Koeman has a Youth Policy, we don't, just now.

[Woodwardfan]

I'd tell you to stop doing this to yourself WWF but I don't think you would listen.

Can be hard work sometimes, I think I'll give it a rest. I suppose boorish behaviour is endemic on here and can't be tackled head on very easily, though I think I did make some progress.

What's it to do with me anyway?

 

[JordoBlade]

It's much more financially awarding for Prem clubs to give their young uns a run out. It increases their value with a few Premier League appearances even if they're not going to make it at that level. Sad but true....

 

[metalblade]

Can be hard work sometimes, I think I'll give it a rest. I suppose boorish behaviour is endemic on here and can't be tackled head on very easily, though I think I did make some progress.

What's it to do with me anyway?

Nope no progress made at all, you're still as boorish as ever.

 

[boo radley]

Wilder may.... oh wait, why am I even getting drawn in?
Oh and the we don't bit. Was it too much to actually be more controversial and actually say "Wilder does not".
He wouldn't tell someone like you anyway.

 

[Jon P]

Really?

To add fuel to the fire....is it really inconceivable that Wilders job might not be as safe as we think it is if we're bottom at Christmas next season.....hehe

 

[JJ Sefton]

I didn't say that.

I know, it's a question I asked.

 

[I should coco]

udging by the look of his youth against Liverpool on Saturday, he's either desperately short of players or playing them under orders.

Either way, I'm glad we're not repeating their policy.

I thought we got very good money for CDL who had shown some promise in a very poor Adkins team, but was a long way off being the finished article.

I have to say I've been amazed that Everton think he is currently good enough for the Premier and that he has played so many games (incl cups etc).

I watched most of Saturday's game and wasn't really surprised how little he was able to get into the game. He looked well off the pace (but so did Lukaku), and had negligible influence.

The lad may well still make a decent Prem player but looks a long way off at the moment. I can't for the life of me, understand why Koeman put him in.

Turning the OP's point back to the Blades, we MUST confirm promotion and then CW can play the kids, Myra Hyndley and ISIS youth for all I care.

Who is the more secure between Koeman and CW?
Who has the biggest willy?
If a tree falls in the woods, but there is no-one to hear it, does it make a sound?
Why are we here and is there an existential crisis loomimg ?

 

[Bayingblade]

Everton play young lads so that they can gain Premier League experience, three in the derby game last weekend.

We don't do that in League 1.

Who is right, who is wrong? Interesting question.

Is Koeman more secure in his job than Wilder?

I think it's all about our first big hurdle. I expect one or two youngsters to get in the side by merit next season.

I think things are different for Chris Wilder than Koeman, WWF. Wilder has a remit to get out of this division and his approach has been to use players who know and are proven at this level. With the best will in the world, you never know with a youngster. Koeman has the luxury of knowing Everton will not go down but neither will they make the top 4 so in some ways, the pressure is off.

What would be interesting is if we go up and get to a position in the second division where we are safe in mid table, Wilder begins to introduce some from the academy. For me, Whiteman and Brookes look the most likely but unfortunately, they are unlikely to displace the likes of Coutts, Fleck, Duffy or Carruthers. Even O'Shea may be ahead of them if he stays and that's without recruiting.

Having said all that, I watched some of the Liverpool game and DCL looked just as he did when he played for us - slow, ungainly, not particularly skilful, weak and totally out of his depth. Based on that performance, I doubt anyone would be offering £1M+ for him!

 

[Kenilworth]

I thought we got very good money for CDL who had shown some promise in a very poor Adkins team, but was a long way off being the finished article.

Still have 5 mins to edit Coco chap

 

[PeteBlade]

I bet Everton's youth players would love to play on our excellent Desso pitch that was worth every last penny we spent on it and which should be greatly applauded. By all.

*removes pin*

 

[Kenilworth]

Like most Prem clubs Everton's youth policy includes hoovering up the best young English talent from the clubs in the pyramid, below. It helps to keep their quota up.

Meanwhile, Sheffield United has a youth policy, as evidenced from the relative success of the U18 and U23 teams and the amount of players that go through our set up and go on to make a career in football.

Koeman has more money to make more varied choices. That has nowt to do with team selection. Like others have stated, how would we feel if inexperienced players were selected for a derby game? It's not just another 3 points. It just isn't (Robbo).

