Martin Samuel...Pt. 897

[grafikhaus]

Not content with slagging the Blades at every opportunity (Warnock, the ludicrous claim that playing Kabba at Watford was the same as his beloved West Ham cheating (and being found guilty) with Tevez and a recent, outrageous attack on Morgan's 'assault' on Ian Hume), our favourite fat bastard is at it again in today's Mail. Link. This time, he's somehow equating Reginald D. Hunter's performance at the PFA dinner with Ched. Don't bother reading all his shite, his bile is contained in the following:

Stumbling through a moral minefield... football condemns the comedian but applauds the rapist

By Martin Samuel

And yet they weren’t embarrassed about Ched Evans. A year ago, when the Professional Footballers’ Association last sat down to honour the outstanding members of their organisation, Sheffield United striker Evans made the League One team of the year. He was widely agreed to have had a good season, until an unfortunate event occurred. He was convicted of rape and sentenced to five years in prison.
The verdict was reached at Caernarfon Crown Court on Friday, April 20, with the PFA dinner on Sunday, April 22. The organisers ploughed ahead.
They did not discreetly withdraw Evans’s name from the roll of honour and so he was lauded and applauded, along with the rest, as if 35 goals in all competitions was of greatest importance on the night.
Not only were the PFA without shame, the organisation defended that decision. A year later, a black American comedian called Reginald D Hunter uttered racial epithets in context during his act at the same dinner, and football imploded.


Vilified: Reginald D Hunter Celebrated: Ched Evans

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[blade too long]

I like both , am I bad

 

[Bladesway]

Sorry but read the article and it makes sense. I agree with him here.

 

[Selly]

The PFA have got some right idiots in charge.

Reginald D Hunters Previous Edinburgh festival shows include

• 'A Mystery Wrapped In A Nigga',
• 'Pride And Prejudice And Niggas',
• 'F*ck You In The Age Of Consequence',
• 'The Only Apple In The Garden Of Eden And Niggas',
• 'Trophy Nigger' and
• 'Work In Progress...And Niggas.'

What did they think they were getting?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think he's got a fair point.

 

[PandaCola]

Samuels is a fat pig with an axe to grind- but this article is well argued and makes very good points.

 

[blade too long]

I like reg d hunter , he calls a spade a spade

 

[Torrix1889]

Yeah to be fair Graf, you have made yourself look exactly how you were portraying to be....he's not having a dig at SUFC in that article at all, neither is he having a dig at our former terrace hero Chedwyn, he's having a go at the PFA.

You said takes every opportunity to slag the Blades but in truth is this not a case of you taking an opportunity to slag him....?

 

[Junior Soduko]

Why should they be embarrassed about Ched Evans? He was selected in the team of the year and rightly so. His basis for selection was based on his performances on the football pitch, not the outcome of a court case.

All of a sudden his performances on the pitch now become unworthy of selection because he is a convicted rapist?

 

[j j]

All of a sudden his performances on the pitch now become unworthy of selection because he is a convicted rapist?

Yes.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

All of a sudden his performances on the pitch now become unworthy of selection because he is a convicted rapist?

Yes, you don't include him in your team of the year due to him being sent to prison for raping a young woman.

How is that difficult for people to grasp?

 

[axel smeets]

I wouldn't agree with that fat cunt if he told me rain was wet.

 

[Junior Soduko]

Yes, you don't include him in your team of the year due to him being sent to prison for raping a young woman.

How is that difficult for people to grasp?

Its difficult because the last time i checked, selction to the league one team of the year wasnt a moral one, but purely based upon footballing performance.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yeah to be fair Graf, you have made yourself look exactly how you were portraying to be....he's not having a dig at SUFC in that article at all, neither is he having a dig at our former terrace hero Chedwyn, he's having a go at the PFA.

You said takes every opportunity to slag the Blades but in truth is this not a case of you taking an opportunity to slag him....?

Probably. But Samuel never wastes an opportunity to take massive digs at the Blades. Not only is this unbecoming of a national reporter, but illustrates his bitterness over the Tevez affair.

He could have criticised the choice of guest at the PFA dinner without dragging Ched and United into it.

Oh. And I'm not fat.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Its difficult because the last time i checked, selction to the league one team of the year wasnt a moral one, but purely based upon footballing performance.

Actually purely based on PFA votes I believe, however if you've been convicted of rape I think its fair to have your place removed.

 

[JJ Sefton]

The PFA have got some right idiots in charge.

Reginald D Hunters Previous Edinburgh festival shows include

• 'A Mystery Wrapped In A Nigga',
• 'Pride And Prejudice And Niggas',
• 'F*ck You In The Age Of Consequence',
• 'The Only Apple In The Garden Of Eden And Niggas',
• 'Trophy Nigger' and
• 'Work In Progress...And Niggas.'

