McCabe, still there

[TarquinDelouche]

What is the point of this thread, I'm not a 100% fan of his but realise what he has done for the club/stadium, is he not entitled to take any/ make any money from the club, could be worse we could follow,pompey,blackburn,forest,birmingham, and be a right fuckin laughin stock,what got us relegated was'nt his lack of puttin his hand in his pocket and buying players ched,super blade imself billy sharpe or his money spent on loans either, has he sold players which club apart from real madrid and barca don't, liverpool have given cole 3 mill to fuck off,manu sold ronaldo,beckham,etc,etc, we are not alone in selling players, or are we to tell players they can't further there careers as it would upset Beights, would jags have played for England if still with us,we were relegated when he was sold,or tell the kyles you've to stay in the championship,last week ,villa played spurs and there was 3 ex blades playing, hull v scum 3 ex blades,sunderland v spurs again 3 ex players,I know there ex players but proud as fuck they started/played for us alright kenny's not included in that, the vile sold there best 2 players to stop the tax man shuttin em down more's the pity,as I said at the start not 100% on the guy but thankful for small mercy's, Does that make me a clapper or a Blades fan?? Better the devil we know.

I had to scatter some raisins across my screen to make up for the lack of full stops in this.

 

[blade too long]

Pure comedy gold.

no your take on it misguided
blaming him for everything is the easy option , no doubt he deliberately forked out 3 mill on ched evans so he could get sent to jail and cost us promtion , it was a devious mccabe plan
had it not been for that we would have gone up , of that I have no doubt
why not blame mccabe for the unemployment figures and the bank debacle as well

mccabes only input is putting up funds , results are the players and management , yes robson was a disaster , but on paper shouldnt have been, just like roy keane shouldnt have been

 

[sheffielder]

So as Jags, both Kyles and Lowton hang their boots up we could be seeing about 10/12 ex blades in the prem?

Grumpy sod

 

[sheffielder]

Please explain why you believe that McCabe has personally financed the signings of Murphy and Higginbottom as I haven't seen anything to that effect?

Considering he has to write a cheque every month to cover the shortfall it would be a good guess

 

[blade too long]

all those who say mccabes pocketing the profits , what profits , beattie lost 2 million evans 3 million gone up in porridge, 5 million gone on just those 2, mot mccabes fault either
income for the past 6 years has fallen woefully short of wages, 35 million short
but for McCabe wed have beaten pompey to oblivion

 

[Rodders]

all those who say mccabes pocketing the profits , what profits , beattie lost 2 million evans 3 million gone up in porridge, 5 million gone on just those 2, mot mccabes fault either
income for the past 6 years has fallen woefully short of wages, 35 million short
but for McCabe wed have beaten pompey to oblivion

Does that not equate to bad stewardship then?

 

[dublin 10 blade]

I had to scatter some raisins across my screen to make up for the lack of full stops in this.

Gather round children, your dads old schoolteacher is on the forum.Chortle,chortle. No son he's not a stunt
Or is that all you can eat data?

 

[Rodders]

What is the point of this thread, I'm not a 100% fan of his but realise what he has done for the club/stadium, is he not entitled to take any/ make any money from the club, could be worse we could follow,pompey,blackburn,forest,birmingham, and be a right fuckin laughin stock,what got us relegated was'nt his lack of puttin his hand in his pocket and buying players ched,super blade imself billy sharpe or his money spent on loans either, has he sold players which club apart from real madrid and barca don't, liverpool have given cole 3 mill to fuck off,manu sold ronaldo,beckham,etc,etc, we are not alone in selling players, or are we to tell players they can't further there careers as it would upset Beights, would jags have played for England if still with us,we were relegated when he was sold,or tell the kyles you've to stay in the championship,last week ,villa played spurs and there was 3 ex blades playing, hull v scum 3 ex blades,sunderland v spurs again 3 ex players,I know there ex players but proud as fuck they started/played for us alright kenny's not included in that, the vile sold there best 2 players to stop the tax man shuttin em down more's the pity,as I said at the start not 100% on the guy but thankful for small mercy's, Does that make me a clapper or a Blades fan?? Better the devil we know.

tl;dr

 

[davidpinder]

Bit confused, isn't the signing of Higginbotham a good thing then by your rational?

