Marcus Alonso

[FMBlade1]

The Gary Madine thread got me thinking, yes he is a **** who I wouldn't want at the club I support for both footballing and non-footballing reasons.

However would that extend to a player who would undoubtedly improve us like Alonso? In case you didn't know, his car he was recklessly driving crashed killing a 19 year old girl.

I have to say, pathetic as it sounds, I'd be really unsure about it, wonder what others thoughts are

UTB

(p.s yes I know he will never sign for us, and this is different to the 'you know who' situation as the external wrongdoing is clear-cut and not in dispute)

 

[s4-blade]

Anybody who would do a job can come, we’re paying them to play football not be perfect blokes.

Football is about results and for 90 minutes on a Saturday (or whenever sky want to put us on) everything else goes out the window.

 

[RedandWhite]

It's a big difference between the two players, One was an unintentional unfortunate mistake. The others a downright cunt

 

[LJBlade]

It's a big difference between the two players, One was an unintentional unfortunate mistake. The others a downright cunt

And one was a one off mistake, the other has a long history of being a cunt.

 

[Stretch]

'On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h (70 mph) in wet conditions in a 50 km/h (30 mph) zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per millilitre of blood. He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent'

Nice to see people getting a fitting punishment isn't it ?

Honestly, can you imagine how that girl's family must have felt? A rich bloke gets tanked up and causes the death of their daughter, so instead of going to prison he gets a fine that he can probably pay with a few weeks wages.

 

[zablade]

Can we have a “hardly relevant at all mill” for this sort of thread?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can we have a “hardly relevant at all mill” for this sort of thread?

If we’re to judge Madine it should be on our opinion - however relevant or not - on what he’s done. Not comparing him to others. This thread is nonsense.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Maybe im different but I’ve no need to like any of our players individually.
They are not my friends and I’m not going out for a drink with any of them.

Would prefer us not to sign Madine, Evans, King etc but I support the club and want the team to entertain and win.
So I generally overcome it and try not to judge as we rarely know the full facts.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Early contender for daftest thread of the year. Anymore Chelsea multi million pound players we could sign?!

 

[Chali 2na]

Anybody who would do a job can come, we’re paying them to play football not be perfect blokes.

Football is about results and for 90 minutes on a Saturday (or whenever sky want to put us on) everything else goes out the window.

Ugh. Thank god you don't control transfers.

It's a big difference between the two players, One was an unintentional unfortunate mistake. The others a downright cunt

It wasn't "unfortunate" - he was drunk, driving more than double the speed limit, in the rain- it was inevitable.

 

[LJBlade]

If we’re to judge Madine it should be on our opinion - however relevant or not - on what he’s done. Not comparing him to others. This thread is nonsense.

Considering who started it, did you really expect it not to be nonsense? I’m just surprised he hasn’t managed to shoe horn in a link to one of his previous threads as he used to do when he was posting as GunnerBlade on Bladesmad

 

[AWetFlannel]

Ugh. Thank god you don't control transfers.



It wasn't "unfortunate" - he was drunk, driving more than double the speed limit, in the rain- it was inevitable.

Agree with you mostly, but he didn't intend to cause harm. You can call him idiotic, ignorant and irresponsible but not callous.

Punching someone in the face is callous.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Agree with you mostly, but he didn't intend to cause harm. You can call him idiotic, ignorant and irresponsible but not callous.

Punching someone in the face is callous.

He got drunk and got behind the wheel of a car ffs.

 

[AWetFlannel]

He got drunk and got behind the wheel of a car ffs.

So you can legitimately slag him off to the hills, but his brain wasn't calculating causing death (which is exactly his problem).

If I assault someone I am intending to cause harm. Not that I'm defending Alonso's actions, which were unacceptable.

 

[SwissBlade]

The Gary Madine thread got me thinking, yes he is a **** who I wouldn't want at the club I support for both footballing and non-footballing reasons.

However would that extend to a player who would undoubtedly improve us like Alonso? In case you didn't know, his car he was recklessly driving crashed killing a 19 year old girl.

I have to say, pathetic as it sounds, I'd be really unsure about it, wonder what others thoughts are

UTB

(p.s yes I know he will never sign for us, and this is different to the 'you know who' situation as the external wrongdoing is clear-cut and not in dispute)

I have to admit that I’ve never heard of Marcus Alonso

 

[SwissBlade]

So you can legitimately slag him off to the hills, but his brain wasn't calculating causing death (which is exactly his problem).

If I assault someone I am intending to cause harm. Not that I'm defending Alonso's actions, which were unacceptable.

