Player Suggestion McBurnie on loan

[Harry's Game]

Because we can't afford them?

How far are we looking? Leeds found some at this level

 

[Thrice]

Putting the individual aside, it's about as much what the signing represents

We thought with new owners we'd be looking at fresh ways of doing things, and I know new methods take time, but it very much feels like nothing has changed, Wilder still calling the shots and going for familiar and players who've been there, done that.

Mepham and McBurnie seem very much like Middlesbrough/WBA signings, like we are aiming to be in a gaggle between 6th and 12th rather than trying something different to move us forward.

Tbf, it's possible to do both. Bring in Championship proven players and throw Wilder a bone while at the same time searching the market for diamonds in the rough.

It's on Wilder to make this approach work though. If he stays I suspect he'll be on a short leash because those parachute payments won't last forever.

 

[UTB Blade]

How far are we looking? Leeds found some at this level

I don't know. It just seems like a very 'United' thing to do, to get someone like McBurnie back, because it's easier and cheaper than to go for the approach you describe. Not that I'm necessarily against McBurnie's return - I think we could do worse - but it does smack of a lack of ambition, certainly less ambitious than looking for the type of striker you advocate. Like you, I'd love to see us sign that sort of striker, I'm just not sure we have the systems in place to find them, or the money to buy them. Otherwise, why are we looking at McBurnie, again (if indeed we are)?

 

[sportinguista]

Of the things Oli Mac was actually quite good at, playing a first time ball into another one of our players (rather than a killer through ball for the opposition) was probably one of his stronger attributes.

I’m all for it should the deal be right for us.

As opposed to a first time ball to one of their players?

 

[biggiesablade]

I love Mcburnie

 

[HeySethUTB]

Bladesballer can you come back so our forward line works much better than last seasons wet fart.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Because we can't afford them?

Really?

 

[Cheesebored]

Bladesballer can you come back so our forward line works much better than last seasons wet fart.

 

[UTB Blade]

Really?

It's not a statement - it's a question, hence the question mark.

I don't know whether we can afford them or not, but if we're after McBurnie on a free, instead of the type and calibre of striker Harry's Game suggested in his post, maybe cost is an issue? Again, I'm not stating that's the case, I'm just querying whether it's a possibility.

 

[Le Cynique]

If we were to bring him back, I think it would answer the question of whether Wilder is capable of changing his approach this season.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

McBurnie is no sort of cheap option signing

Unless you're imagining the more desirable alternatives to be 10m players..... like the one we got in January

 

[LurkerBlade]

If we were to bring him back, I think it would answer the question of whether Wilder is capable of changing his approach this season.

Why? Did McBurnie play under this system or approach with Wilder in the championship?

 

[LondonBlade89]

Some people on here are just on another planet. McBurnie was generally very good for us, and he would be again.

 

[Rodley]

Let’s be frank, if we sign McBurnie him and Campbell are our best two strikers by a country mile. Moore is OK but Cannon is miles off it.

 

[Champagneblade]

Putting the individual aside, it's about as much what the signing represents

We thought with new owners we'd be looking at fresh ways of doing things, and I know new methods take time, but it very much feels like nothing has changed, Wilder still calling the shots and going for familiar and players who've been there, done that.

Mepham and McBurnie seem very much like Middlesbrough/WBA signings, like we are aiming to be in a gaggle between 6th and 12th rather than trying something different to move us forward.

There is always going to be a ceiling to who will join you in the Championship.

Getting a proven player who scored 15 in his last Championship season and would fit in very well with the squad and who seems to have put fitness issues behind him, should be a no brainer.

It’s easy to overthink these things.

He’d be an asset for the season ahead.

We’d also have two forwards who are the best statistically at defending which means when one comes off we don’t become vulnerable to late aerial goals.

 

[Striker]

I'm not 100% on Mcburnie but.........
If it allows us to loan out Ryan One and accept any offers on Cannon or Moore then it would be a good bit of business.
Once again people are jumping to conclusions without knowing the full picture

 

[Le Cynique]

Why? Did McBurnie play under this system or approach with Wilder in the championship?

