Gone Elsewhere Mcburnie

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?


McBurnie is no sort of cheap option signing

Unless you're imagining the more desirable alternatives to be 10m players..... like the one we got in January
 
Bookers Mullet said:
Putting the individual aside, it's about as much what the signing represents

We thought with new owners we'd be looking at fresh ways of doing things, and I know new methods take time, but it very much feels like nothing has changed, Wilder still calling the shots and going for familiar and players who've been there, done that.

Mepham and McBurnie seem very much like Middlesbrough/WBA signings, like we are aiming to be in a gaggle between 6th and 12th rather than trying something different to move us forward.
Click to expand...
There is always going to be a ceiling to who will join you in the Championship.

Getting a proven player who scored 15 in his last Championship season and would fit in very well with the squad and who seems to have put fitness issues behind him, should be a no brainer.

It’s easy to overthink these things.

He’d be an asset for the season ahead.

We’d also have two forwards who are the best statistically at defending which means when one comes off we don’t become vulnerable to late aerial goals.
 
I'm not 100% on Mcburnie but.........
If it allows us to loan out Ryan One and accept any offers on Cannon or Moore then it would be a good bit of business.
Once again people are jumping to conclusions without knowing the full picture
 
LurkerBlade said:
Why? Did McBurnie play under this system or approach with Wilder in the championship?
Click to expand...
Because he’d be sticking with what he knows and taking the safe option rather than embracing change. It’d be a retrograde step that might possibly bring short-term success (if we’re very lucky) but wouldn’t help to set ourselves up for the future.
 
I'm guessing that CW has suggested he wants to strengthen the front-line, the board has said "Sound but you've only got X to spend and you know we have to strengthen other places first", so makes sense to bring in a free striker who is a known quantity and hopefully means we aren't spaffing any more money in the wrong places.
 
Chris the Blade said:
And there it is! Blades fans want McBurnie back. Stick with Wilder and play a third rate hooligan up front. And we wander why this club never moves forward.
Click to expand...
Absolutely this. Some of our fans seem to think that because he's spent a season in the Spanish league with a club that some haven't heard of, McBurnie has turned into the complete striker who will fire us to promotion next season.

We couldn't wait to get shut of him this time last year and he was getting as much stick as Cannon is currently receiving. We shouldn't touch McBurnie with a fuckin bargepole, but because he's a former Blade and a "bit of a lad", he's suddenly becoming the answer to our striking problems.

Why can't people see that we need to build a squad for the next five years instead of considering former has-beens who add no value to the team?
 
S64 Blade said:
A reminder that Canon had the same goals per minutes ratio last season, as McBurnie did in this ever-mythical 2022/23 season.
Click to expand...
Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins
 
This is just my opinion, but i dont see much difference between McBurnie and Moore.

Finishing- both are poor IMO and i see the warm up drills for the strikers and they both look to clam up and very rarely score (it just doesnt look natural for them).

Link up play/dropping deep- both very similar (bar Wembley) but i think McBurnie is better in this department.

Fouls against- Moore is better as he seems to give less fouls away, thus not putting pressure back on the defence

Defensive set pieces- both very strong

Injuries- Moores availability seems stronger (hernia injury this season which i dont think is avoidable, although im not a doctor), but the amount of strains and pulls McBurnie had is worrying.
I am aware of McBurnies availability this season, but a decent percentage were from the bench and im not sure if Las Palmas had there best spell when McBurnie wasn't starting.

Pace- move on

For me, i think its a sideways step bring McBurnie back.

Like most people, we should be targetting someone with pace, so we have the option to go in behind early.
We are an easy team to defend against, because we have no quick out balll (only CoH).
This is why we pass sideways and are slow moving forward.

Who the pacey option is, is the issue.
 
Rodley said:
Let’s be frank, if we sign McBurnie him and Campbell are our best two strikers by a country mile. Moore is OK but Cannon is miles off it.
Click to expand...
LondonBlade89 said:
Some people on here are just on another planet. McBurnie was generally very good for us, and he would be again.
Click to expand...

As a 4, that's a very strong roster for this level and has a bit of everything.

And I fully agree with London.
McBurnie's a good footballer and a physical presence.
He might not be prolific, but he's good for at least 10+ goals in the Championship.
 

Balham said:
Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins
Click to expand...

Is it the same McBurnie that went 40 odd games without scoring a goal?
 
Balham said:
Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins
Click to expand...
Now do 21/22
 
Balham said:
Nope.

McBurnie 22/23: 13 goals in 2,225 mins: 171 mins per goal, 0.53 goals per 90 mins

Cannon 24/25: 10 goals in 2,542 mins: 254 mins per goal, 0.35 goals per 90 mins
Cannon for Stoke in 24/25: 9 goals in 1,861 mins: 207 mins per goal, 0.44 goals per 90 mins.

And for the banter, McBurnie in 2017/18 when he was the same age (broadly) as Cannon last season;
McBurnie 17/18: 9 goals in 1,420 mins: 158 mins per goal, 0.57 goals per 90 mins
Click to expand...
Fair enough, I was looking at the wrong stats, seemingly! I stand corrected!

