Managerial failings once more..

[Sheffsteel]

and then of course no thread would be complete without old faithful, “Pep wouldn’t do any better with these players”

There's loads of evidence when clubs change managers and instantly they look a totally different team. Thats why almost every club changes manager because it's the cheapest, most cost effective way of changing team performances and results.

I'm very confident if we change to any manager performances will improve, we'll compete much better and attack more often.
However it's very possible results won't improve, in fact results could become worse.

Think Farkes Norwich21 team and Kompany's Burnley24 team are great examples.
Both teams played outstanding attacking football in the Championship scoring goals for fun.
Their fans said it's the best Burnley/ Norwich teams they'd seen in years and they were highly confident they'd do well in the Premier League.
I actually predicted that of the promoted teams Burnley would either finish comfortable mid table or bottom of the league.
Some Burnley fand laughed and replied we don't realise just how good this Burnley team is.
I'm watched them this season and they still look a good team (Norwich were also very attack minded when they came up)
but Kompany is learning the hard way, sometimes you need to take on a pragmatic verging on negative approach like Hecky.

 

[Slim Man]

Yep it’s a load of shite, we are more than capable of making a real go of it to finish 4th bottom with more progressive tactics and giving it a real go. Each game now you have those that seem to have no clue about football or tactically what would they do to try and change it, all they want to do is tell us how shite we are and that we are down already.

Every single match day thread is riddled with “the players are just not good enough” … when someone mentions making a sub, “who would you have brought on?” as though there was literally no alternative because they are all shite… and then of course no thread would be complete without old faithful, “Pep wouldn’t do any better with these players”

Literally.

Plenty of sides with players ‘not good enough for the level’ have stayed up in divisions because they have tactics and a system that makes them a strong unit. See Sheffield United 2019/20 for a very recent example.

 

[HarryHaslam]

but Kompany is learning the hard way, sometimes you need to take on a pragmatic verging on negative approach like Hecky.

Eh? Kompany has 4 points Hecky has 5, you can hardly say Heckys approach is any better than Kompanys. Our approach is shockingly poor that is plain to see.

One thing that is 100% set in stone though is that if the struggling teams at the bottom of this league have negative tactics and set their teams up to not lose a game as opposed to setting a team up to win a game they will go down. We have to change to a more positive approach if we are to survive, it’s doable imo.

 

[Blade58]

There's loads of evidence when clubs change managers and instantly they look a totally different team. Thats why almost every club changes manager because it's the cheapest, most cost effective way of changing team performances and results.

I'm very confident if we change to any manager performances will improve, we'll compete much better and attack more often.
However it's very possible results won't improve, in fact results could become worse.

Think Farkes Norwich21 team and Kompany's Burnley24 team are great examples.
Both teams played outstanding attacking football in the Championship scoring goals for fun.
Their fans said it's the best Burnley/ Norwich teams they'd seen in years and they were highly confident they'd do well in the Premier League.
I actually predicted that of the promoted teams Burnley would either finish comfortable mid table or bottom of the league.
Some Burnley fand laughed and replied we don't realise just how good this Burnley team is.
I'm watched them this season and they still look a good team (Norwich were also very attack minded when they came up)
but Kompany is learning the hard way, sometimes you need to take on a pragmatic verging on negative approach like Hecky.

For every manager that’s changed, there’s as many replacements that don’t improve a sub standard squad, or at least any improvement is short lived. Case in point: Pigs.

 

[Sheffsteel]

For every manager that’s changed, there’s as many replacements that don’t improve a sub standard squad, or at least any improvement is short lived. Case in point: Pigs.

Agree...changing manager can make things worse.
Also remember when Southampton lost to Leicester 0-9, Hassenhuttle was virtually in tears after the game.
Everyone expected him to be sacked but he stayed and results eventually improved.

My brother is a SW season ticket holder, he tells me they look a much better team under the new manager. Night and day better.
He says they've played well every match under the new manager and now look like they are being coached.
Also says their 0-4 against Millwall was a strange game, looked excellent for the 1st 30 minutes, conceded a goal, then fell apart.

Think most people judge teams/ managers on results.
Whereas I look at performance/ style of play/ tactical changes etc to help me predict future results. Also it shows where a team is heading for the future. Sheff Wed are much more optimistic with the new manager compared to their previous manager.
Even at this early stage many want him to remain even if they're relegated to league 1.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Whereas I look at performance/ style of play/ tactical changes etc to help me predict future results. Also it shows where a team is heading for the future. Sheff Wed are much more optimistic with the new manager compared to their previous manager.
Even at this early stage many want him to remain even if they're relegated to league 1.

