Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[Dellas Cowboys]

Agree with Ricky here.

This is Wilder’s 2016 ‘Hussey moment’. If he thinks that we can go a season with Stevens down the left, then we need to reassess our expectations.

It is our weakest position and one with least genuine cover - a kid we fully expect to go on loan and a senior pro the manager never picks regardless of the form of others.

If Bryan isn’t there to also push Stevens then this is Wilder’s second mistake of the season, after Saturday’s set up.

I must admit, I’m not overly keen to see us pay 5.5m on a player worth just 250k 12 months ago and with little to no resale value after a couple of years. More volatile than lastminute.com shares, for those that remember!

Ah yes, I had a few of those shares. Fortunately allocations were scaled back due to popularity at the IPO so didn't have many fortunately.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

 

[Lmaobob]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

"We'll just stick Lafferty up front"

 

[Ricky]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

• And no I won't explore the foreign market because I'm scared of managing foreign players who might not drink lots of beer.

 

[Blade56]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

You missed the important three little words out........ over the line

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

Fingers crossed that something turn up before Thursday. And to be honest I’d rather go with what we have then pay 40-50k per week that’s unsustainable and risks the squad harmony. 2 years down the line an embargo lies.

BUT it’s a massive indictment of the scouting infrastructure etc that we’ve been unable to add quality signings in a position of need after 3 months of trying to sort stuff out. If we’re serious about not just muddling along on the division we should be doing better.

 

[BigBed]

I’ve got a horrible feeling we’re very close to a Wilder interview in which he says:

• we’ve tried hard all summer to bring the right striker in, were close with Waghorn, but couldn’t agree a deal right for the club
• this window has been particularly difficult to find good value
• we’ll try in the remaining weeks to get a loan in, but for now Lavery will come back into the equation...

I'm going to start praying now, cos we really can't afford for that to happen!!

#bringbackched

 

[Superblades]

Fingers crossed that something turn up before Thursday. And to be honest I’d rather go with what we have then pay 40-50k per week that’s unsustainable and risks the squad harmony. 2 years down the line an embargo lies.

BUT it’s a massive indictment of the scouting infrastructure etc that we’ve been unable to add quality signings in a position of need after 3 months of trying to sort stuff out. If we’re serious about not just muddling along on the division we should be doing better.

I don’t think anyone is saying pay 40/50k a week wages but upping it from our current wage structure is needed. Our highest earner can’t be on much more than 10k a week, if we are to go up then we need to at least increase that to attract the players required. Then it’s down to the players at this club to then prove they deserve an increase and not get the face on.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I don’t think anyone is saying pay 40/50k a week wages but upping it from our current wage structure is needed. Our highest earner can’t be on much more than 10k a week, if we are to go up then we need to at least increase that to attract the players required. Then it’s down to the players at this club to then prove they deserve an increase and not get the face on.

That’s fair... I support a reasonable increase. And one good thing we’ve done is tie down players to long term deals.

But the above only works if boro and derby also don’t bid and the double our wage offer. I’ve no doubt we’d pay him more than Ipswich but if more than one club bids, if we aren’t paying that we fall out of the equation.

To me the obvious solution is to scout Europe properly - like Brentford or Brighton for example. I’d much rather invest 5 million in the infrastructure than waghorn as it would pay long term dividends just like the academy. We can then sort out deals where we can pay the wages

 

[Ricky]

My view is that we should be willing to go a bit above but not way above what the current highest earner is on.

The players should understand the reality that we'd have to pay bigger wages to get good players to the club - players who can help the current players achieve their aims. It's a choice between that or more of the same.

Then you have to ask the question about whether the players deserve such loyalty from the manager in ensuring wage parity, when in reality they'd all be off in a shot as soon as a better offer came along.

Increasing the wage ceiling is also a long term inevitability so if new signings were seen to be on more money, the current players should know that there's scope for their own contracts to improve in the future, as long as they perform.

Finally, wage parity is assumed to be key in maintaining team spirit. Well, I'm not sure I see too much of that right now.

 

[zablade]

Finally, wage parity is assumed to be key in maintaining team spirit. Well, I'm not sure I see too much of that right now.

