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That's because we were a Division higher, in much less debt, and owned our own ground before he started being brilliant. All despite an extra 7000 paying customers/ so-called "fans" rallying round in the intervening period.

It's a bit like meeting the burglar who stole all your poseesions and thanking him for not having a shit on your carpet.
 
credit is not as freely given as criticism Ive noticed

If my memory serves he picked up lots of credit when we went to the Premier League (more than the manager in many places).
As we are now two divisions below that, and still one below where he kicked off from, and he is the one constant in that decline, then perhaps he has some catching up to do before the credit starts flowing freely again.
 
Really not bothered how we got here however I feel as a club we could be getting to a better place as a club. From what I understand from one of the Academy guys the likes of Whitehouse, Ironside, Long etc; are just scratching the surface of things still to come from the academy
 
yes lets blame him for getting relegated , not the players or the devastating list of injuries we succumbed to. his sole job is to fund us , our on the pitch record is down to managers and players, ,staying in the prem has proven too difficult for 56 % of those promoted there,we were unlucky to lose our status with 38 points only twice has that occurred before
we are hardly a lucky club , relegated twice from the prem on gd by 1 goal ,
 
So we were unlucky in the Prem. And the intervening FIVE seasons since then?

I suggest his selling of the better players, miss-use of the parachute payments and his appalling taste in managers has left us worse off than we should have been.
 
no matter how inept some say he is , we have brought in 2 players without the need of having to sell any one
not so fast to point this out some people
and 5 academy players in the team that walked off the pitch saturday ,the academy he built
credit is not as freely given as criticism Ive noticed
As i mentioned on another thread it shows how we are desperate to get out of this league because in the past Higginbotham would have signed for a month as cover then we'd get another injury and it would have put us back to square one.
 
the will is there from the top , not that youd know it by some comments

and 2nd best overall results in 2012 of all league clubs , doing something right
 
As i mentioned on another thread it shows how we are desperate to get out of this league because in the past Higginbotham would have signed for a month as cover then we'd get another injury and it would have put us back to square one.

Bit confused, isn't the signing of Higginbotham a good thing then by your rational?
 
So we were unlucky in the Prem. And the intervening FIVE seasons since then?

I suggest his selling of the better players, miss-use of the parachute payments and his appalling taste in managers has left us worse off than we should have been.

Correct reasons there Grecian just in the wrong order IMHO.

McCabe's decision to appoint a "name" in Bryan Robson and the open chequebook which Robson required is the sole reason we're in this mess. The misuse of parachute payments and selling of the better players stemmed from some shocking signings in the Robson era.

Had we appointed someone who knew what they were doing in 2007, none of the horrors from that point forward would have happened. In fact, I'd wager that we'd be where West Brom and Stoke are now: a mid-table Premiership side with a couple of decent cup runs under our belts.
 
no matter how inept some say he is , we have brought in 2 players without the need of having to sell any one
not so fast to point this out some people
and 5 academy players in the team that walked off the pitch saturday ,the academy he built
credit is not as freely given as criticism Ive noticed


Woah Woah Woah sweet child of mine!

I'll be amazed if we don't sell anyone this Jan.

UTB
 
I've always felt that McCabe is doing what he thinks is right for the good of the club, but also the Scarborough Group. I don't believe that the club is in any danger of going under.

McCabe got a lot of credit for guiding us, with a good Championship level manager, in Warnock to the Premier League. I always felt that his plans, had we stayed there, were ambitious enough, but they were always his plans, not the fans plans. In theory it was simple. Buy up small clubs to use as feeders, manage the way they are run in the blades way. Take a Chinese club and watch the brand take off in China. Great ideas in principle. I bought into the idea, I'm not adverse to doing things differently and trying new things... so why not.

But nothing went as planned... and like a bad gambler he was chasing his losses. Perhaps there was a reason why nobody else tried the things we did...

I'm not sure if it was bad guidance, bad judgement or just nobody willing to question his judgement, but all of the problems that we have today stem from the appointment of Robson and we all know how that went.

On top of this, the footballing empire collapsed around him. Turry's activities in Budapest, Chengdu getting relegated on the back of match fixing and Robbo's absolute failure to name a few.

Blackwell was the right appointment at the time. He appeared to be doing the job he was employed to do, but things started to get desperate, perhaps some loyalty got in the way after the Play Off Defeat, who knows. But the timing of Blackwell's eventual sacking was woeful, but that still wasn't enough to concede relegation. The decline had set in and going from a Top 3 side, to relegation in a year can't be laid at the feet of one man. So many factors, so many people. I don't blame McCabe for relegation, I blame him for relying on expensive loanees. I feel that more could've been done to delay the sacking of Blackwell (we weren't going to be relegated under him, just end up mid/ lower table at worst). Speeds departure was badly timed, going into a one month transfer window with a new manager, Micky Adams had little chance to sort things in the transfer market. All he could've done was stop the rot, just like Blackwell had done. It didn't happen.

