Kitson / Porter

[Darren]

12 goals in a season is not a brilliant strike rate but it’s not abysmal for a second striker whose primary role is to be the target man and bring others into the game.

You say it won’t get you promoted but the second top scoring strikers of Charlton, Wednesday and Huddersfield had 12, 12 and 13 goals respectively last season.

It’s quite rare for United to have two strikers scoring more than 10 goals each. I would guess it’s only happened once or twice in the last 20 years.

Go, on then:

Last 20 years, strikers only, league goals only:

94-95: Blake 17, Veart 11
96-97: Katchuoro 12, Walker 12, Taylor 11, Fjortoft 10
97-98 Deane 11, Taylor 10, Saunders 10
99-00 Bent 15, Smith 10
09-10 Cresswell 12, Henderson 12

(and possibly 05-06 Shipperley 11, Webber 10, depending on whether you give teh 2nd at Burnley to Webber or Morgan)

So thats 5 (or 6) times in 20 years

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Go, on then:

Last 20 years, strikers only, league goals only:

94-95: Blake 17, Veart 11
96-97: Katchuoro 12, Walker 12, Taylor 11, Fjortoft 10
97-98 Deane 11, Taylor 10, Saunders 10
99-00 Bent 15, Smith 10
09-10 Cresswell 12, Henderson 12

(and possibly 05-06 Shipperley 11, Webber 10, depending on whether you give teh 2nd at Burnley to Webber or Morgan)

So thats 5 (or 6) times in 20 years

Thanks Darren. A few more than I thought then, fair enough.
Those stats also kind of support my feeling that 12 goals is a decent return for a supporting striker.

 

[Racy]

Thanks Darren. A few more than I thought then, fair enough.
Those stats also kind of support my feeling that 12 goals is a decent return for a supporting striker.

Ok but Porter aint got a chance of double figures

 

[Putney Blade]

Shock, why the fuck do you watch Utd ?

Certainly not for the likes of Porter & Flynn; assuming DW is given some dosh to bring in fresh talent, I bet you these two will be sitting out games. Why do you think they have never achieved anything in football? They are crap. It is embarrassing we have them.

 

[Foxy]

We've no option to keep him as a squad player but if we can get Kitson alongside Blackman and Miller the goals will come.

Kitson
Played - 307 (58)
Scored - 117
GPG - 0.32

Porter
Played - 201 (86)
Scored - 84
GPG - 0.29

Blackman
Played - 56 (29)
Scored - 24
GPG - 0.28

Miller
Played - 116 (60)
Scored - 42
GPG - 0.23

League only.

Whilst I take the point that Kitson, Miller and Blackman are all more capable of creating something out of nothing. Give Porter some chances and he will score.

 

[Bladesway]

Kitson
Played - 307 (58)
Scored - 117
GPG - 0.32

Porter
Played - 201 (86)
Scored - 84
GPG - 0.29

Blackman
Played - 56 (29)
Scored - 24
GPG - 0.28

Miller
Played - 116 (60)
Scored - 42
GPG - 0.23

League only.

Whilst I take the point that Kitson, Miller and Blackman are all more capable of creating something out of nothing. Give Porter some chances and he will score.

Wasting your keyboard foxy. The die is already cast. Our third division players being paid third division wages arent quite Messi or ronaldo. we are clearly all doomed.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

porters a big useless lump, but like others have said our strikers get no service. if we actually got balls into the right areas, he would score. hes more likely to score than cofie and cresswell, not much doubt about that.

 

[alcoblade]

Flynn gets stick because he can't do 100m in 25 seconds?

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, it is possible to be critical (on a discussion forum) of what you consider is our weakest link before joining the ranks of the slashers / haters of the club.

All the players get my support on matchdays. I give far more that the 99.5% of cardboard cutouts that surround me, who's only noise is to complain about the atmosphere.

UTB

 

[Bladesway]

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, it is possible to be critical (on a discussion forum) of what you consider is our weakest link before joining the ranks of the slashers / haters of the club.

All the players get my support on matchdays. I give far more that the 99.5% of cardboard cutouts that surround me, who's only noise is to complain about the atmosphere.

UTB

Criticism maybe, but constantly getting on the guys back and having to have a scapegoat isn't constructive. We are where we are and while its third division football it going to be third rate players with the odd gem being sold as soon as we shine.

 

[Racy]

Criticism maybe, but constantly getting on the guys back and having to have a scapegoat isn't constructive. We are where we are and while its third division football it going to be third rate players with the odd gem being sold as soon as we shine.