I just wonder if the Mangers flirtation with leaving for Sunderland and getting himself and Knill a better contract at the end of it destabilised a few things in that regard as well

 

[Ricky]

I just wonder if the Mangers flirtation with leaving for Sunderland and getting himself and Knill a better contract at the end of it destabilised a few things in that regard as well

Maybe. He went down in my estimation a bit, maybe it was the same with the players. Seeing the manager considering leaving for a L1 club hardly inspires belief.

 

[sheffielder]

Sometimes you have to pay over the top to get where you need to get. If the players want to get there they will understand that a difference maker gets paid extra

Reminds me of a story of when Dallas Cowboys signed the best cover corner ever Dion Sanders. Jerry Jones Paid way too much money and his board and family went mental. What will the players think etc

They didn’t mind it one bit. When the team does better you get your bonuses.

So back to us, this isn’t the board who have put a cap on the salary. You know how much you have to spend and the wages, relax it a bit they players will understand but let’s pay for some quality

 

[Eric Cartman]

The wage bollocks is doing my fucking head in now.

 

[Ricky]

Sometimes you have to pay over the top to get where you need to get. If the players want to get there they will understand that a difference maker gets paid extra

Reminds me of a story of when Dallas Cowboys signed the best cover corner ever Dion Sanders. Jerry Jones Paid way too much money and his board and family went mental. What will the players think etc

They didn’t mind it one bit. When the team does better you get your bonuses.

So back to us, this isn’t the board who have put a cap on the salary. You know how much you have to spend and the wages, relax it a bit they players will understand but let’s pay for some quality

Win bonuses and promotion bonuses should ensure that the current players have no problem with higher earners coming in - as long as they're good players.

 

[sheffielder]

Win bonuses and promotion bonuses should ensure that the current players have no problem with higher earners coming in - as long as they're good players.

Totally, if we stand pat this team are not going to get many win bonuses.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Fuck the wage structure and team spirit. I'm not seeing much team spirit right now, I just see Evans misplacing passes then fucking about with his hair, Lundstram lumbering around like a tool, the other 10 players on the pitch looking over to our left wing and seeing a competition winner over there, and the 3 strikers we have with a combined age of 324 looking ineffective.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Cor blimey we love an overreaction don't we?

 

[Eric Cartman]

Cor blimey we love an overreaction don't we?

Not really no. We're 3 days away from the deadline and we have 3 strikers and a target we've spent a month trying to sign is going elsewhere.

 

[Barney Rubble]

My view is that we should be willing to go a bit above but not way above what the current highest earner is on.

The players should understand the reality that we'd have to pay bigger wages to get good players to the club - players who can help the current players achieve their aims. It's a choice between that or more of the same.

Then you have to ask the question about whether the players deserve such loyalty from the manager in ensuring wage parity, when in reality they'd all be off in a shot as soon as a better offer came along.

Increasing the wage ceiling is also a long term inevitability so if new signings were seen to be on more money, the current players should know that there's scope for their own contracts to improve in the future, as long as they perform.

Finally, wage parity is assumed to be key in maintaining team spirit. Well, I'm not sure I see too much of that right now.

I think Wilder agrees with you. He's never said that all our players need to be getting the same wages. He only said when there was a big discrepancy in wages it created problems. I think we're happy to bring in a better player on slightly more money than the players we've got. His problem is that he's struggling to find anyone who fits that bill.

 

[TJB.]

Fuck the wage structure and team spirit. I'm not seeing much team spirit right now, I just see Evans misplacing passes then fucking about with his hair, Lundstram lumbering around like a tool, the other 10 players on the pitch looking over to our left wing and seeing a competition winner over there, and the 3 strikers we have with a combined age of 324 looking ineffective.

 

[Eric Cartman]

 

[Harrisblade]

Maybe. He went down in my estimation a bit, maybe it was the same with the players. Seeing the manager considering leaving for a L1 club hardly inspires belief.

Do you know whether or not he had any intention of going to Sunderland?
Did CW make any comments?

