Mcburnie

[Varkanoid]

2 goals and a missed penalty. The lad is on fire.

He He bad examples where they not agree. Quoting a Sheffield United loss as a McB positive is never a good idea

Sheffield Uniteds version of Shaggy from Scooby Doo.

 

[Houston_Blade]

No !
We simply criticise any player if we think it appropriate, but don’t start or contribute to a campaign of dislike / hate.
Similarly we should be able to compliment players when they play well.

The thing is “play well” is a subjective issue and players who cost lots of money and get paid lots of money might be held to higher standards by people than those who came from non-league and earn a lot less.

 

[Cheesebored]

NDiaye whips a cross in, McBurnie gets a glancing header past Swans keeper. The goal glut begins.

And so does your mushroom induced psychotic episode by the sounds of it.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Scoring 31 goals across a season and a half in the championship for barnsley and swansea also says otherewise

They are Facts

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you ex-Chesterfield striker and top, top prospect at the time, Eoin Doyle. Another forward who couldn't stop scoring for a season and a half until a big money move. Then he couldn't start scoring - for about 5 different clubs - and is now plying his trade in the Irish Premiership.

Form is temporary, class is permanent. As is 'Lack of...'

 

[Tezza1889]

Top scorer in a a team that finished 9th in the premier league says otherwise

Scoring 31 goals across a season and a half in the championship for barnsley and swansea also says otherewise

They are Facts

This surely is just an extension of your campaign against Sharp, but sharp is clearly more dangerous and prolific isn't he, the bookies agree too, as he's always shorter odds, and they professionally have to get it right..

Mull over this one, in 109 appearances Bob Booker scored 13 goals, Oli Mcburnie currently has 7 in 77 so to break bookers goal tally OMB "the striker" will need 154 apperances, meaning at this rate it'll take mcburnie 6 years to equal what booker did in 3...(source - Wikipedia)

I still sing the catchy song, (which is becoming more ironic as time goes on) but these are the stats, hope they guide you as they have done me..

Start sharp when he's fit..

 

[Torrix1889]

The FACTS are you have convinced yourself by reiterating it a few hundred times on here that there is a footballer still in there based on Swansea and Barnsley stats, and the more you crusade the more you are believing yourself, we accept there is a few of you - who cling onto this, and your loyalty is in some ways admirable.

But what JB II says is nearer the truth-

MCB Cannot

Shoot at all- his shot is tame at best
Run
Leap
Head towards goal
Close down

MCB Can

Head well defensively
Fall on the floor like a big dope
Be very late in the tackle
Stupidly throw opposition to the floor
Generally act like a total prick

AS I see it thems the FACTS..

I am no Sharp hater but....

Head well defensively - Sharp can't
Fall on the floor like a big dope - just like Sharp
Be very late in the tackle - just like Sharp
Stupidly throw opposition to the floor - just like Sharp
Generally act like a total prick - like Sharp has been known to

So the only difference is goals.....

 

[Badger Blade]

I'd love to know what the remit was which resulted in us signing him.

"We need a target man, Mitch"
"What about McBurnie?"
"Key it into the statsbomb thing, tell us what it says"
"It says 'just because he's over 6 foot doesn't mean he's a target man you fucking plum'".

If he wanted a shithouse he should have just got Madine for about 3m.

I'm still amazed we managed to pay top dollar when we didn't appear to be bidding against anyone but then again that seemed to apply to quite a few of our signings.

Worth mentioning when you hear Maupay mentioned that we'd already blown 14m in fees plus wages on two duds Robinson and Freeman that he didn't know how to use. Imagine you had the finds of those two and add in McBurnie plus his wages. Don't tell me we couldn't afford Maupay then.

To put McBurnie's goalscoring record into some perspective, he has scored 52 career goals in 205 appearances. Not prolific but not a hideous number. It's not until you see that 24 of those goals were scored in 44 games across one season. Stripping out that season, it's 28 goals in 161 appearances. Doesn't look quite as good now. The counter argument could be that these appearances might be 5 minute cameos at the end of a game but then if he was so great, why wasn't he starting in the first place?