Yes that is what i am trying to say, signing higginbotham for 6 months instead on just a few games show we aren't taking any risks with lack of cover

 

[raul]

dublinbladeifyoureproudtoseexplayersplayingatahigherlevelthanyourteamaspirestoshouldntyousupportcru?

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

i've never had any issue over whether he thinks he's doing what's right for the club. i have no idea if he is, or isn't.

but anybody defending stuff like hiring robson...i give up, i really do. it's not hindsight, when he was appointed i was in utter despair. i genuinely couldn't believe it. i thought it must a joke. and loads other fans were dismayed too. people make mistakes, but that was well beyond a mistake. i could have drawn up a shortlist of 100 potential managers, and robson wouldn't have got anywhere near it.

then there's the constant betrayal of selling our key players right at the worst times, usually for pathetic amounts, and not replacing them. whilst all the time coming up with the hilarious, and frankly disrespectful, spin on how were an ambitious club and investing in youth blah blah blah.

i'm happy with the two new signings, but isn't it a strange state of affairs when we're all shocked and delighted at actually signing 2 new players for virtually no fees? other clubs in our division with barely half our crowds manage to sign 6 and 7 new players every season! other clubs fans take it for granted they will sign players. it is after all a pretty normal part of a football clubs business. every other club with vague promotion ambitions signed replacements for the players they lost, BEFORE the season started. but our manager has to get on his hands and knees to beg to sign players when we know we've needed them all season.

i'm not here to bash mccabe. i don't go to games to bash mccabe. i don't frankly give a shite who is in charge, so long as they can be seen to try to do the right things. if we sign another 2 players this window, and only let the fringe players go, i will be the first to say yes that's a massive step in the right direction. it shows we are trying to get somewhere. but i won't be holding my breathe.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

dublinbladeifyoureproudtoseexplayersplayingatahigherlevelthanyourteamaspirestoshouldntyousupportcru?

I bet it felt so wrong to type like that. How many times did you have to delete a space?

 

[Hartley Hare]

McCabe may have made some mistakes and misjudgements but it doesn't make sense that he doesn't care, or hasn't got the best interests of the club in mind. To my mind he is a far better proposition than some Chinese triad gangster, Russian mafia mobster, or diamond donkey from Africa. He has been bank rolling the club to the tune of £1m a month for the last couple of years.

Would you like to write a cheque every month for that much and watch it disappear into black hole? I can't imagine how he must have felt when Ched did himself in and cost millions in lost money. He must have cried like all of us when Simmo missed that penalty.

Get with it. If McCabe stopped supporting the club now we would be done in. FACT. Forget promotion and get ready for Portsmouth world. Div 4 is where we would end up.

HH

 

[metalblade]

McCabe may have made some mistakes and misjudgements but it doesn't make sense that he doesn't care, or hasn't got the best interests of the club in mind. To my mind he is a far better proposition than some Chinese triad gangster, Russian mafia mobster, or diamond donkey from Africa. He has been bank rolling the club to the tune of £1m a month for the last couple of years.

Would you like to write a cheque every month for that much and watch it disappear into black hole? I can't imagine how he must have felt when Ched did himself in and cost millions in lost money. He must have cried like all of us when Simmo missed that penalty.

Get with it. If McCabe stopped supporting the club now we would be done in. FACT. Forget promotion and get ready for Portsmouth world. Div 4 is where we would end up.

HH

Can you prove this ?
Have you any evidence other than the spin doctors say so ?
If this is actually true it surely is only paying the interest off on our debts of a reported £50m ........................ owed to a certain Kevin McCabe or one of his many companies which are actually just a different name in order to juggle money around.
In effect you are saying McCabe writes a cheque for £1m every month to himself. Still he has the land as security should he not be able to pay himself.

 

[blade too long]

I dont defend him bringing in robson , just say all appointments in football are gambles , some work some dont , some in hindsight Speed, I thought if anything he was worse , leaving us high and dry mid season with a load of injuries to get his "dream" job managing wales, that did for us more than Robson ever did
Getting rid of Blackwell , the timing wasnt great , but Speeds in and out did far more damage

 

[mattbianco1]

So we were unlucky in the Prem. And the intervening FIVE seasons since then?

I suggest his selling of the better players, miss-use of the parachute payments and his appalling taste in managers has left us worse off than we should have been.

He's a multi-million pound business man. He has done what he has had to do to stop the club going bust.

If the orders aren't coming in at work (results in football's case). There is no money coming in (fans are dwindling). Measures need to be taken.

It is down to McCabe's wealth that we have never had to enter administration.

 

[Balham]

If this is actually true it surely is only paying the interest off on our debts of a reported £50m ........................ owed to a certain Kevin McCabe or one of his many companies which are actually just a different name in order to juggle money around.
In effect you are saying McCabe writes a cheque for £1m every month to himself. Still he has the land as security should he not be able to pay himself.

I don't know whether you'll listen but here goes:
Our debts (interest bearing) in the June 2012 accounts were just under £20m, the bulk of which was to Scarborough at 10%pa. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is a healthy arrangement but it's nothing like as bad as you're making out. The interest forms part of the loss for the year which reduces income for the shareholders - mainly Scarborough.

McCabe isn't writing cheques to himself, either. He's writing cheques which are being used to pay Danny Wilson, Harry Maguire, Richard Cresswell and everyone else at the club; to pay the water board and electricity bills; to run Bramall Lane and Shirecliffe.

Obviously this might not tally with your view that McCabe is leeching the club dry for his own benefit.

 

[Micalijo]

i've never had any issue over whether he thinks he's doing what's right for the club. i have no idea if he is, or isn't.

but anybody defending stuff like hiring robson...i give up, i really do. it's not hindsight, when he was appointed i was in utter despair. i genuinely couldn't believe it. i thought it must a joke. and loads other fans were dismayed too. people make mistakes, but that was well beyond a mistake. i could have drawn up a shortlist of 100 potential managers, and robson wouldn't have got anywhere near it.

then there's the constant betrayal of selling our key players right at the worst times, usually for pathetic amounts, and not replacing them. whilst all the time coming up with the hilarious, and frankly disrespectful, spin on how were an ambitious club and investing in youth blah blah blah.

i'm happy with the two new signings, but isn't it a strange state of affairs when we're all shocked and delighted at actually signing 2 new players for virtually no fees? other clubs in our division with barely half our crowds manage to sign 6 and 7 new players every season! other clubs fans take it for granted they will sign players. it is after all a pretty normal part of a football clubs business. every other club with vague promotion ambitions signed replacements for the players they lost, BEFORE the season started. but our manager has to get on his hands and knees to beg to sign players when we know we've needed them all season.

i'm not here to bash mccabe. i don't go to games to bash mccabe. i don't frankly give a shite who is in charge, so long as they can be seen to try to do the right things. if we sign another 2 players this window, and only let the fringe players go, i will be the first to say yes that's a massive step in the right direction. it shows we are trying to get somewhere. but i won't be holding my breathe.

Brilliant, brilliant stuff Ken lad. Keep it up.

 

[Micalijo]

I sometimes find it hard to believe people coming on here and slating Mcabe
Swiss described his journey pretty accurately in a previous post so I'll not repeat a lot of the points.

But I'll tell you what if I got as much flack as he gets I would off in a flash.
Mcabe invested in this club at the start of the finacial boom but as with a lot of ventures things haven't been that good the last four years so now he's in a loss making situation.
Despite this he keeps ploughing his money into this club when many would have cut their losses and run.
Hes financed the signings of Murphy and Higgingbottom ensuring the promotion charge why! because also he's red and white through and through.
So would we we want some Arab/Asian consortium taking over and taking us into liquidation no way.
For me we are sound with Mcabe at the helm he will guide us to promotion and stabilise us in the Championship.

Wow - stabalise in Championship! I can hardly wait Racy. What a man that McCabe is.

Swansea, Norwich, Stoke, WBA etc all sem to have done pretty well during the last four years?

 

[Micalijo]

I don't know whether you'll listen but here goes:
Our debts (interest bearing) in the June 2012 accounts were just under £20m, the bulk of which was to Scarborough at 10%pa. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is a healthy arrangement but it's nothing like as bad as you're making out. The interest forms part of the loss for the year which reduces income for the shareholders - mainly Scarborough.