You said we often didn’t play well last season. Did this help you predict promotion?

 

[Tom Bott]

Never been a red

The stamp did seem to be accidental, but Dahoud's boot was planted high on Osborn's calf and proceeded down to his heel. That left Brooks with little choice

Dermot Gallaghers opinion seems to differ from yours somewhat.

 

[Tom Bott]

Sheff Wed are much more optimistic with the new manager compared to their previous manager.

Nailed on to not get relegated then.

So is it better to replace Hecky so we can feel optimistic while we still probably get relegated anyway.

I don't recall it working out too well for Leeds, they are on their fourth new manger since dismissing Bielsa, at a cost of how many millions.

 

[reedy63]

People tend to forget we have most of our first-choice players out injured. who is going to take over if Hecky gets sacked? I suggest not holding your breath on that.,nowt is going to happen until the Poundland prince sells the club. Don't hold your breath on that either.

 

[ancientblade]

This 'we aren't good enough' bollocks is a bit boring now. We have some good players in this side, certainly more than capable of playing a semi passing style. We are playing prime Warnock away from home ball, even at home, but without the big targetman to punt it to. It's fucking daft.

Great point yesterday yes, but as I said it's 3 spawny goals on the bounce, we aren't actually creating much at all. That needs to change, and if we stop punting it upfield every time we get it we might be able to.

agree with you on the tactics slim absolute waste of time punting it upfield when we havent a target man on the pitch but disagree with you on your other point. yes we have got some good players but their all top championship players and that just isnt good enough at this level anymore but that ones not down to hecky 100% abdullah to blame by not backing the manager financially in august

 

[ancientblade]

Nailed on to not get relegated then.

So is it better to replace Hecky so we can feel optimistic while we still probably get relegated anyway.

I don't recall it working out too well for Leeds, they are on their fourth new manger since dismissing Bielsa, at a cost of how many millions.

i very much doubt this rohl guy at the sty will last much longer than the xsisco kid did their bigger certs to get relegated than us

 

[BarcaBlade]

Are you mental? I mean, fcking really? Gonna have to mute this clown

Every now and again, and it's rare, I find myself wondering where the 'ignore' button is.
Can someone remind me where I find it?

 

[ekke287]

Every now and again, and it's rare, I find myself wondering where the 'ignore' button is.
Can someone remind me where I find it?

You have to tap the users name and there’s an ignore button on there.

 

[BarcaBlade]

You have to tap the users name and there’s an ignore button on there.

Just in case it wasn't clear, the ignore search wasn't for Fifty Shades.

 

[ZLB]

He's acting the cunt and you have a go at me? Fck you yer wankstain

Eeew

 

[ZLB]

We knew our fate so let's just let Hecky take us down with miserly tactics and not make a go of it?
The first half yesterday was one of the worst coached halves of football I've ever seen us produce there was no plan and players didn't understand their role. Getting a few points under this inept manager just shows what this lot could actually get under someone who is proactive and organised and uses players to their strengths.

Ooh some bladey blade you are.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Ooh some bladey blade you are.

Quality contribution.

But if thinking we can do better than we actually are and we can actually have a go rather than "waa waa waa we aren't good enough let's just go down quietly" makes me less of a blade then fair enough

 

[blade too long]

Asaba hit the nail on the head it terms of how we are setting up. We are playing players out of position
Perhaps it's also no conincidence that our injury record is appalling still.. Granted you can't place the blame solely on the manager for that one... but surely tactical substitutions would aid in protecting our players

players out of position , we only have 2 fit centre backs
we have more players still on gurneys than a Gaza hospital

its a fucking miracle we came back to get a point

when hecky turns round and looks at the subs bench its so young he has to have a nanny on the bench

 

[Tom Bott]

Let’s save these for when it happens against us. I will be kicking off saying it’s not a red. You lot better be the same.

Maybe scrap VAR and have a poll on social media to see if it should be a penalty or not.

Referendum worked for Brexit.

Everyone happy.

 

[Tom Bott]

when hecky turns round and looks at the subs bench its so young he has to have a nanny on the bench

Other teams look at their bench, £ 200 million sat there.

Heckies fault though.

 

[blade too long]

Other teams look at their bench, £ 200 million sat there.

Heckies fault though.

he refuses to buy lottery tickets , big mistake

 

[Blade 1971]

There's loads of evidence when clubs change managers and instantly they look a totally different team. Thats why almost every club changes manager because it's the cheapest, most cost effective way of changing team performances and results.

