Player Suggestion Louie Barry

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ben1987 said:
The thing with Doyle is that our team was pretty stacked that season.

He was playing with Berge, Ndiaye etc.

Norwoods standards so drastically dropped Hecky had no choice but to chuck Doyle in, who performed admirably but I don’t think he did or is anything special. He came in and offered more energy than Norwood and helped keep us ticking over. It wasn’t him that got us up though. Ndiaye and Mcatee in particular were winning points for us single handedly at times.

Doyle did well and I liked him but he seems to get remembered as some kind of superstar. He was decent but nothing more and has obviously found his ceiling as his game time and influence at Wolves was extremely limited.
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It’s his goal v Blackburn that increased fans perception of him.
 

Jimmy Fleck said:
It’s his goal v Blackburn that increased fans perception of him.
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There was a clamour before that. Personally I didn't see what he was fantastic at but he helped us get over the line for sure and is obviously a top end championship player but I don't see him as premier league
 
Berkshire Blade said:
There was a clamour before that. Personally I didn't see what he was fantastic at but he helped us get over the line for sure and is obviously a top end championship player but I don't see him as premier league
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He was better - and, crucially, a lot more mobile - than Norwood. We were running out of steam and a lot of that was down to Norwood being targeted. Doyle changed the dynamic and enabled us to play 10-15 yards further up the pitch. That got McAtee and Ndiaye on the ball near the opposition goal and made us a whole lot more dangerous.
 
MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
One man’s masterstroke, is another man’s giving 2 points start to your opposition.
A gamble yes, I agree. A masterstroke, never!
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It got us promoted to the Premier League, and prevented us from financial collapse. Call it what you will, but it was hugely important to our short and medium term future.
 
If we sign him for say £3.5m and he’s really good and we sell him for say £20m , we still bank over £8m profit and we’ve obviously benefited massively during his time with us. I don’t see the problem with the clause as we can name on one hand the players we’ve made that much profit on ! Alternatively the 50% might end up being pretty much bugger all ! I would personally sooner sign him than not and the rest will sort itself out!
As ever UTB !
 
Nick Jansky said:
Many masterstrokes are gambles. And it worked.
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Didn’t really work did it?We didn’t go up
Surely could only be regarded as working if we’d gone up, with the 2 point reduction.In reality we put 2 points less pressure on the 2 teams that did, in the run in.
Maybe you’ve got a lower bar on the definition of a masterstroke.If you have good luck mate, enjoy your celebrations.I’m bored with it now.
 
MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
Didn’t really work did it?We didn’t go up
Surely could only be regarded as working if we’d gone up, with the 2 point reduction.In reality we put 2 points less pressure on the 2 teams that did, in the run in.
Maybe you’ve got a lower bar on the definition of a masterstroke.If you have good luck mate, enjoy your celebrations.I’m bored with it now.
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It restored financial stability to a club that was heading in a bad direction and enabled last season’s rebuild. It is also the reason that we still have parachute payments and a chance of promotion this season. So yes, it worked.
 
MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
Didn’t really work did it?We didn’t go up
Surely could only be regarded as working if we’d gone up, with the 2 point reduction.In reality we put 2 points less pressure on the 2 teams that did, in the run in.
Maybe you’ve got a lower bar on the definition of a masterstroke.If you have good luck mate, enjoy your celebrations.I’m bored with it now.
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I think you and Nick Jansky are talking about 2 different gambles.

Both gambles paid off.

The first one, we held onto Berge and Ndiaye instead of cashing in = Promoted.

The 2nd gamble was to trade a -2pts deduction for 3 transfer window embargo.
Just because we didn't go up doesn't mean that gamble hasn't paid off.
2pts was never going to affect Sheffield United.
A 3 transfer window embargo would have.

If you look at the pigs - no transfer fees allowed. No wages over £7K. No loan fees allowed.

If we had that imposed on us last season instead of the 2pts, then there's no Cooper, no Burrows, no O'Hare, no Moore, no Rak-Sakyi, no Cannon... Do I need to go on ?
With an embargo and losing 15 (??) players on frees last summer, there's a big chance we'd have been relegated
 

MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
Paid my debts on time, and took less of a profit on the sale of the club, giving Wilder an even chance of getting us up.
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Paid them with what? Magic beans?

We were deducted two points for missed payments in the Heckingbottom season.

If he had paid the bills he would have had to sell Berge and Ndiaye mid season and we would not have got promoted. We would have been left majorly in the shit.

