Last 10 head to head records v prem opponents

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Arsenal - W2/D2/L6
Aston Villa - W3/D3/L4
Bournemouth - W9/D0/L1
Brighton - W5/D3/L2
Burnley - W4/D2/L4
Chelsea - W5/D0/L5
Crystal Palace - W6/D1/L3
Everton - W5/D2/L3
Leicester - W3/D2/L5
Liverpool - W4/D3/L3
Man City - W2/D5/L3
Man Utd - W2/D0/L8
Newcastle - W2/D1/L7
Norwich - W4/D1/L5
Southampton - W4/D3/L3
Tottenham - W5/D3/L2
Watford - W4/Đ1/L5
West Ham - W3/Đ5/L2
Wolves - W4/Đ3/L3

 

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Not that shabby in fact quite encouraging

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

How did we ever fall out of the top flight ?

 

[BladeFisher]

Arsenal - W2/D2/L6
Aston Villa - W3/D3/L4
Bournemouth - W9/D0/L1
Brighton - W5/D3/L2
Burnley - W4/D2/L4
Chelsea - W5/D0/L5
Crystal Palace - W6/D1/L3
Everton - W5/D2/L3
Leicester - W3/D2/L5
Liverpool - W4/D3/L3
Man City - W2/D5/L3
Man Utd - W2/D0/L8
Newcastle - W2/D1/L7
Norwich - W4/D1/L5
Southampton - W4/D3/L3
Tottenham - W5/D3/L2
Watford - W4/Đ1/L5
West Ham - W3/Đ5/L2
Wolves - W4/Đ3/L3

Sorry but a totally meaningless statistic. In some cases you are going back to 1971-2 season!

Are not the last two games we played against Leicester - and we lost both. Giving these stats is like saying Ipswich have only lost here three times in their last ten visits when playing a team they haven't faced for twenty years!

If you want to play with the stats as presented it would appear we'll get between 45 and 55 points and that with a team that would include the likes of Currie, Woodward, Deane, Jagielka, Webber and Hope.

A more worrying stat is this. Look at where United have finished the season after they got promoted.

1961-2 = 5th
1971-2 = 10th
1990-1 = 13th
2006-7 = 18th

Perhaps this indicates the gulf that grows for every season we are out of the top flight. Expectation for next season is zilch especially with £20m to spend.

 

[Tom Bott]

Sorry but a totally meaningless statistic

Boo, your lack of optimism is appaling.

Have another Peroni.

 

[Tom Bott]

especially with £20m to spend.

Glad to see your on the Blades accounts committee though.

Is that figure, total budget including wages, or just for Desso maintenance ?

Out of interest, all these people who speculate on this years 'budget' , what was last year's budget ?

Surely there should be a factual amount available by now.

 

[Tom Bott]

Last years budget.

So 3-4 million on egan.
2 million on Norwood.

Henderson was free. ( 1-2 million on wages doesn't count on forums)
Didzy was free. ( )

Christy Wilder we spent sweet FA.

What a budget.

£ 6 million to get promoted to the PL. - LOL.

 

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Sorry but a totally meaningless statistic. In some cases you are going back to 1971-2 season!

Are not the last two games we played against Leicester - and we lost both. Giving these stats is like saying Ipswich have only lost here three times in their last ten visits when playing a team they haven't faced for twenty years!

If you want to play with the stats as presented it would appear we'll get between 45 and 55 points and that with a team that would include the likes of Currie, Woodward, Deane, Jagielka, Webber and Hope.

A more worrying stat is this. Look at where United have finished the season after they got promoted.

1961-2 = 5th
1971-2 = 10th
1990-1 = 13th
2006-7 = 18th

Perhaps this indicates the gulf that grows for every season we are out of the top flight. Expectation for next season is zilch especially with £20m to spend.

How can a factual statistic be misleading.
We have never won at Bristol rivers is a fact we can't escape .
People go on about us losing in a play off final v palace as very relevant . Was that not years ago. Are they only relevant if it shows us in a bad light then

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

We have three players in our squad who have scored in the Premier League.

Ched Evans against Portsmouth in 2008.

Man City 6-0 Portmsouth




Chris Basham against Chelsea in 2009.

Chelsea 4-3 Bolton




Richard Stearman against Hull in 2009.

Wolves 1-1 Hull

 

[coaxingstar71]

How can a factual statistic be misleading.
We have never won at Bristol rivers is a fact we can't escape .
People go on about us losing in a play off final v palace as very relevant . Was that not years ago. Are they only relevant if it shows us in a bad light then

All I can say is it's a good job we're not facing Hereford or Cambridge this season.