 

[essyoueffsee]

There will be players earning 40/50k in this division for sure. Are they value for money? No. Not unless they bag25-30 goals.

However us not spending more than whatever our too earners are on is pure stupidity.

If was a player and "X" was on 5 grand more than me I'd be thinking, wow if I prove my worth I could get that on my next contract.

 

[TJB.]

It may well be that we miss out on targets. That's football. It's crap but when other clubs have more money than you it's always going to happen.

It may well be that we do the best we can with what we have and we struggle a bit, or it could be that Wilder et al are working their tits off to get people in before the deadline and we as fans just have to play the waiting game. It's not like paying over the odds for something you really want on eBay and hoping you can see out the month with what's left in yer bank. It's a football club and budgets have to be respected. 'Fuck the wage structure' simply isn't going to happen.

 

[sheffielder]

There will be players earning 40/50k in this division for sure. Are they value for money? No. Not unless they bag25-30 goals.

However us not spending more than whatever our too earners are on is pure stupidity.

If was a player and "X" was on 5 grand more than me I'd be thinking, wow if I prove my worth I could get that on my next contract.

I understand your point but this isn’t an issue elsewhere unless your sheff wed where you overpay 6 players at the top of the pitch and neglect everyone else.

Every team has at least one star paid for than the rest. Are juve players going to go on mass strike over what they are paying Ronaldo, Barcelona with Messi, Kane Sanchez etc.

If it’s 5k, in the grand scheme of things that’s not a show stopper. Although we are not paying all his wages, Woodburn is probably the highest paid member of the squad. That doesn’t seem to be an issue, and for me the squad will understand the better the team does the more money they get and more chance of a better contract for themselves.

We can’t sign anymore Mcgoldrick, Leonard’s, Evans, lundstrams of this world just so the current members of the squad don’t have their noses of place.

I am not saying paying 30k or anything like that, but a couple of players between 15-20 is not a reason for the players to go to the unions and organise a strike

 

[Eric Cartman]

It may well be that we miss out on targets. That's football. It's crap but when other clubs have more money than you it's always going to happen.

It may well be that we do the best we can with what we have and we struggle a bit, or it could be that Wilder et al are working their tits off to get people in before the deadline and we as fans just have to play the waiting game. It's not like paying over the odds for something you really want on eBay and hoping you can see out the month with what's left in yer bank. It's a football club and budgets have to be respected. 'Fuck the wage structure' simply isn't going to happen.

Maybe it should.

What is the point even trying to sign players like Scott Hogan, Sam Gallagher, Martyn Waghorn et al when we can't afford their wages?

This wage structure system was always going to see us hit a ceiling and I'm afraid it's now.

 

[KoppedOff]

If was a player and "X" was on 5 grand more than me I'd be thinking, wow if I prove my worth I could get that on my next contract.

But you’re not a precious, entitled footballer with a cockroach of an agent in your ear telling you how much more you (and therefore he) should be getting, a missus with a designer handbag habit and an enormously inflated ego, way beyond your talents.

 

[Harry's Game]

Do you know whether or not he had any intention of going to Sunderland?
Did CW make any comments?

Alan Biggs, James Shield and Kevin Gage banged on about all through May. They were pretty convinced it was close to happening but how close they really are to Wilder I don’t know.

 

[Grizzly blade]

The joke of some of you is that you were rightly laughing at the pigs paying 30k a week plus for average.

Waghorn is average, on an average contract but looking to capitalise on one good season. He knows he has to move now as its unlkley he will do it again.
But it’s very interesting to hear the experts on here stomping their feet making demands of the club when they have not even the faintest clue what our wage budget actually is.
And as for the digs at Wilder, players and the morale of the team...I hope you are enjoying yourselves. Like fucking spoiled babies some of yer, speculating and ranting like you actually know.
You haven’t a fucking clue about any of it, so why make it up? It’s counterproductive for a start!!

Here’s where we are.
We need a striker, one minimum. We need the players to get their levels up to their best quickly, we need Coutts back and we need to give the defence time to settle down. We started pretty average last season and improved as the games went on...right up to the master getting injured.
So grow up some of you FFS. We will sign a striker.