We got the points deduction last season as the punishment was from the EFL and not the premier league.

This happened two years before the take over. 18 months before last season even started.

The profit on the sale was 2 years later.
 
3Cheers4Ramirez said:
Is Barry good enough to justify throwing away future profit to the extent of 50%?
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How did Liverpool get on with their Brewster sell on clause?

If he’s done well enough to be going for big money we make a profit either. Feels like another english forward that’s going to bounce around the championship for a bit and hope he gets promoted, don’t think he’s ever going for Delap money.
 
3Cheers4Ramirez said:
Is Barry good enough to justify throwing away future profit to the extent of 50%?
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I think these crazy sell on clauses might have had their day. Players are getting wise and running contracts down like Burger, Ndiaye and now Brewster, DCL, COH so they become free agents and no sell on clause but big sign for us fee.
 
ben1987 said:
Paid them with what? Magic beans?

We were deducted two points for missed payments in the Heckingbottom season.

If he had paid the bills he would have had to sell Berge and Ndiaye mid season and we would not have got promoted.

We got the points deduction last season as the punishment was from the EFL and not the premier league.

This happened two years before the take over. 18 months before last season even started.

The profit on the sale was 2 years later.
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Give it a rest lads.I’m not really having a go at your Prince.I just don’t see it as somekind of strategic masterstroke like you guys.Not even with the gift of hindsight.
But if you do, so be it.Enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction.I’ve other things to do.
 
3Cheers4Ramirez said:
Is Barry good enough to justify throwing away future profit to the extent of 50%?
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I don't know how good he is, but if the rumoured fee of £3.5m is true... then maybe.

If he managed to replicate his League 1 form in the Championship then you've got a £15-20m player.
 
MagnifiqueShorehamStreet said:
Give it a rest lads.I’m not really having a go at your Prince.I just don’t see it as somekind of strategic masterstroke like you guys.Not even with the gift of hindsight.
But if you do, so be it.Enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction.I’ve other things to do.
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No one’s sticking up for the prince. He was in over his head

You’re just making an impossible, factually incorrect argument with no fact or understanding to back it up.

Like take less profit to avoid the points deduction when there was a 2 year gap between events. That would take some Chansiri esque stadium sale accounting to pull off.
 
People saying it was a plan all along not to pay transfer fees and that was a genius stroke..no. We just didn't find a buyer for Burge the January we went up. No master plan.

As for Barry I remember seeing a few of his goals and they were all similar to each other. Either he's really good or people will find him out and stop him doing it! Mind you Robben made a career out of it ..
 
Berkshire Blade said:
People saying it was a plan all along not to pay transfer fees and that was a genius stroke..no. We just didn't find a buyer for Burge the January we went up. No master plan.

As for Barry I remember seeing a few of his goals and they were all similar to each other. Either he's really good or people will find him out and stop him doing it! Mind you Robben made a career out of it ..
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No one is saying it was a master plan all along to stop playing bills.

It was a bloody awful and stupid position to put the club in.

People are saying it was a calculated risk that they made when they realised the fees for Ndiaye and Berge were going to be a lot less than their worth to us.

We essentially traded a two point deduction for a promotion and £150 million.

How would people have reacted had we sold Ndiaye and Berge in January and Middlesbrough beaten us to promotion?
 
ben1987 said:
No one is saying it was a master plan all along to stop playing bills.

It was a bloody awful and stupid position to put the club in.

People are saying it was a calculated risk that they made when they realised the fees for Ndiaye and Berge were going to be a lot less than their worth to us.

We essentially traded a two point deduction for a promotion and £150 million.

How would people have reacted had we sold Ndiaye and Berge in January and Middlesbrough beaten us to promotion?
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It's a shame we don't have the luxury of showing to folk what the alternative scenario would have been.

I bet the ones here opposing you, would be even more unhappy had we missed out on promotion under Hecky, and had everything go to shit afterwards
 
Shadota said:
It's a shame we don't have the luxury of showing to folk what the alternative scenario would have been.

I bet the ones here opposing you, would be even more unhappy had we missed out on promotion under Hecky, and had everything go to shit afterwards
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They’re the kind that are never happy either way so you cannot win.
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
Not a massive fine in the scheme of things is it?
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£9.5m potentially rising to £22.5m, the £13m threat hanging over them might force them to air on the side of caution. Then again premier league clubs seem to do as they please so l wouldn’t be even remotely surprised if they are bidding £100m for someone next week.

The financial rules in place are a joke.
 

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