 

[DHeppenstall]

We aren't bringing enough black players through either.

Or Koreans

 

[mattbianco1]

If you're a mid-table prem team fair enough, when you're expected to win the league, no.

Fine balance too, play too many and you may lose 3-1 to your arch rivals and finish outside top 6/7.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Also let's not forget that Everton LOST to their main rival.
The fans will be down so Koeman has to think of a positive, any positive.

So he's gone for the "I'm preparing the players for the future", "Our young players are gaining invaluable experience" lines.

It's what a manager does when they are under pressure or have has a reallly dissapointing result.
None of this is applicable to Chris Wilder.

 

[Kev Gee]

I think the priority is to get out of this shithole of a league.... Everything else is secondary for now.

Whilst we are ever int his league then we will loose our better or younger prospects to teams higher up the pyramid.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Been there, got the T shirt. John Harris. Archie Clarke

We Had a great youth Policy in those dayS Sirius ( Clarke& Harris ) but pressure to succeed wasnt as strong the armosphere at matches was more relaxed.Getting relegated to the third division would not happen .The club new it was strong enough to bounce back quickly.Lifting of the maximum wage changed football forever as money became the driving force.pressure is a big killer for Young players ,they need to experience it but too much too soon hinders them rather than developes them.Its very rare to win things with kids

 

[Davalon]

I think the priority is to get out of this shithole of a league.... Everything else is secondary for now.

Whilst we are ever int his league then we will loose our better or younger prospects to teams higher up the pyramid.

That sounds almost logical

 

[BigBed]

Or female players, especially in forward positions!

 

[Esablade]

Everton play young lads so that they can gain Premier League experience, three in the derby game last weekend.

We don't do that in League 1.

Who is right, who is wrong? Interesting question.

Wilder is right. We're top of the League.

Is Koeman more secure in his job than Wilder?

Koeman is reportedly on around £6 million a year at the top end of one of the most high profile league's in the world...I 'd guess, despite your repeated calls for a ten year contract for Wilder and his team, you'd have to ask their respective chairmen.

I think it's all about our first big hurdle. I expect one or two youngsters to get in the side by merit next season.

The first big hurdle is getting out of League 1.
If any youngster's in the set up at United deserved to playing 'by merit', then they'd probably be playing now...unless you reckon Wilder is way out in his evaluation of the players available to him?

 

[Pierre's PC]

OP is becoming a Grandmaster Troll and this isn't even his final form.

 

[Pinchy]

Wilder is right. We're top of the League.



Koeman is reportedly on around £6 million a year at the top end of one of the most high profile league's in the world...I 'd guess, despite your repeated calls for a ten year contract for Wilder and his team, you'd have to ask their respective chairmen.



The first big hurdle is getting out of League 1.
If any youngster's in the set up at United deserved to playing 'by merit', then they'd probably be playing now...unless you reckon Wilder is way out in his evaluation of the players available to him?

Quite right. Whilst I appreciate the romantic ideal of having a team full of local lads sweeping all before them it's a pipe dream. It won't happen by wishing on a star.

There is no merit whatsoever in 'playing the kids' if the kids are not alright.

Tufty may well give one or two youngsters a cameo when we're confirmed as promoted. However, he's acutely conscious of team spirit and will realise that those who have done the job all season will not want to sit on the bench for the 'celebration games'. Nor should they. I want to applaud them, unless of course nerves get the better o

 

[larkymasher]

Evertons youth set up this season has spent £15m........... They spend money on lads at 18/19 years old who have 6 months to a year of developing to do to be ready for the first team. That said, think of the other 40 players in their youth development who will never play for the first team. In fact our very own U23s have had 3 Everton players in on trial over the last few weeks who have been very very poor.

What SUFC has done is sweep the board of players who will never make the transition to senior football. CW has only given players pro contracts if he sees a future benefit to his long term plans for the club.

For every 40 Everton young professionals we have Semple, Slater, Hallam, Graham, Ty Smith, Gilmoor, Jake Bennet, Brooks, Horatio Hirst.

These players are 16/17/18 years old playing U23s football. These lads will train with the first team every now and then, play with the 23s and go out on loan when the time is right. All with a view to being given a chance to be in our first team squad. Only when CW thinks they are ready and only if they are good enough. Young Semple was asked to go on loan this season to the conference at 17 years old. CW thought it was too early so he stayed with our 23s.