I'm very confident if we change to any manager performances will improve, we'll compete much better and attack more often.
However it's very possible results won't improve, in fact results could become worse.

Think Farkes Norwich21 team and Kompany's Burnley24 team are great examples.
Both teams played outstanding attacking football in the Championship scoring goals for fun.
Their fans said it's the best Burnley/ Norwich teams they'd seen in years and they were highly confident they'd do well in the Premier League.
I actually predicted that of the promoted teams Burnley would either finish comfortable mid table or bottom of the league.
Some Burnley fand laughed and replied we don't realise just how good this Burnley team is.
I'm watched them this season and they still look a good team (Norwich were also very attack minded when they came up)
but Kompany is learning the hard way, sometimes you need to take on a pragmatic verging on negative approach like Hecky.

There's loads of evidence that, even in the short term, a managerial change is unlikely to see an improvement in results.

Whether performances are likely to improve is less easy to measure, being a subjective judgement.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222578644_The_impact_of_managerial_change_on_team_performance_in_professional_sports

 

[LBA_Blade]

2 really fortunate results from 3 spawny goals are making everyone a bit delirious

Maybe, maybe not always been a big believer in you make your own luck.
Against Wolves Archers goal and the penalty were prime examples of that. With the goal yesterday, if it wasn’t an own goal surely Archer be on with another

 

[Sheffsteel]

You said we often didn’t play well last season. Did this help you predict promotion?

No, thats why we used to laugh most weeks, it's was an anomaly.
Under Slav we never really sat back and always seem to concede goals in the last minute (especially at home)
Where as with Heckingbottam we always say back defending our lead deliberately inviting pressure for as much as the last 20 minutes.
Normally that's asking for trouble but once we parked the bus, Championship level clubs couldn't break through, it proved successful.

Most times when teams consistently play well, have a pattern of play, look comfortable on the ball with every player able to pass to feet,
regularly create chances, then logic and history suggests sooner or later that team is going to win. We were like this in league 1 with Wilder, after beating Port Vale 4-0 I'd seen enough, we were so superior to the opposition every match I knew we would be promoted.

However this season they don't look anywhere near the Bassett, Warnock and Wilder relegation teams regards general play
but 4 points from Wolves and Brighton is a fantastic return, can't argue with the them results.
I like Hecky, want him to do well. Maybe it's more of a player confidence issue.
We seem to approach games like we're a league 1 side and don't belong in this division, so the mentality is damage limitation.
As mentioned Hecky has an horrendous injury situation so will be interesting to see how we perform with a more players back.
Still hopeful we'll stay up and not giving up yet.

 

[Tom Bott]

If someone said last season that we would be without Egan, Anel and Basham, we would have said we're stuffed.

 

[john Mathison]

After listening to Hecky, I keep scratching my head!!!!!!!!!! Did he watch the same game as me????? Is he terrified to make subs????? When he does, its reactive, not proactive. Very big games to come, if the players are blowing out of their arse's, put the subs on, FFS, its not rocket science.

 

[ilovesufc]

Completely irrelevant. The only question is whether they can contribute more to the game in the remainder of it than the player they are replacing.

Not too sure how can it be irrelevant that they aren't anywhere near as good as the player they're replacing... therefore it follows that their contribution will more than likely be substandard with errors more likely despite fresh legs.

 

[ilovesufc]

If the player they're replacing isn't PL quality, does it really matter if they aren't too?

We are always dead on our feet after 70 mins. As long as the player coming on can actually run we are probably in a much better position bringing them on than leaving on the tired player.

Yesterday is a bit of an outlier as they were down to 10.

I think it's pretty clear there are wildly differing levels of quality throughout our squad. I'd bet on a knackered Archer to finish a chance over the fresh legs of Osula or Traore for instance, wouldn't you?

 

[jt64]

Not too sure how can it be irrelevant that they aren't anywhere near as good as the player they're replacing... therefore it follows that their contribution will more than likely be substandard with errors more likely despite fresh legs.

By that rationale we should never make a substitution ever...

 

[Slim Man]

I think it's pretty clear there are wildly differing levels of quality throughout our squad. I'd bet on a knackered Archer to finish a chance over the fresh legs of Osula or Traore for instance, wouldn't you?

You’re asking a very particular question there.

Also, if we’re that tired we are very unlikely to get up the top end of the pitch late on anyway. Its in midfield where it all looks like it is crumbling late on.