#LetFansIn

[Andy67]

The latest estimates say that 750 million, or a tenth of the entire world, have already been infected. Only one million have died. That's a rate that's roughly on a par with Conor Sammon's goals to shots ratio. By your rationale we wouldn't get in a car or cross the road, too dangerous

Have a massive

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Can't see a return this season, in fact the way trends are going I can see a shutdown of sport and probably a curtailment of this season.

I don't see a shutdown in the near future but I do see disruption to sides and fixtures for sure. Cost a side in the rugby their place in the play offs this week as they had to forfit due to a big outbreak in their sqaud.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Quite staggering on the day Labour question the validity of the 22:00 curfew, the cunts in charge want to take us further backwards.
I would love to see more protests, more anarchy, even the odd politician assassination to get this country back on track, and our freedom restored.

You wouldn't see it on the news even if there was a riot. It would only be twitter and Facebook videos so all credibility lost straight away.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Football isn't that important no, but in the grand scheme of things neither is alot of things.

What I fear people aren't realising is the repercussions of closing the hospitality sector, not just for the people who own and employ, but for us folk who use it.

One could argue the threat posed by job losses and closures of hospitality and other industries is higher than that of the virus to human life. I read on the BBC that an estimated 500k jobs are likely to be lost. If 10% of those affected die due to mental health, suicides, lack of treatments or developing illnesses they can't get treatment for or even homelessness, it will surpass the death toll from the virus.

Now I know that is a little drastic but it has to be taken very very seriously, which it seems now it is being as 'health experts' are beginning to question lockdown measures due to the rise of the above mentioned problems.

The problem isn't straight forward and people were willing to put up with it - when they were getting paid. Now jobs are on the line the desperation is clear as day.

Don't worry yourself about the mental health of fit and healthy people losing their jobs or businesses for a virus with a 99% survival rate. We should worry more about those shit scared of the virus.

The economy, jobs, impending recession and poverty are trumped by the fear.

Fucking frightening time to be alive. Which is ironic really as I'm not scared.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The thing is, you have to turn this on it's head. Go 180. People who are wearing masks, socially distancing, staying home, adapting, being flexible. They're not scared. They're not living in fear. They're using the only weapons we have in this game. They're the brave. Taking one for the team. Having their mates backs. Getting their round in. Staying the course. Lasting the distance. Ducking. Diving. Getting it done.

PARKLIFE

 

[Bartleby]

Don't worry yourself about the mental health of fit and healthy people losing their jobs or businesses for a virus with a 99% survival rate. We should worry more about those shit scared of the virus.

The economy, jobs, impending recession and poverty are trumped by the fear.

Fucking frightening time to be alive. Which is ironic really as I'm not scared.

Totally see your point about jobs and the economy but it's got to be a balancing act surely. If we go down the herd immunity route and it backfires there'll be a total shutdown and even more job losses and more deaths from other causes including mental health/ folk topping themselves, if the NHS can't cope. With a 99% survival rate, if that's what it is, that's potentially 660,000 deaths - not to be sniffed at.

 

[jt64]

With a 99% survival rate, if that's what it is, that's potentially 660,000 deaths - not to be sniffed at.

It's more like 0.1-0.2% death rate of those that are infected. It's also reckoned that maybe half the population can't actually get infected. The worst has passed.

 

[Bartleby]

It's more like 0.1-0.2% death rate of those that are infected. It's also reckoned that maybe half the population can't actually get infected. The worst has passed.

Sounds good to me, can relax now

 

[Flumps]

Sounds good to me, can relax now

It's not about relaxing anyway. Locking down initially was the right thing to do, we needed to gain some data and knowledge about what was floating about out there. I think the best thing now would be to focus more on getting back to that 'normal' but take a more focussed approach on the vulnerable and the elderly who are more at risk (albeit still a small risk) and let's not forget that those who are healthy yet terrified can happily remain in doors, masked up or wrapped in an isolation chamber for all anyone else cares.

 

[Chingo]

It's more like 0.1-0.2% death rate of those that are infected. It's also reckoned that maybe half the population can't actually get infected. The worst has passed.

Where have you got that from ?
only 7% of the uk population have had exposure to Covid , not hard to work out how many are still vulnerable.

 

[jt64]

Where have you got that from ?
only 7% of the uk population have had exposure to Covid , not hard to work out how many are still vulnerable.

T-cells, duh

 

[Ted Danson]

Not just knowingly, but knowing there is a risk that they could have it. Life time ban from all football matches for me.

Would you give a lifetime ban to anyone attending the footy or any other event with the flu?

 

[Chingo]

T-cells, duh

Oh herd immunity?
Herd immunity is not possible with covid , we do get antibodies but only for 3 to six months then they fade , people have even had the virus twice !