Some of these lads could be ready next season, some the season after, some may not be ready until they are 22 years old. Apart from the natural superstars, young players develop at different ages. If one is ready at 18 years old it doesn't necessarily mean he will be a bigger asset to one who will be ready at 21 years old.

This season has seen our youngsters progress nicely whilst our first team has dealt with the MOST important thing in getting out of this league.

I actually don't think we should see any youngsters chucked in before the end of the season whether we are up with a couple of games to go. CW has made it clear his first team squad is a close unit. He will want them to have a chance to play games without the pressure of the 44 game previously played.

As a big 18s, 23s watcher i genuinely think we have the best batch of youngsters coming through for many years. Lets give them the time and patience to become important players of our clubs future.

 

[sheffielder]

Everton play young lads so that they can gain Premier League experience, three in the derby game last weekend.

We don't do that in League 1.

Who is right, who is wrong? Interesting question.

Is Koeman more secure in his job than Wilder?

I think it's all about our first big hurdle. I expect one or two youngsters to get in the side by merit next season.

Which two?

 

[Pinchy]

Evertons youth set up this season has spent £15m........... They spend money on lads at 18/19 years old who have 6 months to a year of developing to do to be ready for the first team. That said, think of the other 40 players in their youth development who will never play for the first team. In fact our very own U23s have had 3 Everton players in on trial over the last few weeks who have been very very poor.

What SUFC has done is sweep the board of players who will never make the transition to senior football. CW has only given players pro contracts if he sees a future benefit to his long term plans for the club.

For every 40 Everton young professionals we have Semple, Slater, Hallam, Graham, Ty Smith, Gilmoor, Jake Bennet, Brooks, Horatio Hirst.

These players are 16/17/18 years old playing U23s football. These lads will train with the first team every now and then, play with the 23s and go out on loan when the time is right. All with a view to being given a chance to be in our first team squad. Only when CW thinks they are ready and only if they are good enough. Young Semple was asked to go on loan this season to the conference at 17 years old. CW thought it was too early so he stayed with our 23s.

Some of these lads could be ready next season, some the season after, some may not be ready until they are 22 years old. Apart from the natural superstars, young players develop at different ages. If one is ready at 18 years old it doesn't necessarily mean he will be a bigger asset to one who will be ready at 21 years old.

This season has seen our youngsters progress nicely whilst our first team has dealt with the MOST important thing in getting out of this league.

I actually don't think we should see any youngsters chucked in before the end of the season whether we are up with a couple of games to go. CW has made it clear his first team squad is a close unit. He will want them to have a chance to play games without the pressure of the 44 game previously played.

As a big 18s, 23s watcher i genuinely think we have the best batch of youngsters coming through for many years. Lets give them the time and patience to become important players of our clubs future.

Very sensible. Well said. I shall join you in celebrating when players of real talent come through to the first team on merit. Personally, I see no harm in one or two who have excelled this season [you know better than I who they are] being introduced for 15 minutes in the last couple of games. Like you, though, I think Tufty will be more concerned that those who have contributed to a fantastic season [Done, Clarke, Wilson for example] to take a bow. That can't be wrong.

 

[Pinchy]

Which two?

I saw two shooting stars last night
I wished on them but they were only satellites
Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?
I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Evertons youth set up this season has spent £15m........... They spend money on lads at 18/19 years old who have 6 months to a year of developing to do to be ready for the first team. That said, think of the other 40 players in their youth development who will never play for the first team. In fact our very own U23s have had 3 Everton players in on trial over the last few weeks who have been very very poor.

What SUFC has done is sweep the board of players who will never make the transition to senior football. CW has only given players pro contracts if he sees a future benefit to his long term plans for the club.

For every 40 Everton young professionals we have Semple, Slater, Hallam, Graham, Ty Smith, Gilmoor, Jake Bennet, Brooks, Horatio Hirst.

These players are 16/17/18 years old playing U23s football. These lads will train with the first team every now and then, play with the 23s and go out on loan when the time is right. All with a view to being given a chance to be in our first team squad. Only when CW thinks they are ready and only if they are good enough. Young Semple was asked to go on loan this season to the conference at 17 years old. CW thought it was too early so he stayed with our 23s.

