Max Lowe

[Rudders]

Just looking at the attacking output needed from your wing/full backs to be a good side. Its about 12-15 goal involvements (assist or goal) ideally from each side. We are miles away from this with Stevens and Baldock. We have got to be looking at the more attacking options in this position- Lowe and Bogle next year particularly as we are likely to have to do without MGW and the lost creativity

 

[Original United]

I feel really in the minority here, I would have took £2 million in January

 

[TJB.]

I cant believe my eyes. How are we asking for judt £5m for Lowe? When we bought Bogle tor £10m, Cal Robinson for £7m and OMB for £20m. Need your heads checking Blades. Lowe is minimum £7m plus add ons up to minimum £10m. Tbh i’d just settle for £10m upfront. £5m takes the absolute piss for a player in the top 5 Championship players this season

That's Numberwang!

 

[Blade56]

Need your heads checking Blades.

For been caught with our pants down?

 

[Mouth of the South]

Let's see how much Forest want him. I'm not his biggest fan and won't lose any sleep if he goes but even I can see he'd be an improvement to Jack Colback at LWB. I can however see him being extremely exposed at Prem level.

Hopefully Utd will be able to charge the Prem premium they themselves had the pay in order to secure players from Champ clubs.

 

[Belvedere Blade]

£4million + for Lowe ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

He's an asset with two years on his contract. It's sell or renew time unless we have a year clause (effectively three years). You can half his valuation when he enters his final year. The same with Bogle and any other players in the same boat. I'd like to hear that all our best youngsters have extended.

 

[adebo]

6 million seems fair, we can always remind forest what they asked for matt cash when wilder wanted him. And they asked us for 3 million for Osborn, so let's be fair and say 6 million seems fair in today's market

 

[Need4speed]

Derby have sell on clause

 

[Alfred Hood]

Think he'll go for 4-5m from the rumours doing the rounds.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

6 million seems fair, we can always remind forest what they asked for matt cash when wilder wanted him. And they asked us for 3 million for Osborn, so let's be fair and say 6 million seems fair in today's market

Matty Cash turned out to be worth every penny in fairness, he's done brilliantly for Villa in the Prem.

Lots of our fans suggested he & Antonee Robinson would struggle to get into our side in front of Baldock & Stevens. Nonsense.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Derby have sell on clause

There were rumours that Lowe was valued highly in the double deal so they didn't have to pay Swindon as much in his sell-on clause?
If that is the case they might be lucky to receive any.

 

[BushBlade]

Pisstake. If they want him now, they’re saying they think he’s good enough for the PL, or has the potential to be. Any player considered good enough for the PL commands a decent fee. If it turns out he is good enough, he’ll be worth a lot more than £5m and that’s the gamble Forest would be taking. So they can pay £5m ish for a player who could be worth at least double that, or they buy a proven PL wing back. Good luck with that, you won’t get one for £5m, if you can get one at all.

 

[ThatJa]

Derby have sell on clause

Think its the opposite. They wouldn't sell him to us without Bogle, because if Bogle was in the deal it means they could low ball the Lowe deal, meaning Swindon effectively got nothing.

 

[brownblade]

After just that reckless challenge from Lowe that wasn't given as a penalty in playoff final... insanely... I'd be surprised if Forest still thought he'd be a good investment.

If we do end up selling him though, yes, they rate him capable of doing a job in the Prem. So £5m absolute minimum, plus another chunky payment if they stay up. Maybe other performance related fees in case he does turn out to be good enough for that level.

On the flip side, I'm more than happy if Hecky thinks he should play for us next season. But despite their shortcomings, I think Enda and RND are perfectly (sometimes very) good LWB options for next season.

 

[bongleblade]

£4-5m is way too cheap for Lowe. He is young and english and could end up being an England international for all we know.

Whatever we say, he played very well for Forest this season when he was playing and he could well have turned a corner this season.

Just like Bogle, Berge and Brewster who flopped in that same season as Lowe did, he couldve been good for us this season too

I’d be asking for £7m up front and a deal which ends up as £10m with clauses (staying up, assists) with a nice 20% sell on clause

 

[bertieblade]

£4-5m is way too cheap for Lowe. He is young and english and could end up being an England international for all we know.

Whatever we say, he played very well for Forest this season when he was playing and he could well have turned a corner this season.

Just like Bogle, Berge and Brewster who flopped in that same season as Lowe did, he couldve been good for us this season too

I’d be asking for £7m up front and a deal which ends up as £10m with clauses (staying up, assists) with a nice 20% sell on clause

Totally agree and can be justified with the fee that Villa paid for Matty Cash.
he must however have improved enormously at Forest as never impressed me at BDTBL and on that evidence alone would have been more than happy to get £3m

 

[robbiez666]

Totally agree and can be justified with the fee that Villa paid for Matty Cash.
he must however have improved enormously at Forest as never impressed me at BDTBL and on that evidence alone would have been more than happy to get £3m

Matty Cash was and is a vastly superior player to Lowe. Lowe has been good in a successful team. Cash was one of the best 'defenders' in the Championship. Lowe is older than Cash. Lowe didn't regularly start for his last two clubs before forest.