Would he have been better off spending another season at Swansea scoring goals in the Championship and proving that he can? Probably. We ended up taking an expensive gamble on a bloke who'd had one good goalscoring season but had done nothing to prove that he could do it consistently.

Granted he scored some important goals - Man United and West Ham at home, Brighton away to name a few that earned us points but has done precisely nothing since. He did a good job when he came on against West Brom but that's not what you pay £17m for - we'd have kept Gary Madine otherwise.

As for signings like Callum Robinson, Luke Freeman and Osborn to an extent, it seemed to me like a harvesting experiment already to prepare ourselves for relegation and having some of the better talent in the Championship already at our disposal, however we'd have still encountered the same scenario if we'd gone down straight away of where do we put them and how do we use them, like we have with Osborn now. Worst case scenario, we don't sign those guys, we sign Maupay and we go down. We sell Maupay to Brighton/Palace/Villa and use the money to sign decent Championship players anyway.

There are a lot of variables to consider but we just seemed to fire shots in all directions when the players who did the business for us were the ones we already had while nobody else added any extra value. Wilder, Knill, Mitchell were in uncharted waters (for them) but were completely clueless once it came to having to something different to what worked previously in order for the wheels to keep turning. The fact that the last player to score double figures in a season was signed by Nigel Adkins says it all about where we've been coming up short in the recruitment department.

 

[jt64]

To put McBurnie's goalscoring record into some perspective, he has scored 52 career goals in 205 appearances. Not prolific but not a hideous number. It's not until you see that 24 of those goals were scored in 44 games across one season. Stripping out that season, it's 28 goals in 161 appearances. Doesn't look quite as good now.

Not fussed with McBurnie especially, but using goals per appearances as a metric is fucking awful methodology for players who aren't starting. Sharp playing the full 90 in one game and McBurnie making six 15 minute cameos is the same amount of opportunity but makes McBurnie look a lot shitter if they were to score the same amount of goals because "oh my god six appearances"

 

[Badger Blade]

Not fussed with McBurnie especially, but using goals per appearances as a metric is fucking awful methodology for players who aren't starting. Sharp playing the full 90 in one game and McBurnie making six 15 minute cameos is the same amount of opportunity but makes McBurnie look a lot shitter if they were to score the same amount of goals because "oh my god six appearances"

I agree that it paints them in a worse light if they're coming off the bench but it begs the question of why he's not starting in the first place. Your best players are the ones that see the most time on the field.

 

[LewishamBlade]

I agree that it paints them in a worse light if they're coming off the bench but it begs the question of why he's not starting in the first place. Your best players are the ones that see the most time on the field.

Probably the broken foot and covid fella

 

[Cheesebored]

So the only difference is goals.....

Remind me again why we signed Mcburnie.

 

[Balham]

Neutral stattos Infogol have a view on McBurnie last night:



I've posted in the past that my concern with McBurnie is that he wasn't getting the chances. Missing chances is the logical progression from that and if he carries on he'll start scoring. Maybe not enough to satisfy some on here.

For balance, WhoScored had McBurnie bang in the middle of the pack


I wasn't at the game yesterday so all I have to go off is the extended highlights. We had 22 recorded shots but only two good chances - McBurnie's shot from a tight angle and Ndiaye's one-on-one. The rest were headers or shots from distance with significant numbers of defenders in the way. The issue there was that without Bogle we lacked movement in the wide areas to get through and behind Hull who would have been happy that everything was in front of them.

 

[Snowflake]

The thing is “play well” is a subjective issue and players who cost lots of money and get paid lots of money might be held to higher standards by people than those who came from non-league and earn a lot less.

They might but I think you and I can tell the difference !