Some of these lads could be ready next season, some the season after, some may not be ready until they are 22 years old. Apart from the natural superstars, young players develop at different ages. If one is ready at 18 years old it doesn't necessarily mean he will be a bigger asset to one who will be ready at 21 years old.

This season has seen our youngsters progress nicely whilst our first team has dealt with the MOST important thing in getting out of this league.

I actually don't think we should see any youngsters chucked in before the end of the season whether we are up with a couple of games to go. CW has made it clear his first team squad is a close unit. He will want them to have a chance to play games without the pressure of the 44 game previously played.

As a big 18s, 23s watcher i genuinely think we have the best batch of youngsters coming through for many years. Lets give them the time and patience to become important players of our clubs future.

Agree wiith you 100% larky done real promising youngsters coming through

 

[larkymasher]

Which two?

You are spot on pal.
There is not one of the youngsters ready to play week in week out. And why should they be ready at 18 years old.

I don't understand why people think that a promising youngster needs to be first team ready before they are 20 years old or that is they aren't they must be shit.....

The club is now in a fantastic position of being back in the championship and be in a position not to rush the young players and give them the time to develop.
We can't compare our youngsters with every teen superstar that pops up for another club !!

 

[sheffielder]

You are spot on pal.
There is not one of the youngsters ready to play week in week out. And why should they be ready at 18 years old.

I don't understand why people think that a promising youngster needs to be first team ready before they are 20 years old or that is they aren't they must be shit.....

The club is now in a fantastic position of being back in the championship and be in a position not to rush the young players and give them the time to develop.
We can't compare our youngsters with every teen superstar that pops up for another club !!

Looking from the outside in, I would say that there are a number of players that have rightly developed through the U23 and progressed to being loaned out (Whiteman, Wright) and some who will be loaned out this season.

The important thing for them is to be playing games. in the past we have players who didn't play and never developed. Whitehouse etc; spring to mind because under Wilson they spent more time on the bench (and not getting on) than getting games.

Let's face it, we are in the Championship now and players like Semple (when fit) Reed, Whiteman etc; are going to need game time and loans to local teams like Chesterfield, Rotherham and Doncaster for example will further aid their development.

As you say, it's not about getting them in the first team now, it's when they deserve it. They will only deserve it if they earn their spurs elsewhere though,

 

[larkymasher]

Looking from the outside in, I would say that there are a number of players that have rightly developed through the U23 and progressed to being loaned out (Whiteman, Wright) and some who will be loaned out this season.

The important thing for them is to be playing games. in the past we have players who didn't play and never developed. Whitehouse etc; spring to mind because under Wilson they spent more time on the bench (and not getting on) than getting games.

Let's face it, we are in the Championship now and players like Semple (when fit) Reed, Whiteman etc; are going to need game time and loans to local teams like Chesterfield, Rotherham and Doncaster for example will further aid their development.

As you say, it's not about getting them in the first team now, it's when they deserve it. They will only deserve it if they earn their spurs elsewhere though,

I agree with you

You are also spot on that with us being a championship club it means our young players can secure loan moves to L2, L1 clubs next season as apposed to conference or below. That in itself aids development.

It shows that if you have a winning first team in higher divisions it filters right through the club to the youth lads.

Even for a fist year pro, it now means so much more that they are first year pros at a championship club rather than L1. The young lads stock rises immediately.

 

[sheffielder]

I agree with you

You are also spot on that with us being a championship club it means our young players can secure loan moves to L2, L1 clubs next season as apposed to conference or below. That in itself aids development.

It shows that if you have a winning first team in higher divisions it filters right through the club to the youth lads.

Even for a fist year pro, it now means so much more that they are first year pros at a championship club rather than L1. The young lads stock rises immediately.

It's very easy for our resident non-experts to look at our youngsters and deem them not good enough without seeing them. Whiteman was one a few were writing off last year, and now look at him. His stock is high. I think Reed and Brook look to be the next. I know Wilder likes Reed (to the dismay of many on here) but it's not his ability which is at question. Slater looks to be on the same road as Reed was a few years ago, but that could quickly change.

I don't like the new loan system, as I don't think it suits the youngsters. I bet Wilder would have loved to have sent a few out last year to the 2nd division, but not from August to January or January to May. Send out for a few months and see how they get on without committing to a 6 month loan.

I don't see the youngsters at all, so I go on what I am told the expertise of parents and family. I know Manure were looking at Parkhouse, does he have a chance?