McCabe isn't writing cheques to himself, either. He's writing cheques which are being used to pay Danny Wilson, Harry Maguire, Richard Cresswell and everyone else at the club; to pay the water board and electricity bills; to run Bramall Lane and Shirecliffe.

Obviously this might not tally with your view that McCabe is leeching the club dry for his own benefit.

What's all this writing cheques business? If it is Scarborough then it is group companies loaning wedge to eachother?

What Metal is saying I believe is that if McCabe has personal wedge - ie from Valad sale or whatever - he should put this in to the football club (as his pathetic mismanagement has caused the problems). I know what you are saying but I think there is a slight difference. Basically - SUFC has been at the mercy of the property market and football clubs should never be like that.

 

[Micalijo]

What is the point of this thread, I'm not a 100% fan of his but realise what he has done for the club/stadium, is he not entitled to take any/ make any money from the club, could be worse we could follow,pompey,blackburn,forest,birmingham, and be a right fuckin laughin stock,what got us relegated was'nt his lack of puttin his hand in his pocket and buying players ched,super blade imself billy sharpe or his money spent on loans either, has he sold players which club apart from real madrid and barca don't, liverpool have given cole 3 mill to fuck off,manu sold ronaldo,beckham,etc,etc, we are not alone in selling players, or are we to tell players they can't further there careers as it would upset Beights, would jags have played for England if still with us,we were relegated when he was sold,or tell the kyles you've to stay in the championship,last week ,villa played spurs and there was 3 ex blades playing, hull v scum 3 ex blades,sunderland v spurs again 3 ex players,I know there ex players but proud as fuck they started/played for us alright kenny's not included in that, the vile sold there best 2 players to stop the tax man shuttin em down more's the pity,as I said at the start not 100% on the guy but thankful for small mercy's, Does that make me a clapper or a Blades fan?? Better the devil we know.

It makes you a clapper - the like of which I believe are destroying my beloved club.

 

[shorehamview]

It makes you a clapper - the like of which I believe are destroying my beloved club.

You see, this is the kind of patronising, name-calling rubbish that fucks people off. You honestly believe that fans who disagree with you are "destroying your club", well, that's up to you. It's the constant attitude that anyone who dares to disagree with you is wrong, and a "clapper" that tends to annoy a lot of people on here.

I'll speak for most of the members of this forum without asking them, just as you claim to speak for all United fans without asking all of them for their thoughts on anything. You've certainly not asked me, I know that much. We know you don't like McCabe, that is evident, it's just that whenever someone like dublin 10 blade says something that you don't like they get blamed for "destroying" United. At the start of the post you quoted he says that he's not "a 100% fan" of McCabe and yet you blame him for "destroying" United, and you call him a "clapper".

Let's get this straight Mic, you're not the only one that criticises Kevin McCabe and his stewardship of Sheffield United, not by a long, long way, yet for anyone who disagrees solely with your opinion then they are labelled, and you think that's fine. It is then rather surprising that when someone has a dig at you then you can't see what all the fuss is about, rather like someone who plays with matches all day then is shocked when they get their fingers burnt.

If you want to carry on calling people "clappers" when they don't agree with what you say then carry on. Just don't get surprised or upset when some of those who get annoyed by your postings start calling you names back.

I'm waiting for you to call me a "clapper" too, because I don't tread the Micalijo "McCabe = Satan" party line, even though I have criticised McCabe in the past. Or perhaps a new name can be used?

I can see it will get to the stage where Foxy has to start using his infraction stick to take action against people who have had enough of childish labelling and name-calling and decide have a pop back. We shall see. It may of course depend on how much childish labelling and name-calling they have to put up with. I suspect there will be some, based on past evidence.

You can call me names if you like, if that makes you feel any better. If it gives you a warm fuzzy glow then fire away.

Just remember that if someone disagrees with your opinion then that doesn't make them wrong.

 

[Darren]

What's all this writing cheques business? If it is Scarborough then it is group companies loaning wedge to eachother?

What Metal is saying I believe is that if McCabe has personal wedge - ie from Valad sale or whatever - he should put this in to the football club (as his pathetic mismanagement has caused the problems). I know what you are saying but I think there is a slight difference. Basically - SUFC has been at the mercy of the property market and football clubs should never be like that.