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Are we going to have a conversation with emojis?



Oh, that guy:

Coulthard just about to give the clown a good hard Scottish elbow in the ribs.

 

[Ted Danson]

Oh herd immunity?
Herd immunity is not possible with covid , we do get antibodies but only for 3 to six months then they fade , people have even had the virus twice !

Antibodies are only a small part of our defence system though, while they may only last for a few months other cells have picked up the type of virus and will help us fight it in the future. Antibodies are not the be all and end all.

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Ive only heard of anecdotal evidence of anybody getting Covid twice and even from that it was apparently really mild or unnoticeable the second time. Id imagine its much more likely these reoccurring cases are due to bad screening methods rather than an actual second infection.

 

[bypassblade]

Please take good care of yourself my friend.

Thank you LYDON I do and trust me my family wrap me in cotton wool (lol) I appreciate this Pete.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

Would you give a lifetime ban to anyone attending the footy or any other event with the flu?

No, our immune systems have dealt with the flu throughout human evolution so the majority are fine. We also have vaccinations for the vulnerable. Covid isn’t the flu!

We still don’t know long term effects and we are now seeing what was perfectly healthy people before suffering lasting effects, sometimes severe.

Comparing Covid to the flu is silly. The government don’t lockdown the country for flu! There are good reasons for that and we don’t see swathes of medical professsionals dying from treating the infected.

Yes, the situation is shit but we’ll get through it eventually.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I think you have to give people the benefit of the doubt first. Sadly, some pubs and some clientele fail the test.

Mrs BoSS and I went to Malham during the week and went into a pub for a meal for the first time in 6 months.

They had it spot on with adhering to guidelines, as did their customers.

Lister's Arms if anybody is out that way. Can highly recommend it.

Forgot to mention. I took the photo of Listers Arms (deleted in this quote by me) to include one of the entrances to Gordale Scar via Janet's Foss. Up on the right by the yellow sign is the scenic way and it's lovely. Much better than the road and path. Janet's Foss is a lovely little waterfall and it's been seen in the new version of All Creatures Great and Small in which the James Herriot character was caught having a skinny-dip by the Helen Alderson character. Malham and the nearby village of Kirkby Malham were featured in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as was the Limestone Pavement on the top of Malham Cove. The name Malham is a derivative from the village name in the Domesday Book, Malgun (settlement by the gravelly places). Kirkby Malham nearby has a medieval church, St Michael the Archangel hence it's name of Small village (by) with a church (kirk) near the gravelly places (Malham). Bill Bryson lived here once upon a time apparently.

Some photos with apologies to Foxy and Linz and the providers of the S24SU bandwidth thingy-wotsit!

Janet's Foss, complete with ongoing film shot for some lad's magazine



Gordale Scar (just after the sign warning us to beware of falling rocks!!!)




Malham Cove



The Limestone Pavement complete with lonely tree as seen in the Deathly Hallows



a view along the top rim of the Cove





and finally, a quick snap of part of the stairway to the top. All 400 steps of it!!!!! Damn near killed me

 

[jt64]

Oh herd immunity?
Herd immunity is not possible with covid , we do get antibodies but only for 3 to six months then they fade , people have even had the virus twice !

Herd immunity is a natural end point to every single virus in history. But hey, go on about antibodies when I'm referencing the defence mechanism that huge percentages of the population has that doesn't result in antibodies being created

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

On next week's Country File..............

we'll have Prince Abdullah on the show
as he starts Wainwright's Coast to Coast Walk.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I bet Mrs BoSS wasnt driving

She was indeed driving.

She doesn't often get to use her Ford Fiesta Eco boost 1 litre engine with 140 bhp much these days as it's our Covid-safe car.

She takes the 15 year old Colt to work. I get to use the Ford

Besides, my legs were dead after trekking to and from Malham Cove interspersed by the 400 step each way staircase to the top of it.

Bit of grey matter left yet, mate.

Norra lot, mind!

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Antibodies are only a small part of our defence system though, while they may only last for a few months other cells have picked up the type of virus and will help us fight it in the future. Antibodies are not the be all and end all.

Correct. Exactly the same as happens with the influenza virus.

 

[Ted Danson]

No, our immune systems have dealt with the flu throughout human evolution so the majority are fine. We also have vaccinations for the vulnerable. Covid isn’t the flu!

We still don’t know long term effects and we are now seeing what was perfectly healthy people before suffering lasting effects, sometimes severe.

Comparing Covid to the flu is silly. The government don’t lockdown the country for flu! There are good reasons for that and we don’t see swathes of medical professsionals dying from treating the infected.

Yes, the situation is shit but we’ll get through it eventually.

"No, our immune systems have dealt with the flu throughout human evolution so the majority are fine": just like Covid

"We still don’t know long term effects and we are now seeing what was perfectly healthy people before suffering lasting effects, sometimes severe.":
yet to see any proper numbers on this, do you have any?

"Comparing Covid to the flu is silly."
No, its really not silly, they are both similarly infectious and can cause severe harm to vulnerable people. They can both cause other fatal diseases to occur and are spread in a similar fashion so in what way do you think its silly?

"The government doesnt lock down for flu":
Exactly the point! so why should it for Covid?

Also, medical professionals do die from flu

 

[guancheblade]

But all those activities are indoors, footy would be outside, you could also correlate the rise in positive tests to the rise in mask wearing.

then we get back to the fact the case stats are nonsense and deaths really arnt rising in any abnormal way and not inline with the scaremongering case numbers

Deary me, can we all try to compare apples with apples please?

Yes attending football on the whole is an outdoor activity, but not a 100% outdoor activity for the vast majority of professional clubs. And that percentage drops drastically the higher up the pyramid you go (Spurs for example, even when in your seat the stadium design most likely ensures that any germs get passed around very easily).

And the cinema example is getting on my tits. Because going to a cinema with a capacity of a couple of hundred at any one time is exactly the same as attending football isn't it? Even if the crowds are as low as the proposed 6k+, the enforced half time break where everyone en mass descends upon toilet facilities less than 2 metres wide by way of similarly narrow concourses (often indoor) make it extremely difficult to ensure social distancing. In fact watching the game is the safest bit! It's the entering/exiting of the ground and the half time break that really doesn't meet social distancing criteria and a club like Sheffield United won't ever be able to do so without an expensive refurb. And 30 minute half time breaks.

I really don't see how fans can return in any number until the government drastically changes its covid philosophy to one of self determination on risk. Whether that is the right thing to do or not I'm not the one to say.

 

[Chingo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

don’t think they know enough yet about how the immune system copes with covid yet but herd immunity relies on antibodies and as far as I can see it's not an option , to achieve herd immunity requires between 50-70% (some say 90%) of the population exposed to covid.

with 1% likely to perish thats 600,000 deaths based on 60% of the uk population!

 

[Davalon]

Oh herd immunity?
Herd immunity is not possible with covid , we do get antibodies but only for 3 to six months then they fade , people have even had the virus twice !

A vaccine won't make much difference then

 

[raimond]

Even if the crowds are as low as the proposed 6k+, the enforced half time break where everyone en mass descends upon toilet facilities less than 2 metres wide by way of similarly narrow concourses (often indoor) make it extremely difficult to ensure social distancing. In fact watching the game is the safest bit!

Dead right. Plus pubs, transport etc. Just thinking of solutions not problems though, with us all being socially distanced anyway, to negate the toilet issue, perhaps we could all just piss ourselves? I think if it meant me being able to watch the Blades and keep others safe, I'd happily do it. Only to watch us nowadays though. I don't think I'd have even done a wet fart for Nigel Adkins.

Just thinking out loud.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don't think half time would be much of a problem with a reduced crowd. If you closed the bars and smoking areas, you'd have a hell of a lot fewer people leaving their seats and congesting the walkways. The only reason people would move at half time is for the toilet, which would be reduced by 70% straight away (if we're talking 30% capacity) and reduced further as the bars are shut. Extra toilets can ease this even further quite easily.

Full time is obviously a problem. At 30% capacity it is surely manageable though, even if you have to stagger the sections that can leave at the same time and make masks compulsory when entering/exiting the ground.

For what it's worth I think all of the above is ridiculous, but it goes far above any of the governments current guidelines on what is deemed safe, so why can't it be done?

 

[guancheblade]

I don't think half time would be much of a problem with a reduced crowd. If you closed the bars and smoking areas, you'd have a hell of a lot fewer people leaving their seats and congesting the walkways. The only reason people would move at half time is for the toilet, which would be reduced by 70% straight away (if we're talking 30% capacity) and reduced further as the bars are shut. Extra toilets can ease this even further quite easily.

Full time is obviously a problem. At 30% capacity it is surely manageable though, even if you have to stagger the sections that can leave at the same time and make masks compulsory when entering/exiting the ground.

For what it's worth I think all of the above is ridiculous, but it goes far above any of the governments current guidelines on what is deemed safe, so why can't it be done?

Would the fans adhere to it? Will the club employ urinal police? Are the fans still going to be racing to be the first to leave the ground?

I imagine the biggest obstacle to a Covid safe experience are the fans themselves (or a mindless minority)

 

[Bladesman]