 

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Of the 19 opponents we have very poor records v Newcastle and man Utd. .all teams have teams they struggle against .
We did ourselves no favours on our last season in the prem . The last 8 games were tactical disasters . Going to Villa trying to defend and the like did for us. This team won't do that.. We might fall but it won't be for want of having a go. We have a good defensive record despite not being a middlesboro style team of ultra defensive tactics. We concede fewer by defending in the opponents penalty area

 

[BladeFisher]

How can a factual statistic be misleading.
We have never won at Bristol rivers is a fact we can't escape .
People go on about us losing in a play off final v palace as very relevant . Was that not years ago. Are they only relevant if it shows us in a bad light then

Bloody hell you aren't a politician are you? Quoting how well we have played against 'Premiership opposition' is totally meaningless when we haven't even played 10 seasons in it and the basis is to suggest we might do better than we clearly will against them. It is equally meaningless as to quote our cup final appearances and suggest we would win them based on over 100 years of time. The only point of lengthy time stats in football is to show that a club does or doesn't do very well in a fixture but comparing the relative strength of clubs over 40 years ago is total tosh.

Anybody with a brain and memory of will recall and know that Currie, Woodward et al were pretty damn good compared to the Law's, Best's, McClintock's, Charlton's of 70-71. Implying that our current squad is anything near that of the PL's big boys is total tosh and therefore the stats that rely on that are bull too.

 

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Bloody hell you aren't a politician are you? Quoting how well we have played against 'Premiership opposition' is totally meaningless when we haven't even played 10 seasons in it and the basis is to suggest we might do better than we clearly will against them. It is equally meaningless as to quote our cup final appearances and suggest we would win them based on over 100 years of time. The only point of lengthy time stats in football is to show that a club does or doesn't do very well in a fixture but comparing the relative strength of clubs over 40 years ago is total tosh.

Anybody with a brain and memory of will recall and know that Currie, Woodward et al were pretty damn good compared to the Law's, Best's, McClintock's, Charlton's of 70-71. Implying that our current squad is anything near that of the PL's big boys is total tosh and therefore the stats that rely on that are bull too.

I lived through the 60s and 70s . We had no money then but competed through our tenacity and togetherness. This team now has that attitude . Burnley by your reckoning for example should by right have no chance of competing but do. All results are history as soon as a game is over. What lays ahead is yet to be written
You mention Currie Woodward as examples . What about your mathewson . Wagstaffs puntons and cliff. These were similar to what we have now. I personally think we will be fine as we have something others don't have . A good team that's a unit that plays a system they like.
Fear is often the biggest obstacle in playing in the prem . Can't see us suffering with that

 

[BladeFisher]

I lived through the 60s and 70s . We had no money then but competed through our tenacity and togetherness. This team now has that attitude . Burnley by your reckoning for example should by right have no chance of competing but do. All results are history as soon as a game is over. What lays ahead is yet to be written
You mention Currie Woodward as examples . What about your mathewson . Wagstaffs puntons and cliff. These were similar to what we have now. I personally think we will be fine as we have something others don't have . A good team that's a unit that plays a system they like.
Fear is often the biggest obstacle in playing in the prem . Can't see us suffering with that

No the real point of my posts is that the gulf in quality is now so big, much bigger than when watching in the 70's and 90's and sadly .... we haven't got it.

Warnock played with emotion and but for IMO the Hulse injury we would have stayed up (and there was the little matter of the FA's piss poor response to a certain player that season). Sadly lack of fear isn't good enough. Trying to think who'd be worse than us.

Mind if CW suddenly won the lottery aka from £20m to £50m might be a different story in the anticipating...

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I'll take 8 points from Villa and Norwich now

 

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No the real point of my posts is that the gulf in quality is now so big, much bigger than when watching in the 70's and 90's and sadly .... we haven't got it.

Warnock played with emotion and but for IMO the Hulse injury we would have stayed up (and there was the little matter of the FA's piss poor response to a certain player that season). Sadly lack of fear isn't good enough. Trying to think who'd be worse than us.

Mind if CW suddenly won the lottery aka from £20m to £50m might be a different story in the anticipating...

I still don't think throwing money at it is the be all. .Fulham threw huge amounts at it and were awful. They totally steam hollered out the heart of the promoted squad. The obsesson that unless we spend 80m we are doomed before we start is a ludicrous premise. We are a very good team that just needs a few tweaks . We were 2nd on merit . We can compete easily with 13 of the other 19 . Like fhose 13 the challenge is the talent on the top 6s bench all being worth more than our entire squad. Not better neccesarily just cost more. But if we are positive in our approach they will find us very awkward to subdue