I don't think Porter is the scapegoat the original post asked Kitson or Porter first choice Kitson surely.

Porter is ok to have on the bench or for an injury crisis but I would like to see young Ironside in the picture.

You don't reckon some players read.these posts do you? I hope not

 

[Revolution]

For the sake of comparison, here's what these players have done at the Lane. Again, league only:

Kitson
Played - 7(3)
Scored - 3
GPG - 0.3

Porter
Played - 26 (21)
Scored - 6
GPG - 0.13

Blackman
Played - 22
Scored - 9 (including penalties)
GPG - 0.41

Miller
Played - 5 (8)
Scored - 3
GPG - 0.23

Small sample size of course, but Porter is way off his career scoring rate.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

For the sake of comparison, here's what these players have done at the Lane. Again, league only:

Kitson
Played - 7(3)
Scored - 3
GPG - 0.3

Porter
Played - 26 (21)
Scored - 6
GPG - 0.13

Blackman
Played - 22
Scored - 9 (including penalties)
GPG - 0.41

Miller
Played - 5 (8)
Scored - 3
GPG - 0.23

Small sample size of course, but Porter is way off his career scoring rate.

I don't think it's fair or accurate to count subs appearances as full games.
Particularly given Danny's penchant for bringing players on with 5 minutes left.
It would be more realistic to count subs appearances as 0.25 of a game (average of 22 minutes).
Which gives us:-

Name Started... .Sub......Games...... Goals.... GPG
Kitson ..........7 .........3...........7.75 ..............3..... 0.39
Porter ........26 .......21.........31.25...............6..... 0.19
Blackman .....22 ........0..........22.00............. 9......0.41
Miller ...........5 .........8............7.00............. 3......0.43

 

[alcoblade]

Criticism maybe, but constantly getting on the guys back and having to have a scapegoat isn't constructive.

But who / what are you referring to? Me? I'm surrounded by moaners, but I don't hear any vocal criticism of Flynn - just a widely held belief that he's a bit of a weak link. Disagreement with that standpoint is one thing, but let's not turn that into something it's not.

Quinn got lots of verbal stick at times despite being a much better player, acknowledged by professionals throughout the game. Now that was unfair treatment - I don't see anything wrong with the treatment of Flynn thus far.


UTB

 

[Grecian2000]

Quinn got lots of verbal stick at times despite being a much better player, acknowledged by professionals throughout the game. Now that was unfair treatment - I don't see anything wrong with the treatment of Flynn thus far.
UTB

Ahh, but whenever anyone is given any form of criticism they immediately become the "scapegoat" on here.
Perhaps it's peoples use of the word "scapegoat" that is the problem rather than any the criticism that is being offerred (at the match or in print). Perhaps if more people really knew what a "scapegoat" was it wouldn't be used in every fucking thread where anyone at all is not praised to the hilt!!!


For what it's worth:

scapegoatnoun
/ˈskeɪp.gəʊt/

/-goʊt/n[C]
Definition
a person who is blamed for something that someone else has done

NB: I am not saying that the criticism that Flynn, Porter, McMahon, Quinn, Denis Longhorn, Steve F . . . etc. is justified, but they are not, and never have been, fucking "scapegoats".

There I feel better for that.

 

[JohnDenver]

NB: I am not saying that the criticism that Flynn, Porter, McMahon, Quinn, Denis Longhorn, Steve F . . . etc. is justified, but they are not, and never have been, fucking "scapegoats".

So you're to blame then. Now I get it...

 

[Barney Rubble]

Ahh, but whenever anyone is given any form of criticism they immediately become the "scapegoat" on here.
Perhaps it's peoples use of the word "scapegoat" that is the problem rather than any the criticism that is being offerred (at the match or in print). Perhaps if more people really knew what a "scapegoat" was it wouldn't be used in every fucking thread where anyone at all is not praised to the hilt!!!


For what it's worth:

scapegoatnoun
/ˈskeɪp.gəʊt/

/-goʊt/n[C]
Definition
a person who is blamed for something that someone else has done

NB: I am not saying that the criticism that Flynn, Porter, McMahon, Quinn, Denis Longhorn, Steve F . . . etc. is justified, but they are not, and never have been, fucking "scapegoats".

There I feel better for that.

Yes they are. McCabe fucked the club up but people keep saying its Porters and Flynns fault.