Because he’d be sticking with what he knows and taking the safe option rather than embracing change. It’d be a retrograde step that might possibly bring short-term success (if we’re very lucky) but wouldn’t help to set ourselves up for the future.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

I'm guessing that CW has suggested he wants to strengthen the front-line, the board has said "Sound but you've only got X to spend and you know we have to strengthen other places first", so makes sense to bring in a free striker who is a known quantity and hopefully means we aren't spaffing any more money in the wrong places.

 

[S64 Blade]

Let’s be frank, if we sign McBurnie him and Campbell are our best two strikers by a country mile. Moore is OK but Cannon is miles off it.

A reminder that Canon had the same goals per minutes ratio last season, as McBurnie did in this ever-mythical 2022/23 season.

 

[Blackheath Blade]

And there it is! Blades fans want McBurnie back. Stick with Wilder and play a third rate hooligan up front. And we wander why this club never moves forward.

Absolutely this. Some of our fans seem to think that because he's spent a season in the Spanish league with a club that some haven't heard of, McBurnie has turned into the complete striker who will fire us to promotion next season.

We couldn't wait to get shut of him this time last year and he was getting as much stick as Cannon is currently receiving. We shouldn't touch McBurnie with a fuckin bargepole, but because he's a former Blade and a "bit of a lad", he's suddenly becoming the answer to our striking problems.

Why can't people see that we need to build a squad for the next five years instead of considering former has-beens who add no value to the team?

 

[Balham]

A reminder that Canon had the same goals per minutes ratio last season, as McBurnie did in this ever-mythical 2022/23 season.

Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins

 

[MTBlade]

This is just my opinion, but i dont see much difference between McBurnie and Moore.

Finishing- both are poor IMO and i see the warm up drills for the strikers and they both look to clam up and very rarely score (it just doesnt look natural for them).

Link up play/dropping deep- both very similar (bar Wembley) but i think McBurnie is better in this department.

Fouls against- Moore is better as he seems to give less fouls away, thus not putting pressure back on the defence

Defensive set pieces- both very strong

Injuries- Moores availability seems stronger (hernia injury this season which i dont think is avoidable, although im not a doctor), but the amount of strains and pulls McBurnie had is worrying.
I am aware of McBurnies availability this season, but a decent percentage were from the bench and im not sure if Las Palmas had there best spell when McBurnie wasn't starting.

Pace- move on

For me, i think its a sideways step bring McBurnie back.

Like most people, we should be targetting someone with pace, so we have the option to go in behind early.
We are an easy team to defend against, because we have no quick out balll (only CoH).
This is why we pass sideways and are slow moving forward.

Who the pacey option is, is the issue.

 

[Blade56]

He’s been fit the last year.

Guaranteed if he came back 2 games in I can see him now sat next to byline clutching his hammy

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Let’s be frank, if we sign McBurnie him and Campbell are our best two strikers by a country mile. Moore is OK but Cannon is miles off it.

Some people on here are just on another planet. McBurnie was generally very good for us, and he would be again.

As a 4, that's a very strong roster for this level and has a bit of everything.

And I fully agree with London.
McBurnie's a good footballer and a physical presence.
He might not be prolific, but he's good for at least 10+ goals in the Championship.

 

[LondonBlade89]

A reminder that Canon had the same goals per minutes ratio last season, as McBurnie did in this ever-mythical 2022/23 season.

McBurnie offers a lot more than goals. So far for us, if he’s not scoring then Cannon provides virtually nothing.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins

Is it the same McBurnie that went 40 odd games without scoring a goal?

 

[MayorOJC]

Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins

Now do 21/22

 

[Blade56]

McBernie is everything this club is in its mentality, that’s why it’s a big NO

 

[S64 Blade]

Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins

Fair enough, I was looking at the wrong stats, seemingly! I stand corrected!

There's no doubt McBurnie was better than Canon at the same age. My point really being that despite Canon being perceived as being poor, he is young and can certainly improve on what's already a decent return last season (albeit when he was wearing a Stoke shirt).

 

[Balham]

Is it the same McBurnie that went 40 odd games without scoring a goal?

Yes.

Now do 21/22

Why?

It's a phenomenon I like to call as the Bamford Effect, which has its inverse in the McBurnie effect.

Patrick Bamford scored loads of goals when there were no crowds in the stadia as the country lost its collective mind over Covid. He then reverted to type once the attendances were back to normal.

Oli McBurnie was the opposite. Scored virtually no goals when crowds were banned, scores goals when there are supporters.