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Top scorer in a a team that finished 9th in the premier league says otherwise

Scoring 31 goals across a season and a half in the championship for barnsley and swansea also says otherewise

They are Facts

Is it also a FACT that Billy is 38 as you stated above?

 

[petcharlie]

So you slag McBurnie and haven't even watched the fucking game fuck me our so called fans.

Thanks for your reply I would like to pass on your invitation if you don't mind . Been a season ticket holder for 40 years until this year which is down to covid so i think i can call my self a fan mate and can spot a useless player when i see one and i see one along with thousands more in McBurnie . He's been here long enough to make a impression and the impression i get along with thousands more and most Scottish fans is he is bloody useless. Less time on social media more time on the training pitch might help.

 

[petcharlie]

the lack of firepower up front is gonna cost us a place in the top 6 im afraid and if hecky thinks mcburnie is the answer i despair would sooner see jebbison given a chance just dont rate mcburnie never have and never will

You don't rate him because he is not capable of doing his job .You are not alone mate.join the 20.000 who think the same.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Neutral stattos Infogol have a view on McBurnie last night:

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I've posted in the past that my concern with McBurnie is that he wasn't getting the chances. Missing chances is the logical progression from that and if he carries on he'll start scoring. Maybe not enough to satisfy some on here.

For balance, WhoScored had McBurnie bang in the middle of the pack
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I wasn't at the game yesterday so all I have to go off is the extended highlights. We had 22 recorded shots but only two good chances - McBurnie's shot from a tight angle and Ndiaye's one-on-one. The rest were headers or shots from distance with significant numbers of defenders in the way. The issue there was that without Bogle we lacked movement in the wide areas to get through and behind Hull who would have been happy that everything was in front of them.

Those stats don't tell the whole story. They don't include the multiple times he was dispossessed, the unsteady touches or the fact that for all his "link up play" he only made 13 passes and couldn't even get a quarter of them to go where he wanted!

I still think there's a player in there, just about, and I hope he comes good. But he was definitely a bit shit last night. Not awful, just a bit shit.

Would have loved to see Jebbo given a chance for even the last 15mins but wasn't to be. On to Swansea, at least there'll be no distractions for Oli to worry about there!

 

[LudlamBlade]

I wasn't at the game yesterday so all I have to go off is the extended highlights. We had 22 recorded shots but only two good chances - McBurnie's shot from a tight angle and Ndiaye's one-on-one. The rest were headers or shots from distance with significant numbers of defenders in the way. The issue there was that without Bogle we lacked movement in the wide areas to get through and behind Hull who would have been happy that everything was in front of them.

Agree with you on the wide movement and the lack of opportunities in general by the way!

Just wanted to add some other stats as I was looking at them earlier

 

[Captain2]

He started this game where we beat the champions of Europe the season after 3-0


He also started this one as well


By no means am I saying he is the second coming of Pele but some of our fans live in an alternate universe where billy sharp is the greatest player in history because Hes scored a few tap ins and penalties in the last month and mcburnie is the worst because he hasn't scored a hat trick after 20 mins after been out and barley starting a run of games in a year

JUST FACTS

Ridiculous argument never even mentioned Billy Sharp.MCBurnie record of 1 in 34 as a fucking centre forward is scandalous.Shows now passion and even less ability he’s a liability on and off the field.2 games where he started recently we never looked like scoring and I believe his starting is a negative influence on other members of the team.
I doubt he will play Saturday and if he does he’s more likely score an og , he’s utterly useless

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

The abuse he gets is a bit too much for me & completely uncalled for. He gets a massive amount of pressure because of his price tag which isn’t his fault.

We completely overspent on him which was Wilders misjudgement.

The split he causes between fans reminds of Jose Baxter. I used to hear the same moans & groans when he played

 

[petcharlie]

Is it also a FACT that Billy is 38 as you stated above?

He seems to ignore the FACT McBurnie has not scored a league goal since Dec 2020 no wonder fans are getting at him. With the injuries we now have we are stuck with him otherwise I don't think we would have to put up with him.