Madine - pissed and assaults someone
Alonso chap - drunk drove and killed someone

Both took conscious decisions to drink and caused harm in doing so. Dress it up how you want but it can never excuse an action or behaviour

 

[AWetFlannel]

Madine - pissed and assaults someone
Alonso chap - drunk drove and killed someone

Both took conscious decisions to drink and caused harm in doing so. Dress it up how you want but it can never excuse an action or behaviour

Dribking does not equal doing harm, so consciously drinking is ok. Consciously dribk driving is not ok, but still does not entail the bloke being callous or evil as he didn't intend to do what he did.

Absolutley agree that it doesn't excuse it though, he has to be responsible for what he caused whether he intended to or not.

 

[Harrisblade]

So you can legitimately slag him off to the hills, but his brain wasn't calculating causing death (which is exactly his problem).

If I assault someone I am intending to cause harm. Not that I'm defending Alonso's actions, which were unacceptable.

What if you've had a drink and your brain (if sober) wouldn't have calculated hitting anyone?

 

[Harrisblade]

Madine - pissed and assaults someone
Alonso chap - drunk drove and killed someone

Both took conscious decisions to drink and caused harm in doing so. Dress it up how you want but it can never excuse an action or behaviour

But drinking and driving is a criminal offence, drinking itself isn't.
The drink driver knows he is wrong when he starts his car, the drunk assailant may only commit the assault because of the effects of the drink

 

[AWetFlannel]

What if you've had a drink and your brain (if sober) wouldn't have calculated hitting anyone?

I get what you are saying in your other post about drink effecting your decisions. But hitting someone entails wanting to do harm (even if you are not in the best state of mind to make decisions). It's an explicitly harmful act. Drink driving is not the same.

 

[SwissBlade]

I get what you are saying in your other post about drink effecting your decisions. But hitting someone entails wanting to do harm (even if you are not in the best state of mind to make decisions). It's an explicitly harmful act. Drink driving is not the same.

Drink driving is no different. By getting behind the wheel when pissed, you’re putting others at risk of your actions or reactions.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Drink driving is no different. By getting behind the wheel when pissed, you’re putting others at risk of your actions or reactions.

I agree. You are not, however, intending to put people in danger. The distinction I'm making is that you could be the kindest pacifist on the planet and drink drive. The same cannot be said for assault.

 

[SwissBlade]

I agree. You are not, however, intending to put people in danger. The distinction I'm making is that you could be the kindest pacifist on the planet and drink drive. The same cannot be said for assault.

I think the point is that as soon as you drink and get behind the wheel of a 1-2 tonne vehicle you’re no better than someone that gets into a fight in a pub

Intent or not, the result is the same.

 

[Blade56]

Dribking does not equal doing harm, so consciously drinking is ok. Consciously dribk driving is not ok, but still does not entail the bloke being callous or evil as he didn't intend to do what he did.

Absolutley agree that it doesn't excuse it though, he has to be responsible for what he caused whether he intended to or not.

Don't use a keyboard with the 'b' so close to the 'n' when you've had a dribk

 

[shorehamview]

Don't use a keyboard with the 'b' so close to the 'n' when you've had a dribk

Or a wabk.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I think the point is that as soon as you drink and get behind the wheel of a 1-2 tonne vehicle you’re no better than someone that gets into a fight in a pub

Intent or not, the result is the same.

I think we can agree to have different points. I'd never say a dribk driver is better than someone who gets into a fight, just different.

The result of drink driving is often worse.

 

[RedandWhite]

Ugh. Thank god you don't control transfers.



It wasn't "unfortunate" - he was drunk, driving more than double the speed limit, in the rain- it was inevitable.

How does any of that not make it unfortunate?

 

[Chali 2na]

How does any of that not make it unfortunate?

I guess you could say it's unfortunate for the woman who lost her life, or her grieving family, but not for Alonso - if anything, he was fortunate to avoid a just punishment.

Fortune implies chance or luck are a factor - Driving drunk, at more than double the speed limit, in wet conditions, leaves little to fortune: someone dying is practically inevitable.

 

[YES Blade]

'On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h (70 mph) in wet conditions in a 50 km/h (30 mph) zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per millilitre of blood. He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent'

Nice to see people getting a fitting punishment isn't it ?

Honestly, can you imagine how that girl's family must have felt? A rich bloke gets tanked up and causes the death of their daughter, so instead of going to prison he gets a fine that he can probably pay with a few weeks wages.

So he was arrested 2nd May 2011 and wasn't sentenced until nearly 5 years later in February 2016! Bloody hell! How slow is the Spanish justice system?!?

 

[Stretch]

So he was arrested 2nd May 2011 and wasn't sentenced until nearly 5 years later in February 2016! Bloody hell! How slow is the Spanish justice system?!?

Good old Wikipedia, perhaps