Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[MobileBlade]

My view is that we should be willing to go a bit above but not way above what the current highest earner is on.

The players should understand the reality that we'd have to pay bigger wages to get good players to the club - players who can help the current players achieve their aims. It's a choice between that or more of the same.

Then you have to ask the question about whether the players deserve such loyalty from the manager in ensuring wage parity, when in reality they'd all be off in a shot as soon as a better offer came along.

Increasing the wage ceiling is also a long term inevitability so if new signings were seen to be on more money, the current players should know that there's scope for their own contracts to improve in the future, as long as they perform.

Finally, wage parity is assumed to be key in maintaining team spirit. Well, I'm not sure I see too much of that right now.

How you know we haven't? And it still isn't enough?

 

[TJB.]

Maybe it should.

What is the point even trying to sign players like Scott Hogan, Sam Gallagher, Martyn Waghorn et al when we can't afford their wages?

This wage structure system was always going to see us hit a ceiling and I'm afraid it's now.

In the case of Waghorn, it's not that we'd be paying out a pittence but simply that Boro can offer more than us. Most people would take the higher offer. Wouldn't you?

As I understand it, we wanted to loan Gallagher and So'ton wanted a sale. Loan would be fine as the parent club would cover part of the wages, but a fee and a big wage was a stretch for us. I wouldn't be surprised if a waiting game was being played there as the deadline is indeed close and Gallagher won't want to sit in the U23's all season. Interested to see what happens there.

Hogan, even just on loan, was well expensive.

We haven't hit our ceiling as the £5.5million we offered for Waghorn is still there to be spent. When we do indeed hit it there's not really a lot we can do about it...unless anyone has a few million down the back of the sofa?

 

[TJB.]

But before anyone gets the razors out...

 

[Pollingtonblade]

This years Cody.

 

[Eric Cartman]

In the case of Waghorn, it's not that we'd be paying out a pittence but simply that Boro can offer more than us. Most people would take the higher offer. Wouldn't you?

As I understand it, we wanted to loan Gallagher and So'ton wanted a sale. Loan would be fine as the parent club would cover part of the wages, but a fee and a big wage was a stretch for us. I wouldn't be surprised if a waiting game was being played there as the deadline is indeed close and Gallagher won't want to sit in the U23's all season. Interested to see what happens there.

Hogan, even just on loan, was well expensive.

We haven't hit our ceiling as the £5.5million we offered for Waghorn is still there to be spent. When we do indeed hit it there's not really a lot we can do about it...unless anyone has a few million down the back of the sofa?

He's not going to Boro, he's going to Derby

What's the transfer fee we offered for Waghorn got to do with it? In reality if we didn't have the (management, not owner driven may I add) wage structure in place you'd be right, we could spend say £4mil on someone else and use the rest of the transfer fee to mitigate the wage increase. But the wage structure means we cannot do that.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Fairy nuff, onwards and sideways

 

[Eric Cartman]

 

[TJB.]

 

[Bladesman]

But before anyone gets the razors out...

I thought he returned to training the other week. Every week Coutts returns to full training.

Whenever we get bad news will it always be followed with "but Coutts is back in training" to help soften the blow.

 

[TJB.]

He's not going to Boro, he's going to Derby

What's the transfer fee we offered for Waghorn got to do with it? In reality if we didn't have the (management, not owner driven may I add) wage structure in place you'd be right, we could spend say £4mil on someone else and use the rest of the transfer fee to mitigate the wage increase. But the wage structure means we cannot do that.

I see what you mean. I thought by 'ceiling' you meant we had no money, not that we were at the ceiling of the wage structure. Apologies.

 

[TJB.]

I thought he returned to training the other week. Every week Coutts returns to full training.

Whenever we get bad news will it always be followed with "but Coutts is back in training" to help soften the blow.

If it's a tweet from a journo then it means CW has been asked the question. It's not a ploy to try and keep everyone clapping. Plus there are different stages of training for returning players.

If they come back saying 'full full training' next week then I'll agree with you

 

[Bladeinleeds]

This years Cody.

Being fair we didn’t fuck about for 2 months on Cody.