 

[S64 Blade]

Shall we go in on Ndiaye as well then?!

Ndiaye has actually scored.

 

[Balham]

He seems to ignore the FACT McBurnie has not scored a league goal since Dec 2020 no wonder fans are getting at him. With the injuries we now have we are stuck with him otherwise I don't think we would have to put up with him.

McBurnie has played just shy of 1,300 minutes since December 2020. That's 14 games. Half of that was last season, McBurnie played 654 minutes after scoring against Leicester. That was across 12 games where we as a team scored a total of 5 goals. He's also patently not totally match fit at the moment.

Maybe I'm just different in that I don't see it as black and white. I see a player who's out of form and struggling for sharpness having had two debilitating illnesses in quick succession. I also accept that his attitude and application last season when we were struggling wasn't good enough. However, I don't see that as a reason write him off as a "fucking liability" who's "useless" and is "a negative influence on other members of the team" as Captain2 does.

Ndiaye has actually scored.

Ndiaye has one league goal in his last 20 league appearances (coincidentally 1,300 minutes and, it has to be said, it was a fantastic goal) but I don't see multiple threads decrying him as useless. Put it this way: Ndiaye's misses against both West Brom and Hull were far worse than anything McBurnie has done recently.

 

[1066blade]

When we were sealing McB's deal from Swansea there was a promo video showing his goal scoring, nearly all headers, lots glancing in from set pieces. Do we provide that sort of service?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

I just hope McBunnie does not find himself scoring for Swansea again on Saturday.

 

[Barney]

He's made it to be a professional footballer in the 2nd tier of English football ahead of hundreds of thousands of others, but he cant kick a ball properly, yeah sure.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I just hope McBunnie does not find himself scoring for Swansea again on Saturday.

No chance of that after last night its back to the bench for the flop.

 

[petcharlie]

McBurnie has played just shy of 1,300 minutes since December 2020. That's 14 games. Half of that was last season, McBurnie played 654 minutes after scoring against Leicester. That was across 12 games where we as a team scored a total of 5 goals. He's also patently not totally match fit at the moment.

Maybe I'm just different in that I don't see it as black and white. I see a player who's out of form and struggling for sharpness having had two debilitating illnesses in quick succession. I also accept that his attitude and application last season when we were struggling wasn't good enough. However, I don't see that as a reason write him off as a "fucking liability" who's "useless" and is "a negative influence on other members of the team" as Captain2 does.



Ndiaye has one league goal in his last 20 league appearances (coincidentally 1,300 minutes and, it has to be said, it was a fantastic goal) but I don't see multiple threads decrying him as useless. Put it this way: Ndiaye's misses against both West Brom and Hull were far worse than anything McBurnie has done recently.

I dont think Ndiaye is classed as a out and out striker more like a creative type player if i am not mistaken. McBurnie was brought in to score goals WHICH HE IS NOT DOING and never looks like doing this being the reason for him not getting game time. Now with all the injuries he may get the time and a chance to show everybody how good he is but I CAN NOT SEE IT HAPPENING. Hope he proves me wrong but can.t see it . The coming weeks will prove who is right and who is wrong . It looks like he will get plenty of game time .

 

[Captain2]

If he gets plenty of game time it’s going but a disappointment end to the season!
He plays we just don’t perform, even from the bench he is no threat at all, teams must love to see him coming on.
In the Prem he was way out of his depth, sadly the situation is the same in this league.
Get Mousset back , pace and a goal threat !

 

[DronnieBlade]

If he gets plenty of game time it’s going but a disappointment end to the season!
He plays we just don’t perform, even from the bench he is no threat at all, teams must love to see him coming on.
In the Prem he was way out of his depth, sadly the situation is the same in this league.
Get Mousset back , pace and a goal threat !

Hindsight’s a wonderful thing.

Moose is undoubtedly finished here.

But for the sake of a few hundred grand in saved wages, his release on loan last month looks to increasingly be a big mistake !

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