 

[Balham]

Think its the opposite. They wouldn't sell him to us without Bogle, because if Bogle was in the deal it means they could low ball the Lowe deal, meaning Swindon effectively got nothing.

Bogle was at Swindon first. Lowe came through the Derby academy. Derby inflated Lowe's value in the double deal to reduce Swindon's sell on.

 

[Maidenhead]

£4-5m is way too cheap for Lowe. He is young and english and could end up being an England international for all we know.

Whatever we say, he played very well for Forest this season when he was playing and he could well have turned a corner this season.

Just like Bogle, Berge and Brewster who flopped in that same season as Lowe did, he couldve been good for us this season too

I’d be asking for £7m up front and a deal which ends up as £10m with clauses (staying up, assists) with a nice 20% sell on clause

If he's deemed surplus to requirements as we also have Enda, RND, and Boyes capable of covering LWB then we get rid for whatever we can get and utilise the wages saving elsewhere.

Absolutely no point in being arsey about the fee for a player we don't need.

 

[FriethBlade]

If he's deemed surplus to requirements as we also have Enda, RND, and Boyes capable of covering LWB then we get rid for whatever we can get and utilise the wages saving elsewhere.

Absolutely no point in being arsey about the fee for a player we don't need.

I think a lot depends on the formation we play. If we are sticking with 3 at the back our wing backs have to be more productive. Neither Stevens or RND provide.enough going forward. I never rated Lowe with what little I saw of him but if he performed as well for Forestas it sounds like him and Bogle could be a.big upgrade on what we ended the season with.

 

[South Sea Blade]

I think a lot depends on the formation we play. If we are sticking with 3 at the back our wing backs have to be more productive. Neither Stevens or RND provide.enough going forward. I never rated Lowe with what little I saw of him but if he performed as well for Forestas it sounds like him and Bogle could be a.big upgrade on what we ended the season with.

Believe me....we are sticking with 3 at the back.

 

[Maidenhead]

I think a lot depends on the formation we play. If we are sticking with 3 at the back our wing backs have to be more productive. Neither Stevens or RND provide.enough going forward. I never rated Lowe with what little I saw of him but if he performed as well for Forestas it sounds like him and Bogle could be a.big upgrade on what we ended the season with.

That's a different discussion, and I'm in no way qualified to know which of our players are best in whatever role Hecky wants them to play.

I was merely saying that all this discussion over what we should demand for players is irrelevant in the bigger picture.

If we deem Lowe to be surplus to requirements then demanding a big fee, and if it's not forthcoming thereby committing ourselves to paying wages to a player that we don't need would be the club just cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.

Better to take what we can get and move on.

Player valuations are about what they're worth to the selling and buying club and not just the player's ability, so it's both daft and pointless to speculate about fees/valuations as there's a much bigger picture to consider.

 

[Roygbiv]

If we can get anything like £2m for a player who's never had a good game for us then take it. Some wild overating of him on here. He's been solid for Forest but had nothing like the impact of their other loan signings

 

[Roygbiv]

Just looking at the attacking output needed from your wing/full backs to be a good side. Its about 12-15 goal involvements (assist or goal) ideally from each side. We are miles away from this with Stevens and Baldock. We have got to be looking at the more attacking options in this position- Lowe and Bogle next year particularly as we are likely to have to do without MGW and the lost creativity

I agree we need more from wing back but Lowe only got one more assist last season than Baldock and Stevens. All 3 scored 1 goal

 

[Wards]

We probably got our money's worth out of this deal with Bogle alone. Not gonna lose any sleep if we sell Lowe for anything close to £2m. Been bobbar everytime I've seen him play for us, albeit that's a fairly small sample size admittedly. Only played 20 games for Forest despite all the noise...they can keep him.

Looks like Boyes is having an excellent season at Solihull. Maybe he can come back and challenge RND next season, or at least can be a development/understudy. Can move Enda on for me, think we need to refresh a few players...starting here.

 

[Snowflake]

That's a different discussion, and I'm in no way qualified to know which of our players are best in whatever role Hecky wants them to play.

I was merely saying that all this discussion over what we should demand for players is irrelevant in the bigger picture.

If we deem Lowe to be surplus to requirements then demanding a big fee, and if it's not forthcoming thereby committing ourselves to paying wages to a player that we don't need would be the club just cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.

Better to take what we can get and move on.

Player valuations are about what they're worth to the selling and buying club and not just the player's ability, so it's both daft and pointless to speculate about fees/valuations as there's a much bigger picture to consider.

Once a decision is made that a player is no longer needed then you take the best offer any other team makes. That is then the market value in those circumstances.

 

[Maidenhead]

Once a decision is made that a player is no longer needed then you take the best offer any other team makes. That is then the market value in those circumstances.

Exactly

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

If we value him at 4m+ then why the hell did we let him out on loan in the first place

 

[bertieblade]

Forest wanted him and were prepared to pay a loan fee and great proportion of his wages. he Had in all honesty not impressed when he played for us was a good deal all round