So relegation was confirmed, Micky Adams wasn't given a chance to make amends and McCabe saw a chance to change a lot with Danny Wilson's appointment. Call it confidence, call it arrogance, but he believed in Danny Wilson. I didn't. But he made the call and I think we all agree that last season was one of the most enjoyable... up to MK Dons away.

So we end up sat in 2nd place in the New Year, we know things are tight financially, but so far there appears to be backing for the manager with two new signings. Potentially Murphy looks a very exciting prospect, Higgo, looks a steady, experienced player.

I think McCabe has a lot to answer for, he's guided us to what he thought was the best for the club (and I'm sure for himself as well) and it failed. We're two divisions below where he and we want to be, but I think things are being put right slowly.

It now comes down to his nerve and looking at the long term plan. Do we need to sell the likes of Long and Harry? Sure we could do with 1 or 2 million, but were part of the bigger group, so we don't really need to make a profit at the club. We get decent attendances and whilst TV and advertising revenues are low, we are getting by (with the help of McCabe). But Long and Harry's wages won't be huge, there will be bigger earners, so there is no real benefit in selling them.

Whether McCabe is able to resist his chance to roll out the old line of "well, when the big teams come knocking its hard to turn them down" will remain to be seen at the end of the month or the end of the season.

One thing is for sure, McCabe's stock will rise if he resists the chance to sell the best players and concentrate on giving Danny Wilson the resources necessary to give us the best chance possible of promotion. Then the real work will start for everyone at the club
 
Really not bothered how we got here however I feel as a club we could be getting to a better place as a club. From what I understand from one of the Academy guys the likes of Whitehouse, Ironside, Long etc; are just scratching the surface of things still to come from the academy

The next crop of quality youngsters will not appear for another 3 years. The 16s-18s are not very good.
 



amazing that we have potentially 5 ex academy players (and one assumes on ex academy wages) in the first team and we're still skint.. what are cresswell and doyle on??
i'm worried about Kennedy breaking through.. it gives McCabe an excuse to sell Harry
either way it is a bit of a shambles tbh
 
no matter how inept some say he is , we have brought in 2 players without the need of having to sell any one
not so fast to point this out some people
and 5 academy players in the team that walked off the pitch saturday ,the academy he built
credit is not as freely given as criticism Ive noticed

Pure comedy gold.
 
That's because we were a Division higher, in much less debt, and owned our own ground before he started being brilliant. All despite an extra 7000 paying customers/ so-called "fans" rallying round in the intervening period.

It's a bit like meeting the burglar who stole all your poseesions and thanking him for not having a shit on your carpet.

Like it Raul, like it alot.
 
no matter how inept some say he is , we have brought in 2 players without the need of having to sell any one
not so fast to point this out some people
and 5 academy players in the team that walked off the pitch saturday ,the academy he built
credit is not as freely given as criticism Ive noticed

I'd just like to say January is a long month, yeah we signed a stand in CB and the lad from Motherwell should be putting pen to paper any time soon but lets not put the bunting out and organise the street parties just yet, still penty of time to lose some of the future decent players.
 
amazing that we have potentially 5 ex academy players (and one assumes on ex academy wages) in the first team and we're still skint.. what are cresswell and doyle on??
i'm worried about Kennedy breaking through.. it gives McCabe an excuse to sell Harry
either way it is a bit of a shambles tbh
It's a bit of a shambles that we're producing our own players? Cripes.
 
I've always felt that McCabe is doing what he thinks is right for the good of the club, but also the Scarborough Group. I don't believe that the club is in any danger of going under.

McCabe got a lot of credit for guiding us, with a good Championship level manager, in Warnock to the Premier League. I always felt that his plans, had we stayed there, were ambitious enough, but they were always his plans, not the fans plans. In theory it was simple. Buy up small clubs to use as feeders, manage the way they are run in the blades way. Take a Chinese club and watch the brand take off in China. Great ideas in principle. I bought into the idea, I'm not adverse to doing things differently and trying new things... so why not.

But nothing went as planned... and like a bad gambler he was chasing his losses. Perhaps there was a reason why nobody else tried the things we did...

I'm not sure if it was bad guidance, bad judgement or just nobody willing to question his judgement, but all of the problems that we have today stem from the appointment of Robson and we all know how that went.

On top of this, the footballing empire collapsed around him. Turry's activities in Budapest, Chengdu getting relegated on the back of match fixing and Robbo's absolute failure to name a few.

Blackwell was the right appointment at the time. He appeared to be doing the job he was employed to do, but things started to get desperate, perhaps some loyalty got in the way after the Play Off Defeat, who knows. But the timing of Blackwell's eventual sacking was woeful, but that still wasn't enough to concede relegation. The decline had set in and going from a Top 3 side, to relegation in a year can't be laid at the feet of one man. So many factors, so many people. I don't blame McCabe for relegation, I blame him for relying on expensive loanees. I feel that more could've been done to delay the sacking of Blackwell (we weren't going to be relegated under him, just end up mid/ lower table at worst). Speeds departure was badly timed, going into a one month transfer window with a new manager, Micky Adams had little chance to sort things in the transfer market. All he could've done was stop the rot, just like Blackwell had done. It didn't happen.

So relegation was confirmed, Micky Adams wasn't given a chance to make amends and McCabe saw a chance to change a lot with Danny Wilson's appointment. Call it confidence, call it arrogance, but he believed in Danny Wilson. I didn't. But he made the call and I think we all agree that last season was one of the most enjoyable... up to MK Dons away.

So we end up sat in 2nd place in the New Year, we know things are tight financially, but so far there appears to be backing for the manager with two new signings. Potentially Murphy looks a very exciting prospect, Higgo, looks a steady, experienced player.

I think McCabe has a lot to answer for, he's guided us to what he thought was the best for the club (and I'm sure for himself as well) and it failed. We're two divisions below where he and we want to be, but I think things are being put right slowly.

It now comes down to his nerve and looking at the long term plan. Do we need to sell the likes of Long and Harry? Sure we could do with 1 or 2 million, but were part of the bigger group, so we don't really need to make a profit at the club. We get decent attendances and whilst TV and advertising revenues are low, we are getting by (with the help of McCabe). But Long and Harry's wages won't be huge, there will be bigger earners, so there is no real benefit in selling them.

Whether McCabe is able to resist his chance to roll out the old line of "well, when the big teams come knocking its hard to turn them down" will remain to be seen at the end of the month or the end of the season.

One thing is for sure, McCabe's stock will rise if he resists the chance to sell the best players and concentrate on giving Danny Wilson the resources necessary to give us the best chance possible of promotion. Then the real work will start for everyone at the club

That was well written Swiss but everyone on this site has already made their mind up as to McCabe....He is either the devil who is trying to bleed Utd dry or he is a fan who has done his best, had some success, made some errors and if he had hindsight like all the McCabe is the Devil camp wouldn't have done half the things that he has done. The fact, I think, that he is still here as are SUFC, is proof that he has the interest of all parties at heart and by all parties I mean Scarborough, SUFC and the McCabe family.
 
Really not bothered how we got here however I feel as a club we could be getting to a better place as a club. From what I understand from one of the Academy guys the likes of Whitehouse, Ironside, Long etc; are just scratching the surface of things still to come from the academy

So as Jags, both Kyles and Lowton hang their boots up we could be seeing about 10/12 ex blades in the prem?
 
I sometimes find it hard to believe people coming on here and slating Mcabe
Swiss described his journey pretty accurately in a previous post so I'll not repeat a lot of the points.

But I'll tell you what if I got as much flack as he gets I would off in a flash.
Mcabe invested in this club at the start of the finacial boom but as with a lot of ventures things haven't been that good the last four years so now he's in a loss making situation.
Despite this he keeps ploughing his money into this club when many would have cut their losses and run.
Hes financed the signings of Murphy and Higgingbottom ensuring the promotion charge why! because also he's red and white through and through.
So would we we want some Arab/Asian consortium taking over and taking us into liquidation no way.
For me we are sound with Mcabe at the helm he will guide us to promotion and stabilise us in the Championship.
 
I sometimes find it hard to believe people coming on here and slating Mcabe
Swiss described his journey pretty accurately in a previous post so I'll not repeat a lot of the points.

But I'll tell you what if I got as much flack as he gets I would off in a flash.
Mcabe invested in this club at the start of the finacial boom but as with a lot of ventures things haven't been that good the last four years so now he's in a loss making situation.
Despite this he keeps ploughing his money into this club when many would have cut their losses and run.
Hes financed the signings of Murphy and Higgingbottom ensuring the promotion charge why! because also he's red and white through and through.
So would we we want some Arab/Asian consortium taking over and taking us into liquidation no way.
For me we are sound with Mcabe at the helm he will guide us to promotion and stabilise us in the Championship.
Please explain why you believe that McCabe has personally financed the signings of Murphy and Higginbottom as I haven't seen anything to that effect?
 
What is the point of this thread, I'm not a 100% fan of his but realise what he has done for the club/stadium, is he not entitled to take any/ make any money from the club, could be worse we could follow,pompey,blackburn,forest,birmingham, and be a right fuckin laughin stock,what got us relegated was'nt his lack of puttin his hand in his pocket and buying players ched,super blade imself billy sharpe or his money spent on loans either, has he sold players which club apart from real madrid and barca don't, liverpool have given cole 3 mill to fuck off,manu sold ronaldo,beckham,etc,etc, we are not alone in selling players, or are we to tell players they can't further there careers as it would upset Beights, would jags have played for England if still with us,we were relegated when he was sold,or tell the kyles you've to stay in the championship,last week ,villa played spurs and there was 3 ex blades playing, hull v scum 3 ex blades,sunderland v spurs again 3 ex players,I know there ex players but proud as fuck they started/played for us alright kenny's not included in that, the vile sold there best 2 players to stop the tax man shuttin em down more's the pity,as I said at the start not 100% on the guy but thankful for small mercy's, Does that make me a clapper or a Blades fan?? Better the devil we know.
 



Please explain why you believe that McCabe has personally financed the signings of Murphy and Higginbottom as I haven't seen anything to that effect?
Who do you think financed it. Father Christmas!
 

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