the shoulders of one player.

For now I see him as both a scapegoat and massively out of order, if that's possible.

I don't think we lost on Satdi bc of McEveley but that seems to be the idea that's taking hold.

A few here think he was decent at CH at least till Spurs away, it makes sense to get that player back, rather than jettisoning him at considerable expense in more ways than one.

 

[sheffielder]

The goals were down to Long really.

McEveley did have a go at him at one point and didn't generally seem suited to the role of captain in terms of inspiring and marshalling the players.

But the organisation at corners is sorted before the game so he doesn't necessarily have to do that. Does he?

On the playing side what did he do wrong? Genuine question.

The first one I can't make my mind up. They had 2 players to our 7 in the 6 yard box, yet our keeper was marking their player. George should have been stronger but where is the fucking organisation. Enough blame to go around there I am afraid

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

It's not about being given an easy ride. But at the moment it reads like scapegoating.

Why is McEveley being singled out?

I'm not defending him, and he did one thing that was indefensible but if he is being scapegoated then that means the real issues are not being addressed, and a potentially decent player will be lost to the club at some cost.

If things have gone wrong, then it makes sense to work out what those things are, rather than pile the blame on the shoulders of one player.

For now I see him as both a scapegoat and massively out of order, if that's possible.

I don't think we lost on Satdi bc of McEveley but that seems to be the idea that's taking hold.

A few here think he was decent at CH at least till Spurs away, it makes sense to get that player back, rather than jettisoning him at considerable expense in more ways than one.

I think you're overreacting a little WHF, as well as downplaying the importance of McEveley's role as captain (& therefore leader) tbh.

As regards how he played, I respect your opinion, especially as you were there in the flesh & I wasn't. Did he play particularly well? Or was it more a case of him playing poorly in a generally poor team performance?

I don't think he's being scapegoated in the least though. He's being criticised, as he should be.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

Sorry but someone has to say it........it's MCEVELEY!!!!!!!!!

Oh well thank you

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I think you're overreacting a little WHF

Really? Just from this shortish thread:

it must be very difficult playing along side an awful CB such as McEverly.

JM really is dog shit.

put him in the pirate suit to entertain the kids.

McEveley is garbage

the derided JayMac following Saturday's debacle

I have my views on McEveley's performance and they're not all positive , but I was wondering what others thought first.

(Also tbh I don't read the defensive side of the game at all, apart from some obvious stuff.)

I think there's scapegoating: McEveley was not alone in underachieving. For me far and away the worst individual outfield player was McFadzean, but he just looked horribly out of position - and generally lost. Not necessarily his fault though.

Plenty, though not all, of the team were a yard or two off the pace.

I suspect it's a forlorn hope but I'd like to see him given a chance. He has previously put in good performances and if he can regain form then it's to the team's benefit.

As it is it's often: We were crap, it must be McEveley.

(There is one big caveat.)

 

[AlienWoodward]

Long couldn't get to the ball for the first goal unless he had parted Mac and Collins miraculously like the red sea, walked between them and claimed the ball. Why didn't they jump and try to head it ?
I still haven't seen the goals yet on tv only what's in my memory from the game. The second goal as I recall wouldn't have been a corner had Collins dealt with the incoming ball better before the corner.
McEveley was very poor absolutely shit distribution of the ball every time he had possession. I recall a clearance / pass I don't really know what it was he did, but it must have been easier to keep the ball in play then slice it for a throw in. Resulting in their player bombing another cross like throw in at our goal. Team captain my arse

 

[Cheebley]

Does it make him a better player if we spell his name correctly?

Oh thats what he was getting at, i just thought he wanted to say his name in a thread. Mackeverlie there ive done it too!!

 

[Billyblade]

Sorry but someone has to say it........it's MCEVELEY!!!!!!!!!

Bloke behind me calls him Cleverley.
Mind you, he is a bit of a nob

 

[Gavlar]

Not a fan of Jmac really, but now he's captain we're stuck with him for a while.
Still getting Edgar in is a great start, onwards and upwards.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Long couldn't get to the ball for the first goal unless he had parted Mac and Collins miraculously like the red sea, walked between them and claimed the ball. Why didn't they jump and try to head it ?
I still haven't seen the goals yet on tv only what's in my memory from the game. The second goal as I recall wouldn't have been a corner had Collins dealt with the incoming ball better before the corner.
McEveley was very poor absolutely shit distribution of the ball every time he had possession. I recall a clearance / pass I don't really know what it was he did, but it must have been easier to keep the ball in play then slice it for a throw in. Resulting in their player bombing another cross like throw in at our goal. Team captain my arse

This I get. Rather than just: He's crap.

 

[robbiez666]

McEverley seems to shirk responsibility on the pitch. Whilst Collins is a pillock who berates anyone other than himself, J-Mac tries to look as inconspicuous as possible so no one notices him. Now he's captain, he's doing the same off the pitch as well. Basham having to do his job for him. It's like school.

 

[Swanseablade]

I haven't seen the match but Collins has always been an average CB at this level, not a terrible one as I would think after Sat. Surely he hasn't completely lost it.
Also it must be very difficult playing along side an awful CB such as McEverly. So my plan would be if McE. Has to play, move him to left back and give Collins a chance with the new guy.

I've said it before about Collins, he is defo a confidence player.
I knows all players are to an extent, but his performances tend to be more so.....
We have seen the good and the bad & it is no different to what L**ds & Wolves fans were saying.
Personally I think his "good" is average compared to some of the CH we have had at the Lane over the years.
Collins definitely improved as Harry matured as a CH. early on Collins was very suspect but as the confidence came alongside Harry he became more steady, more reliable. We all know he's never gonna be that great, but maybe alongside Edgar he will settle down a bit? I do agree with the vast majority on here, we need another CH as a minimum- preferably 2!
What would be nice now is a mobile CH in the mould of "Killa."
Dream on eh!!

 

[Bergen Blade]

What would a fair assessment of McEveley's performance on Satdi be?

Long was at fault for the first two, and maybe bc of the jitters he spread, the third as well. The fourth was a team effort with three failed tackles and three not closing down the shot.

I saw a couple of things he did wrong - one of which was extremely poor.

So far though most of the posts are just assertions that he's crap with not much supporting evidence.

There seems to be an element of scapegoating.

Was McEveley noticeably worse than anyone else?

Our centre halves played ok vs Gillingham.

Gillingham had loads of crosses, won most second balls, and were very dangerous from set pieces. They seemed to be able to avoid our centre halves/Basham for a lot of the set pieces and picked out players who were marked by smaller players (McFadzean, Freeman). We man marked at set pieces and therefore Collins' job is to make sure his man doesn't get to the ball, and the same with McEveley and Basham. From open play Collins and McEveley dealt with a lot of what was thrown at them, in a game where our midfield was very poor.

 

[BushBlade]

I've said it before about Collins, he is defo a confidence player.
I knows all players are to an extent, but his performances tend to be more so.....
We have seen the good and the bad & it is no different to what L**ds & Wolves fans were saying.
Personally I think his "good" is average compared to some of the CH we have had at the Lane over the years.
Collins definitely improved as Harry matured as a CH. early on Collins was very suspect but as the confidence came alongside Harry he became more steady, more reliable. We all know he's never gonna be that great, but maybe alongside Edgar he will settle down a bit? I do agree with the vast majority on here, we need another CH as a minimum- preferably 2!
What would be nice now is a mobile CH in the mould of "Killa."
Dream on eh!!

I agree and I think McEv is also a confidence player. I don't think we can line up with two confidence players in central defence and another one in goal. Too flaky. We need someone with the skin of a rhino, who genuinely doesn't give a shit what others think of him and is prepared to accept responsibility.
Maybe Edgar is the man? Hope so.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I agree and I think McEv is also a confidence player. I don't think we can line up with two confidence players in central defence and another one in goal. Too flaky. We need someone with the skin of a rhino, who genuinely doesn't give a shit what others think of him and is prepared to accept responsibility.
Maybe Edgar is the man? Hope so.

Agree about McEv being a confidence player (& reckon it was shot confidence more than his injury problems that was at the root of his poor form in the latter part of last season). Which makes the decision to make him captain all the odder.