I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, the income going into the football club on a monthly basis does not cover its outgoings. It therefore follows that someone has to pump money into the club every month, otherwise it would go out of business.

 

[Balham]

What's all this writing cheques business? If it is Scarborough then it is group companies loaning wedge to eachother?

I'm not talking about McCabe literally writing out cheques. I was using metalblade's language to hopefully explain it a little better. Darren has put it succinctly:

I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, the income going into the football club on a monthly basis does not cover its outgoings. It therefore follows that someone has to pump money into the club every month, otherwise it would go out of business.

What Metal is saying I believe is that if McCabe has personal wedge - ie from Valad sale or whatever - he should put this in to the football club (as his pathetic mismanagement has caused the problems).

Hard to disagree with that but it's very easy for me to sit here and say what I think McCabe should do with his money. He's earned it - whether you agree with the methods or not - and is well within his rights to fund SUFC this way.

 

[Grecian2000]

yes robson was a disaster , but on paper shouldnt have been, just like roy keane shouldnt have been

Which bit of paper could possibly have been used to suggest that Robson (a well known busted flush) was anything but a disaster waiting to happen? I don't know of one single Blade (usual disclaimer about not knowing every single Blade etc. etc. yada yada) who thought it a good idea before it happened.

On the other hand I look forward to the 125th anniversary issue of the clubs history with great interest especially chapter 46 "The Roy Keane Years".

 

[metalblade]

I don't know whether you'll listen but here goes:
Our debts (interest bearing) in the June 2012 accounts were just under £20m, the bulk of which was to Scarborough at 10%pa. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is a healthy arrangement but it's nothing like as bad as you're making out. The interest forms part of the loss for the year which reduces income for the shareholders - mainly Scarborough.

McCabe isn't writing cheques to himself, either. He's writing cheques which are being used to pay Danny Wilson, Harry Maguire, Richard Cresswell and everyone else at the club; to pay the water board and electricity bills; to run Bramall Lane and Shirecliffe.

Obviously this might not tally with your view that McCabe is leeching the club dry for his own benefit.

Strange I thought under the FFP rules 65% of our turnover went to pay players wages etc I wonder where the other 35% goes.
Strange too how the McCabe apologist's can't see further than their nose end's, the finance problems at SUFC are the responsibility of one man and one man alone Kevin McCabe. Funny how a host of clubs with below 50% some down to 25% of our income get along fine. Why do the McCabe apologist's never ever wonder why ???

 

[Revolution]

Which bit of paper could possibly have been used to suggest that Robson (a well known busted flush) was anything but a disaster waiting to happen? I don't know of one single Blade (usual disclaimer about not knowing every single Blade etc. etc. yada yada) who thought it a good idea before it happened.

This was also my perception - and what is worse, but little remembered now, was that there was speculation in early 2007 that Robson was being lined up as Wednesday boss. Every Blade of my acquaintance thought this was hilarious and was praying for the rumour to be true...

 

[raul]

And the outgoings have been sanctioned by.....??

 

[ghandi]

Who do you think financed it. Father Christmas!

Read my post ...I said personally not through one of the many Scarborough companies.

 

[Balham]

Strange I thought under the FFP rules 65% of our turnover went to pay players wages etc I wonder where the other 35% goes.
Strange too how the McCabe apologist's can't see further than their nose end's, the finance problems at SUFC are the responsibility of one man and one man alone Kevin McCabe. Funny how a host of clubs with below 50% some down to 25% of our income get along fine. Why do the McCabe apologist's never ever wonder why ???

No "etc" about it metal, 65% of turnover is the maximum we can spend on player wages. That leaves 35% to pay everyone else, write off transfer fees, run the academy, power the floodlights, pay the gas bill, run the undersoil heating, pay the stewards...

The rest of your post is your usual patronising drivel. I agree that the financial problems are McCabe's responsibility. We're still paying for the mistakes of 6 years ago (the rot started with Warnock's January signings in the PL); expensive mistakes that the likes of Crawley and Stevenage have never had to deal with.

None of this really matters to me, I'll be at Oxford hoping to see a United team playing quick, incisive football as we saunter to a deserved 4-0 win. Will it happen? I doubt it. Will that change my support? No.