What did they think they were getting?

Exactly.

The daftest thing I've read about it is this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...rmath-of-comedians-controversial-routine.html

"Carlisle’s appearance on Question Time in 2011 had shown his ease at handling inquisitions and calmly making significant points."

I saw it and he mouthed a bunch of platitudes and got the same free ride from the audience and Dimbelby that the non-politician sat on the far left of the table always gets.

"A penny also for the thoughts of Doreen Lawrence, sitting on the Show Racism The Red Card table."

You can have mine for free Henry; what the fuck was Doreen Lawrence doing at the PFA dinner?

 

[moDtheGod]

I've seen Reg live twice and his shows are witty, intelligent and insightful. The only people kicking off about the PFA thing are people that haven't seen his shows.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I've seen Reg live twice and his shows are witty, intelligent and insightful. The only people kicking off about the PFA thing are people that haven't seen his shows.

Saw him waaaaay back in 99, when i did the sound engineering for one of his gigs. Top bloke.

 

[JohnDenver]

You can have mine for free Henry; what the fuck was Doreen Lawrence doing at the PFA dinner?

Actually, I would quite like to know what she thought, as that would be more telling than most people's reaction.

Hunter isn't a racist comedian, he's a comedian who jokes about race issues. I'd imagine most people can recognise that.

Whoever chose Hunter in the context of football's recent race sensitivity was either very ignorant or taking a huge punt on the maturity of the audience and wider society. I understand why Carlisle is upset as he didn't want controversy on his big gig. But the real reactions to Hunter's act are more interesting to me than the inevitable media guff fest about it.

 

[Bladesman]

On this occasion he is actually slagging someone else off for a change.

Although I assume he will be eagerly waiting for us to lose in the play-offs and mentioning the Tevez sage again or something.

 

[Coily]

I'm no fan of Samuel, but I thought it was a decent article on the over-sensitivity of the PFA regards anything race related. It may read as if his is the only view, but i think his strength as a writer is to open up debate over his views and the subject as opposed to being the definitive viewpoint.

The PFA knew his act, and so can't have expected anything other than what they got. I hear they tried to tell him what not to say, which any comedian will ignore with relish!

As for the Evans link, well, he is there to be shot at as a convicted rapist. And I agree, he shouldn't have been included in the L1 team of the year, knowing what we knew. I don't recall the PFA getting all het up about this issue though, when it would have been easy to take a positive stand.

 

[Darren]

As I understand it, Evans was voted into the third division team of the year by other players. What were they supposed to do once he was convicted - falsify the results?

 

[Coily]

I see no reason to falsify results. I see one rather large reason not to bestow the honour of selection on Evans given his conviction, with him being replaced by the next highest voted forward.

 

[SwissBlade]

I see no issue with Evans being voted into a team of a year, as i understand it there is no rule against being voted into a PFA team even if they are convicted as a criminal.

As for I have no issue with his article but for the fact that he is using morals to create a story. Its almost irrelevant that it refers to ched.

That said, his moral compass goes into overdrive in any which way he chooses, Terry was not that bad west hame did nothing wrong etc etc.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Somebody standing up for morality who has always constantly backed West Ham in the Tevez affair, more than smacks of hypocrisy.

Football generally and the PFA especially really have got themselves in a state of total confusion over race issues. Reginald D Hunter is a comedic commentator on race, prejudice and the nonsense it creates. Most of his observations are grounded in personal experience, yet the PFA run around like a kid caught with his hand in the sweetie jar, uttering apologies to anyone who will listen because he used a few words they feel are inappropriate. No, it was inappropriate when Suarez used it (should his name have been withdrawn ?) to have a go at Evra, but in the context as used by Mr Hunter it is certainly not breaching appropriateness. Time to grow up on this issue, but then football isn't really very grown up on plenty of things less important than race/racism.

 

[Darren]

I see no reason to falsify results. I see one rather large reason not to bestow the honour of selection on Evans given his conviction, with him being replaced by the next highest voted forward.

But that would be falsifying the result.

 

[OllyBlade]

Didn't see anything too hostile to United in the article really. That might have been because I couldn't see anything at all past that idiot's massive fat arse though.

 

[Coily]

But that would be falsifying the result.

I disagree, he actions should have rendered him ineligible for the award.

Not a direct comparison of course, but would you consider Ben Johnson to be Olympic 100m Champion in 1988? He won the race after all.

 

[sitwell]

dont think Ched eating hairy pie enhanced his performance on the pitch .

 

[metty]

dont think Ched eating hairy pie enhanced his performance on the pitch .

That comment leaves a nasty taste in the mouth