I applaud ambitious targets but we need to be sensible on what’s actually attainable. In all eventuality non of Gallagher, hogan or waghorn are gonna sign. We must surely have seen the way the wind was blowing on these and moves on. I’m sure wilder has plenty of other targets otherwise there has been a serious dropping of the ball here

Would have been interesting to see what might have happened if we’d agreed a fee ages when we first bid and tried to steal a march. Agent would prob have stalled for more offer tbf but might be one way to get ahead of the other sides

Edit - see that wilder has confirmed 4 bid. So obviously he’s on with this. Let’s hope we can get them over the line in time

 

[Eric Cartman]

I see what you mean. I thought by 'ceiling' you meant we had no money, not that we were at the ceiling of the wage structure. Apologies.

No, mate, there's plenty of money according to those 'itk' and judging on the fact we've bid 5.5 for Waghorn I'd be inclined to believe them.

It's the wage structure where it's all falling down and it's getting terribly frustrating.

 

[S15Blade]

I'd imagine our fee has been agreed for some time. These days agents know what's going to happen way down the line so they've waited for Derby and/or Boro to finally make the move they will have no doubt told the agent they were going to make. They will blow us out the water wages wise so game over.

 

[FriethBlade]

Lower half championship wage structure eventually results in a lower half championship team

 

[BigBed]

Gone to Derby.

 

[Kentblade]

My view is that we should be willing to go a bit above but not way above what the current highest earner is on.

The players should understand the reality that we'd have to pay bigger wages to get good players to the club - players who can help the current players achieve their aims. It's a choice between that or more of the same.

Then you have to ask the question about whether the players deserve such loyalty from the manager in ensuring wage parity, when in reality they'd all be off in a shot as soon as a better offer came along.

Increasing the wage ceiling is also a long term inevitability so if new signings were seen to be on more money, the current players should know that there's scope for their own contracts to improve in the future, as long as they perform.

Finally, wage parity is assumed to be key in maintaining team spirit. Well, I'm not sure I see too much of that right now.

Thread can now be closed.
Signing for Derby subject to medical.

UTB

 

[Roygbiv]

Great, Boro can sign Freeman now

 

[Onetouchfootball]

Lower half championship wage structure eventually results in a lower half championship team

Hard to argue that one TBH, even though both us and Millwall proved opposite last season, it's difficult to keep repeating the same success every year.

TBH, (controversial) I would be quite happy finishing mid-table this season, as long it's above the pigs and we progress as a club, getting new owners, who can back the management team to try and make us competitive in this league.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Great, Boro can sign Freeman now

Get in.

Come home, daddy.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Ypu dont belong to this forum

I realise that, I'm far too forward thinking and revolutionary to discuss Sheffield United with a backward bunch of chumps like most United fans are

 

[Blade56]

Bet waghorn is one of the 4 bids

 

[INTERUNITED]

So the rumours of us bidding £5.5 million were bollox then seeing as he's gone to Derby for £5 million. United never change, we chase and chase the same player, offering fuck all near the asking price, and then end up in a blind panic on transfer deadline day. If we can't afford 5 million after selling Brooks, for Wilders number one target, we might as well stick to signing league one players.

 

[mattbianco1]

So the rumours of us bidding £5.5 million were bollox then seeing as he's gone to Derby for £5 million. United never change, we chase and chase the same player, offering fuck all near the asking price, and then end up in a blind panic on transfer deadline day. If we can't afford 5 million after selling Brooks, for Wilders number one target, we might as well stick to signing league one players.

Do you have any idea about how football negotiations work?

 

[Dutch Blade]

107 pages!

 

[RammyBlade]

Derby !
CW on Sky saying we couldnt compete with the wages or the fee !

So where do we look now for a striker as its clear that what we have isnt good enough
to last the season.? Is there a bid for a another striker that was mentioned recently ?

 

[Lmaobob]

'Where do we look now?' Down the back of the sofa for more coins of course

 

[mattbianco1]

Derby !
CW on Sky saying we couldnt compete with the wages or the fee !

So where do we look now for a striker as its clear that what we have isnt good enough
to last the season.? Is there a bid for a another striker that was mentioned recently ?

We know. It says so in the 105 page Waghorn thread

 

[INTERUNITED]

Do you have any idea about how football negotiations work?

Well I'm assuming you try to negotiate a fee whilst trying to ascertain as to what the player may require in wages. If you can't afford either of these then you swiftly move on to more attainable targets, especially with there being a transfer window which everyone knows closes earlier this year. What's your take on it??

 

[Sean Thornton]

We know. It says so in the 105 page Waghorn thread

Never a thread copper around when you need one.