There's no doubt McBurnie was better than Canon at the same age. My point really being that despite Canon being perceived as being poor, he is young and can certainly improve on what's already a decent return last season (albeit when he was wearing a Stoke shirt).
 
Groucho Blade said:
Is it the same McBurnie that went 40 odd games without scoring a goal?
Click to expand...
Yes.

MayorOJC said:
Now do 21/22
Click to expand...
Why?

It's a phenomenon I like to call as the Bamford Effect, which has its inverse in the McBurnie effect.

Patrick Bamford scored loads of goals when there were no crowds in the stadia as the country lost its collective mind over Covid. He then reverted to type once the attendances were back to normal.

Oli McBurnie was the opposite. Scored virtually no goals when crowds were banned, scores goals when there are supporters.
 
S64 Blade said:
Fair enough, I was looking at the wrong stats, seemingly! I stand corrected!

There's no doubt McBurnie was better than Canon at the same age. My point really being that despite Canon being perceived as being poor, he is young and can certainly improve on what's already a decent return last season (albeit when he was wearing a Stoke shirt).
Click to expand...

Cannon needs to play as a two. McB is different gravy to Moore in terms of linking up, particularly with his feet. He’s also a far better finisher.

For me, Moore could play the James Hanson sub role for us.
 
If we do sign a striker it will be a Moore type to rotate
We already have cannon and Campbell and I cant see us signing. Third unless one gets injured

So.if not mcburnie then it will be riis from Preston or similar
 
I've never understood where this myth comes from that Mcburnie is good with his feet?

Yes he has a good physical presence and is strong in the air, but the ball so often bounced 3 meters away from him when he went to control or dibble.

I want to see us build a fluid, quick attacking force as Plan A and I just do not think this is ever going to be the answer.
 
A fit McBurnie’s a decent championship striker, sounds like a cheap deal, knows the club etc. so not necessarily a bad signing.

Bigger worry for me is that Wilder’s still going after the same players that aren't / weren’t good enough to progress & establish us in the top flight. With Campbell, Cannon, Moore & McB that means no space for One which is a shame as he has more raw potential. Hope he gets a loan this time.

It also suggests we’ll be sticking with the 442, having no control in midfield & playing up to the big man. Again, short term thinking if that’s the case & doesn’t set us up to be successful if we were to get promoted.
 
blades_95 said:
A fit McBurnie’s a decent championship striker, sounds like a cheap deal, knows the club etc. so not necessarily a bad signing.

Bigger worry for me is that Wilder’s still going after the same players that aren't / weren’t good enough to progress & establish us in the top flight. With Campbell, Cannon, Moore & McB that means no space for One which is a shame as he has more raw potential. Hope he gets a loan this time.

It also suggests we’ll be sticking with the 442, having no control in midfield & playing up to the big man. Again, short term thinking if that’s the case & doesn’t set us up to be successful if we were to get promoted.
Click to expand...
We wouldn’t be getting promoted under that mentality. Going 442 playing hoofwaffe ala pulis.
 
GrunkyPeep said:
I'm guessing that CW has suggested he wants to strengthen the front-line, the board has said "Sound but you've only got X to spend and you know we have to strengthen other places first", so makes sense to bring in a free striker who is a known quantity and hopefully means we aren't spaffing any more money in the wrong places.
Click to expand...

This! Absolutely this!

This is precisely what I was trying to say, when I queried whether we could afford a different type of striker, and suggested cost might be an issue, only you've said it a lot better than me!

I wasn't for a minute suggesting that McBurnie's some sort of cheap option, just that it's easier and cheaper to acquire his services, as a known quantity on a free, than it is to seek out new players who are unknown quantities, and pay transfer fees for them.

As you say, we've got other areas to strengthen, and it makes sense to save time and money where we can, by appointing someone we already know, and with no transfer fee involved. It doesn't mean it's parochial or backwards, like a lot are saying, it's just practical.
 

WeareBlades said:
Even if he does come back, Wilder needs to establish some sort of style going forward. We’ve got such a diverse set of strikers but it doesn’t seem we play a system that fits them most of the time. Top goalscorer finishing on 11-13 goals in a side that finished with 90 points doesn’t make sense to me…
Click to expand...
Tbf, didn't Ndiaye only get 15/16 league goals when we got promoted under Hecky?

Pretty sure the top scorer that season was Gyokeres, and he was the only player to hit 20+ league goals wasn't he?

For a team that finished on 100 points with the best attack, how many did Piroe score for Leeds, 18, 19?, 7/8 more goals and 10 extra points.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

C
Absolute disgrace?
Replies
2
Views
952
Bladesince59
Bladesince59
JayGreen17
How do You Feel Now? What Should the Club Do?
2 3
Replies
76
Views
6K
Rufus Smalls
Rufus Smalls
Deadbat
United 0 Millwall 1 report/ratings
Replies
25
Views
2K
Barry Butlin
B
Deadbat
Season Review / School Report 24/25: Part 6 - Attack
Replies
4
Views
811
Deadbat
Deadbat
Deadbat
United 1 Sunderland 2 - report/ratings (sorry)
2
Replies
57
Views
5K
N20 Blade
N20 Blade

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom