Leeds will do better than us

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Liverpool have looked vulnerable ever since the new year and it seems that sides have woken up to the fact that the 2 full-backs are not great defenders and can be 'got at'. As they did yesterday, Salah and Mane still get them out of trouble more often not, of course, but they are not looking like the highly efficient side they were at the beginning of last season.

On the evidence of last season, I expected Leeds to be more likely to emulate what United did after promotion rather than follow Norwich. After all, like us and unlike Norwich, they had an excellent defence in their promotion season which would appear to give them a solid base. All their domination of possession in the Championship, however, often didn't translate into goals. They were pretty wasteful in front of goals and that is unlikely to change at a higher level.

I'm not sure what can be read into yesterday's match as regards Leeds' prospects for the season, really. It might just have been one of those odd games where Leeds played with a freedom and enthusiasm borne of it being the first game back in the top flight when they were considered to have nothing to lose. Not really a useful indicator of how they will go at all.

Their defence, which crucially is missing the main plank from last season (White), looked all at sea and despite Leeds' familiar non-stop pressing and harrying, Liverpool created chances at will (22 efforts at goal). That should be extremely worrying for Dirties fans. United weren't given a chasing like that in any match until we went to Anfield in the new year - some 25 games into the season.

In contrast, Leeds were remarkably efficient at the other end. They only mustered 3 shots on target and they all went in. The complete opposite of last season. That won't keep happening.

I expect them to bury Fulham next week (they look to be in serious bother and Arsenal could easily have had 8 against them today) but the following games against us, Man City, Wolves, Villa and Leicester will be a better guide as to their prospects.
 



I’ve spoken about Leeds chances with my learned football friends and we all think 2 scenarios could happen

1:They could do a Sheff United
They have a similar style to us in that they are organised and well drilled play high tempo football.
They are excellent out of possession and work so hard closing down the opposition.
They are alsp positive snd like us will genuinely go out to win..regardless of the opposition
So if they finished as high as 10th I wouldn’t be shocked.

2: They could do a Norwich
Remember thst Norwich were champions like Leeds playing impressive attacking football.
Their fans were confident like Leeds fans as they knew they would continue to play attacking positive football even in the PL.
Farke (like Bielsa) was really stubborn and instead of being pragmatic and focusing on his defence they continued to play open attacking football.
Confidence quickly drained away and they just kept playing good footbsll but losing.
So Leeds might continuously get punished and struggle...so.it wouldn’t surprise me if they are relegated.

Maybe there's a 3rd scenario. Which is where they bumble along, playing really well in some games and winning, playing awful in others and losing or drawing, and finish up around mid-table.
 
I was genuinely questioning my football perception.

they took their chances well, which you need to do, but I can’t imagine them being so efficient all season.

also, Liverpool were complacent in defence.

they’ll do OK but that defence isn’t good enough.
 
Weeds looked okay moving forwards but liverpools defence looked like they had been on the piss the night before. As for the Weeds defence, that was far from solid!
 
Yes, Leeds played some good stuff, but it looked an almost pre-season performance from the scousers at times. Not just in the vulnerability of the full-backs either.

VVD made more mistakes last night than he made pretty much all of last season, and for most of the game the high press, high tempo intensity that Klopp usually gets from them was visibly lacking.

And Leeds still shipped 4.
 
It was hard listening to the Leeds and Bielsa love in from Sky, anyone would think Leeds were the team that had just won the Premier League!

I hope they go down, but we just need to concentrate on ourselves as usual. One good thing is that this will take some of the media spotlight off us and talk of second season syndrome etc. Wilder can concentrate on what he does best.
 
The main difference I could see in Leeds compared to the Blades (of last season) is that they appear to have a much better goal threat. Defensively however they are way behind.
Hopefully our goal threat will improve this season 🤞
 
Bamford had a good game yesterday and we know what level he is usual at.

Their defence looks awful already, floppy haired German lad looks garbage. Don't worry, they aren't finishing above us.
 
Bielsa openly praised Wilder last season, saying he was the most innovative manager in the PL, doing things, and coming up with a playing strategy so unseen before. Don't you think this has had an enormous effect on how he has launched Leeds' campaign. The only thing he's got wrong ( so far) is how to defend effectively.
Can he rectify this? Don't know, don't much care. We still have the manager he aspires to be, as well as the defence he is obviously going to need as well.
 
They have a much better goal threat due to the numbers they pile forward, however that then makes them terrible at back.

Liverpool were way too cocky at the back though and we’re wide open time and time again which played into Leeds hands. Be interesting to see how they get on against other teams that won’t have there back 4 sat on the half way line.
 
We've not played yet and we're above them in the table. Anyone shooting their load this early about Leeds need to reel themselves in, its one game under unusual circumstances and they lost
 
Oh this seasons going to be hilarious is they implode. Liverpool were poor, really poor just as they were for quite a few games last season at the beginning but kept getting results.
Liverpool could have had 8 and yet we’ll get this.
If Fulham also beat them I’m going to laugh my nuts off but this season could be fun just reading the media’s excuses when Leeds (who are amazing) aren’t picking up points.
 



They were good, and deserve the plaudits, let’s not sound like the scum across the City, credit where credits due, they had more possession than Liverpool and played excellent football going forward.

I would say though their backline is delicate and they will concede a lot this season, and although scored 3 today I’m not sure their forwards are up to much either, but they do have goals in their teams a whole, they won’t go down I’d expect a 10-14 finish for them.
 
On the evidence of last season, I expected Leeds to be more likely to emulate what United did after promotion rather than follow Norwich. After all, like us and unlike Norwich, they had an excellent defence in their promotion season which would appear to give them a solid base. All their domination of possession in the Championship, however, often didn't translate into goals. They were pretty wasteful in front of goals and that is unlikely to change at a higher level.

I'm not sure what can be read into yesterday's match as regards Leeds' prospects for the season, really. It might just have been one of those odd games where Leeds played with a freedom and enthusiasm borne of it being the first game back in the top flight when they were considered to have nothing to lose. Not really a useful indicator of how they will go at all.

Their defence, which crucially is missing the main plank from last season (White), looked all at sea and despite Leeds' familiar non-stop pressing and harrying, Liverpool created chances at will (22 efforts at goal). That should be extremely worrying for Dirties fans. United weren't given a chasing like that in any match until we went to Anfield in the new year - some 25 games into the season.

In contrast, Leeds were remarkably efficient at the other end. They only mustered 3 shots on target and they all went in. The complete opposite of last season. That won't keep happening.

Think the “Leeds have a good defence“ based on last seaons stats is slightly misleading.
Last season their defence never felt any pressure....never tested.....so no one knows how good it is.
Where as when we were in the Championship in certain away games we were under constant pressure but the opposition never looked like scoring.

Another point is the “they have Bielsa who is a great coach”....again slightly misleading.
He has great coaching ideas but he’s in his 60’s and hardly won anything in the game.....so he’s obviously NOT a good manager.
Bielsa is really stubborn and never learns from errors.....he has similarities to Farke and will continue to play open football.
Their open football rarely got punished in the Championshio but in the PL they could end up conceding 3 and 4 every match.
 
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Thought Leeds played well last night but I remember Norwich beating City early last season as well with a good performance !
Their defence is not good enough though , they will have to score two or three a game to win if they carry on defending like that !
 
Fuck me. Liverpool fire on two cylinders, Van Dyk is still hungover and suddenly Leeds are Champions of Europe. Again.

These fuckers seem to forget Leeds let in four goals in their first match back in the PL.

Everyone is bone hard and dribbling about fucking Bielsa. There was so much disappointment last season that fat, ignorant bastard wasn't in the Prem with his galacticos than us. I hope we fucking take them to bits.

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League positions between us and Leeds will be pretty close ...we should finish above them as I .think Goalkeepers could be the difference as their goalie looked like a YTS kid out of his depth .....we better fkin do as ive got tons of side bets on with their shit house fans ....

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Have a like for including Rude Kid.
 
Dont worry. It will soon blow over and the giddiness will soon be dampened, after they've had a few defeats on the bounce.

At the moment it's all new and exciting to them and they are full of themselves. They are one of the new kids in class who fancy themselves a bit. Or as we called em when I was in the forces, 'young, dumb, and full of cum'. They will soon lose the bravado after a few clips round the ears in the PL.

 
Quite laughable really someone the other day said Leeds could challenge the top four 🤣 Sorry that will not be happening with defending like that. Liverpool have been poor for a few months or from when the title was as good as won. When we played them at the lane they were European champions and way in front of any other team yet we gave them a game and they looked to have run out of ideas until Hendo let a tame shot go through his legs.
A game littered with mistakes yesterday, I can't see Liverpool being that poor at the back for long and I'm not at all convinced Bamford will score many this season unless he keeps getting gifts like yesterday. Leeds play a possession game that does look pretty but it is what happens at either end that counts, not sure they have enough up front despite spending £30m on a striker and I'm not convinced they are solid enough at the back either. I don't think they will ever be in serious trouble and can see them having a season much like we did on our return. Bielsa like one or two have said he has hardly ever won owt despite all the hype and in the past he has had a habit of walking when things don't go his way. I don't know what all the fuss is about they are a decent enough side but innovative, something new or special? nah not really that's overlapping centre backs.
 
Bielsa is a very attacking coach who has done a very good job at various clubs and who some very good managers have worked under. However, he also understands how to manipulate the press and create for himself a mystique which then protects him as things go wrong and gets him further jobs. The bucket thing does he need it no so why do it simple for the image. He also doesn’t need to live above a sweet shop and walk to training either but the media have swallowed it hook line and sinker this fake humble stuff no one who plays or manages football at the top level is humble. So yeah get used to the love in because he’s going to cultivate it all year and he’s very shrewd in how he does it.
 



There were a couple of comments about Leeds’ intensity, which is true but the recent history of Leeds, under Bielsa, is that they run out of steam in January and go through an iffy period. This year they won’t have the points on the board and will be in a relegation fight come March. The defence is always the first area to get right and Leeds haven’t done that
 

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