McBurnie

[marsh blade]

If what you see is Billy Sharp should be playing then we have a fundamental disagreement in how football works. I've tried numbers and observations but you are 100% sure in your view.

You think McBurnie is wank and adds nothing. I think Sharp is miles away from the required standard (with the "he's been amazing" blah blah proviso) and adds next to nothing.

I've taken numbers from fbref.com but apparently they are wrong and the numbers you've taken from somewhere are correct.

You're obviously not an idiot but your arrogance is tiresome.

It is what it

If what you see is Billy Sharp should be playing then we have a fundamental disagreement in how football works. I've tried numbers and observations but you ar

You remind me of a Nigel Adkins Dronny ! Utb

 

[DronnieBlade]

DronnieBlade It's like talking to a politician. Nonsense, misdirection and cliches

61%.

76%.

FACT .

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[Carlton Blade]

61%.

76%.

FACT .

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What fact is that? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about?

Is it the one where the player you like comes on late on and gets to play against sat back defences and players who've done 70 minutes?

Or the one where the player you like has only managed 16 shots in 1,200 minutes?

We can all select stats to make things look how we want.

 

[DronnieBlade]

It is an inconvenient truth for all of the apologists out there, that in a game of central striker top trumps, there is a very clear winner between BS & OMc.

FACT.

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[west_yorks_blade]

Our strikers squandering of the meagre opportunities provided by underperforming midfield and wingbacks this season coupled with their price tags means that they will inevitably get some stick. Some of it justified.

But the abuse dished out to them by our own ‘supporters’ is unwarranted and pathetic.
Get behind the team you allegedly support.

 

[DronnieBlade]

What fact is that? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about?

Is it the one where the player you like comes on late on and gets to play against sat back defences and players who've done 70 minutes?

Or the one where the player you like has only managed 16 shots in 1,200 minutes?

We can all select stats to make things look how we want.

Actually no you can’t. As is evident !!!

Can’t imagine why

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[Carlton Blade]

Actually no you can’t. As is evident !!!

Can’t imagine why

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16 shots. In 1,200 minutes. As a striker.

 

[marsh blade]

I'd keep him as I think he will be fantastic in the championship for us next season, and will probably/hopefully fire us straight back up (not being negative there, just think we will go down this season due to Jack's injury as I've said previously).

There's 3 worse teams than us . Utb

 

[DronnieBlade]

16 shots. In 1,200 minutes. As a striker.

This season. Shots on target.

McB
5 in 342.

Ave 1 every 68

BS

2 in 129.

Ave 1 every 65.

Last season stats paint same picture. As does superior distribution statistics.

Source : Official club stats.

30 Love.

On serve .

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[Carlton Blade]

This season. Shots on target.

McB
5 in 342.

Ave 1 every 68

BS

2 in 129.

Ave 1 every 65.

Last season stats paint same picture. As does superior distribution statistics.

Source : Official club stats.

30 Love.

On serve .

UTB

You're using the statistics produced by the people most interested in making them look favourable, and having unexplained definitions rather than unbiased, consistent and independent ones with definitions cleaned up over long periods of time?

Really?

Oh dear

 

[BobblesBlade]

There's 3 worse teams than us . Utb

As you’d say that’s a little insulting on the management and recruitment staff of the 3 teams.

 

[Hague Blade]

I’ve no dog in this fight, but I’m increasingly concerned neither of them is good enough. And I’ve got my doubts about Burke and Brewster too. McGoldrick is a good footballer, but is a poor goal scorer. But they’re collectively what we’ve got, so we may as well support them - right?

 

[DronnieBlade]

You're using the statistics produced by the people most interested in making them look favourable, and having unexplained definitions rather than unbiased, consistent and independent ones with definitions cleaned up over long periods of time?

Really?

Oh dear

Statistics provided by the very club we both support and are available to all via the clubs website ??

Do you suggest the club makes the stats up ? Stats that YOU have chosen to use to amplify a point ?

Your comment is as baffling as it is inaccurate.

I guess it’s what apologists will resort to
!!

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[BobblesBlade]

You're using the statistics produced by the people most interested in making them look favourable, and having unexplained definitions rather than unbiased, consistent and independent ones with definitions cleaned up over long periods of time?

Really?

Oh dear

Are you really a Blade?
Billy Sharp has done more than McBurnie will ever do and Billy is a true Blade.
why do some people back someone who is just not good enough.
He didn’t much last season and now it’s carrying over to this season.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t be slagging him off he gets paid a lot of money to play footy like we’d all love too. We all would love him to start scoring but I just can’t see it.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Are you really a Blade?
Billy Sharp has done more than McBurnie will ever do and Billy is a true Blade.
why do some people back someone who is just not good enough.
He didn’t much last season and now it’s carrying over to this season.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t be slagging him off he gets paid a lot of money to play footy like we’d all love too. We all would love him to start scoring but I just can’t see it.

Don’t go there.

Bladey Bill just might show his face again. And we all want that don’t we ?!

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[Fulwood Blade]

Ahha - the weekly ping pong opinions of McB !

He NEEDS to add the consistency of games like last night to convince more fans

He ahs been far from consistent since he joined which is why we end up with the ping pong opinion.

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[Cheesebored]

One thing. Jordan Henderson specifically name checks McBurnie after last nights game. An admission, from the captain of one of the best teams in Europe and current PL Champions, managed by one of the best managers of the era, that McBurnie is a threat. So, Chris Wilder, Alan Knill, Jurgen Klopp and Jordan Henderson all think McBurnie is a threat. I'll take their opinions, along with my own observations, over the weekly witch hunt and wilful ignorance seen here and all over Social Media. He's doing well, will continue to improve and should be considered integral to this United team and as such, should be supported. Not beyond criticism, but should be supported.

And on that note, he does need to put away his chances.

It's a fair post but do you think theres a reason he won plenty of aerial duels last night? Don't lose sight of the fact that liverpool's 2 first choice centre backs were out injured and replaced by a central midfielder in Fabinho and Gomez. You can only play against what's put in front of you but if Matip and VVD are playing then I'm afraid Mcburnie doesn't have the same impact.

 

[Carlton Blade]

This season. Shots on target.

McB
5 in 342.

Ave 1 every 68

BS

2 in 129.

Ave 1 every 65.

Last season stats paint same picture. As does superior distribution statistics.

Source : Official club stats.

30 Love.

On serve .

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I will remain forever confused as to why you think Wilder plays McBurnie for any other reason than he's a definitively a better all round forward than Sharp. He offers more in open play, can battle physically with the best defenders and at least gives a target for a swamped defence.

The ball goes up to Sharp when he starts games and it comes straight back. Physically he can't compete.

When it boils down to it McBurnie probably isn't good enough. We've had 40 games and he's certainly underwhelmed. He's still only 24 so there may still be improvements but it might be that he's not what a attacking team like ours, with limited chance creation needs.

That doesn't make Sharp the answer to any questions. He needs to be commended for how fit he's got and his all round play is so much better than it was. But he's not able to get in front of bigger defenders and hold them off, or win flick ons on a regular basis. I don't need to see numbers from either site to know that.

They are both suboptimal options in our current plight. But if I have to choose one to cause big teams issues, even if it is just winning headers it's McBurnie. Everything else is fluff and nonsense.

And I genuinely couldn't give a shit if you think you've somehow won an argument. It's a forum for debate. You're arguments are subjective, like mine. Opinions. That's all they are. Your certainty is odd, and a bit silly tbh.

Enjoy it though, I don't think anybody else does.

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[Carlton Blade]

Statistics provided by the very club we both support and are available to all via the clubs website ??

Do you suggest the club makes the stats up ? Stats that YOU have chosen to use to amplify a point ?

Your comment is as baffling as it is inaccurate.

I guess it’s what apologists will resort to
!!

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Club statistics are spectacularly unreliable. Of course they are. They are made for the club, by the club. Do you genuinely not know that?

 

[wizadry]

Slagging Sharp off whilst making a case for McBurnie is embarrassing to read.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Are you really a Blade? from what i've seen on here - yes he is a Blade
Billy Sharp has done more than McBurnie will ever do and Billy is a true Blade. - true statement, but the past won't keep us in the premier league his season
why do some people back someone who is just not good enough. We don't have many other options, and it's not Billy Sharp in a permanent position - Wilder has quoted this in a Saturday paper column
He didn’t much last season and now it’s carrying over to this season. Agreed and for me he needs to add consistency to his game.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t be slagging him off he gets paid a lot of money to play footy like we’d all love too. We all would love him to start scoring but I just can’t see it. You are within your rights to slag him off

 

[Foxy]

Are you really a Blade?
Billy Sharp has done more than McBurnie will ever do and Billy is a true Blade.
why do some people back someone who is just not good enough.
He didn’t much last season and now it’s carrying over to this season.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t be slagging him off he gets paid a lot of money to play footy like we’d all love too. We all would love him to start scoring but I just can’t see it.

Billy is on his third chance and is ever so slightly older, the two aren't a direct comparison.

'didn't do much' was scoring as many as any of our strikers.

He needs to bag a few, but he did every other facet of his job last night, one which we didn't have an alternative player to do. Also, quick reminder, we were playing Liverpool.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Are you really a Blade?
Billy Sharp has done more than McBurnie will ever do and Billy is a true Blade.
why do some people back someone who is just not good enough.
He didn’t much last season and now it’s carrying over to this season.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t be slagging him off he gets paid a lot of money to play footy like we’d all love too. We all would love him to start scoring but I just can’t see it.

Good God. Get Brian Deane back, he was brilliant.

Slag him off as much as you want. He's not been good enough. Nowhere near. That doesn't mean Sharp is better

 

[DronnieBlade]

I will remain forever confused as to why you think Wilder plays McBurnie for any other reason than he's a definitively a better all round forward than Sharp. He offers more in open play, can battle physically with the best defenders and at least gives a target for a swamped defence.

The ball goes up to Sharp when he starts games and it comes straight back. Physically he can't compete.

When it boils down to it McBurnie probably isn't good enough. We've had 40 games and he's certainly underwhelmed. He's still only 24 so there may still be improvements but it might be that he's not what a attacking team like ours, with limited chance creation needs.

That doesn't make Sharp the answer to any questions. He needs to be commended for how fit he's got and his all round play is so much better than it was. But he's not able to get in front of bigger defenders and hold them off, or win flick ons on a regular basis. I don't need to see numbers from either site to know that.

They are both suboptimal options in our current plight. But if I have to choose one to cause big teams issues, even if it is just winning headers it's McBurnie. Everything else is fluff and nonsense.

And I genuinely couldn't give a shit if you think you've somehow won an argument. It's a forum for debate. You're arguments are subjective, like mine. Opinions. That's all they are. Your certainty is odd, and a bit silly tbh.

Enjoy it though, I don't think anybody else does.

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You introduced the stats. Not me.

I merely corrected you.

Our opinions differ significantly. Go figure.

I’ll stand by my every word.

Everything considered Sharp > McB.

This is borne out by cold hard statistical FACTS.

And my .
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[DronnieBlade]

Club statistics are spectacularly unreliable. Of course they are. They are made for the club, by the club. Do you genuinely not know that?

Wow. That’s told me.

If they are made up, I’ll take it all back then .

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[Carlton Blade]

You introduced the stats. Not me.

I merely corrected you.

Our opinions differ significantly. Go figure.

I’ll stand by my every word.

Everything considered Sharp > McB.

This is borne out by cold hard statistical FACTS.

And my .
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Eyes and opinions. That's absolutely fine. Agree to disagree.

The fact you use stats produced by the club over those produced by a company that are being paid by the football industry to ensure they are consistent across players, teams and even countries is daft.

And your obsession with "winning" arguments reminds me of a child's view. All you've done is make me dislike your online persona. You haven't proven a single thing.

 

[BobblesBlade]

Billy is on his third chance and is ever so slightly older, the two aren't a direct comparison.

'didn't do much' was scoring as many as any of our strikers.

He needs to bag a few, but he did every other facet of his job last night, one which we didn't have an alternative player to do. Also, quick reminder, we were playing Liverpool.

Hey I know it’s Liverpool. Imagine though if McBurnie had put that golden chance away and we went 2-0 up. We could hae ended up with 3pts and him being the hero.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Eyes and opinions. That's absolutely fine. Agree to disagree.

The fact you use stats produced by the club over those produced by a company that are being paid by the football industry to ensure they are consistent across players, teams and even countries is daft.

And your obsession with "winning" arguments reminds me of a child's view. All you've done is make me dislike your online persona. You haven't proven a single thing.

I’m not on ere to make buddies. Far from it in fact.

But I have a task for you. If you feel up to it ?

I would like you to provide a detailed and all encompassing dosier, using stats from wherever you so choose, to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that McB is a more effective all round CF.

I’m genuinely interested !

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[Carlton Blade]

I’m not on ere to make buddies. Far from it in fact.

But I have a task for you. If you feel up to it ?

I would like you to provide a detailed and all encompassing dosier, using stats from wherever you so choose, to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that McB is a more effective all round CF.

I’m genuinely interested !

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Why would I ever do that? I don't need you to agree with me. I've presented my evidence. I'm happy enough

 

[Foxy]

Hey I know it’s Liverpool. Imagine though if McBurnie had put that golden chance away and we went 2-0 up. We could hae ended up with 3pts and him being the hero.

Absolutely. He should have done better with it.

Encouraging that we (and he) managed to get in that position, but in the big boys league we have to finish those more often.

Who in the squad would you have put £100 on bagging it? Because at the moment, i'd have kept my money in my pocket, it's not just McB.