Kevin McCabe on David Brooks

[Cerberus Blade]

So Kev's a least changed his stance slightly. He's gone from big club a calling to big dog.

He's barking mad that's why!

 

[Sheffsteel]

I disagree entirely. I think Brooks has to be talked about in the same bracket as the two of them, he's more talented than both.

In an earlier post you said 'pay him a realistic wage to keep him happy at the club", you suggested £2K a week for starters.
On face value I agree and it seems fair.

My point is I would think during negotiations his agent may say.
Paying him £20K over 4 years is a 4 million pound commitment.
If the experts predict that he'll be a £10 million player then £20K a week = 4 million is areasonable investment and the club would be in profit.

Should we make a player whos never played league football the highest paid player at the club? His cv shows a few matches played for Halifax Town in the non league so it would be total madness to pay him £5K never mind £20K.

But the really perverse thing is that PL clubs are so rich, there may be a club willing to gamble and offer him £20K a week just based on his huge potential. We can't hope to compete with that.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Alright...

Look what you have done ,cannot we just enjoy the lad and his performances,you knew the reaction you would get by posting the quote

 

[Woodwardfan]

I disagree entirely. I think Brooks has to be talked about in the same bracket as the two of them, he's more talented than both.

The three of them actually.

 

[stringer]

Look what you have done ,cannot we just enjoy the lad and his performances,you knew the reaction you would get by posting the quote

This is a SUFC messageboard to discuss United, is it not?

 

[Cutbush City Limits]

I do find this all a bit odd. To my understanding, the process is:-

1. Club A has player who is under contract to them
2. If Club B wish to sign said player, they have to agree a fee with Club A BEFORE they can talk to that player - failure to do this is against all rules

That means that regardless of how much Club B wants to pay Brooks in wages WE are in control of the situation. We either say Not For Sale or we decide on a valuation.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

This is a SUFC messageboard to discuss United, is it not?

Sorry i forgot to put in at the end of my other post,you little tinker,i hope that gets across what i was meaning to say

 

[Slim Man]

In an earlier post you said 'pay him a realistic wage to keep him happy at the club", you suggested £2K a week for starters.

My point is I would think during negotiations his agent may say.
Paying him £20K over 4 years is a 4 million pound commitment.
If the experts predict that he'll be a £10 million player then £20K a week = 4 million eems reasonable investment and the club would be in profit.

Should we make a player who's hardly ever played any league football the highest paid player at the club?

I didn't suggest anything at all in terms of figures?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Should we make a player who's hardly ever played any league football the highest paid player at the club?

If he's the next Tony Currie then of course he should be the highest paid player at the club. However, as I said in an earlier post we have to stick him in the team first and play him. It won't require many games to see if he has the gold dust or not. If he's the real deal then he has to be paid accordingly if we want to keep him. Simple as that.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Look how much of a pain in the arse it has been for us (a side in a higher division) to sign Southend's Ryan Leonard and Charlton's Ricky Holmes.
We'd obviously up their wages significantly.

It's fucking easy to say 'no they aren't for sale' you buffoon.
I wish he'd fuck off with the 'you can't say no' bullshit - yes you fucking well can. Southend have with us. If that was us we'd have accepted the first offer.

Absolutely 100% correct.

When is McCabe going to realise that his business model of making a profit on player sales every season since we left the Prem has been a total disaster?

That and his disastrous hiring and firing of managers has cost us dearly.

Now...we've got a chance. A bloody good chance as well. A good manager, a talented team of football players and a real motivation around the place for the first time in ages. Hold onto Brooks and he will increase in value ten-fold over the next season. And he may well even push us on to the Prem.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

So McCabe wants us to get youth players into first team. He says this every year but he sells them once 1m+ offer comes in...

 

[Slim Man]

Absolutely 100% correct.

When is McCabe going to realise that his business model of making a profit on player sales every season since we left the Prem has been a total disaster?

That and his disastrous hiring and firing of managers has cost us dearly.

Now...we've got a chance. A bloody good chance as well. A good manager, a talented team of football players and a real motivation around the place for the first time in ages. Hold onto Brooks and he will increase in value ten-fold over the next season. And he may well even push us on to the Prem.

At his rate of development there is no way to know where his potential stops. He really is that good.

This would be the worst decision of McCabe's entire tenure to sell Brooks for anything less than £7mil with a 25% sell on fee.

 

[Slim Man]

So McCabe wants us to get youth players into first team. He says this every year but he sells them once 1m+ offer comes in...

Is it him who sprouted the 'pathway for youth' myth?
This must be what he meant

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Exactly. The thing with Brooks too is he was part of an academy before at City and got thrown on the scrapheap when we picked him up.
I think he'll have a bit of loyalty towards us and maybe even wouldn't fancy the idea of going back into an elite academy/development team again after being burnt.

If we accept an offer though he hasn't got a choice. And we've set a precedent for ourselves.

Why does he talk to the media? Every time he does he puts his foot clean in his gob. He's got so many Partridgeisms - 'big dog' is a great one.

reminiscent of Trump and his tweets

 

[Jonboy60]

I understand it's difficult to stand in a player's way if one of the big boys comes knocking, even if it would be better for their development to stay with us a bit longer. The one thing I can't get my head round is when we undervalue our talent.

Yes we mugged off a few teams with the likes of Jordan Slew, but if Ademola Lookman can be sold for £11 million, i'd expect nothing less than that for Brooks who if anything has been the more impressive player at least on the International stage. Sadly I think £3 million would be pushing it which is peanuts in today's market.

But as lookman got a sell on clause. That's what we have to weigh up. £3mill with a sell on clause, or between £7/10 mill total, full stop.

 

[Billyblade]

It's easy
"He's not for sale"
Big club - "How about 5m?"
"He's not for sale"
Big club - "How about 7.5m?"
"He's not for sale"
"How about 10m?"
"Ok, let's talk"


Not
"We can't make them stay"
"Would you take 750k rising to a million?"
"OK"

 

[Jonboy60]

Think of McCabe as Arkwright ......... if someone comes in the shop he is gonna sell em sumat

Hhhhhhhhho-hhhow mmmmmmmmuc-ch.

 

[Weasel]

Absolutely 100% correct.

When is McCabe going to realise that his business model of making a profit on player sales every season since we left the Prem has been a total disaster?

That and his disastrous hiring and firing of managers has cost us dearly.

Now...we've got a chance. A bloody good chance as well. A good manager, a talented team of football players and a real motivation around the place for the first time in ages. Hold onto Brooks and he will increase in value ten-fold over the next season. And he may well even push us on to the Prem.

Spot on.

 

[Harry's Game]

If Brooks is still here on the second of September 2017 I will be very surprised.

I just hope for once we get proper "Walcott" level money at the very least, I am not holding my breath though however.

 

[Rodley]

I don't know who allows him to talk to the media, it never helps. Basically any premier league side will look at that and say they can pick him up cheap. What McCabe needs to say is that we will not sell cheap and we will fight to keep all young players

In answer to McCabe: I don't think anyone ever expects to keep every young player but protect ourselves better:
1) Give them a good, but realistic contract with a decent duration. Give them regular new contracts when they reach milestones and games targets.
2) Set his price exceptionally high, beyond a level which makes it "small change". 5-10 Million will do as a baseline, even if they're not currently worth that.
3) Put a sell on clause of 10% into any deal (which in fairness has been done for the past few years)

Its very easy to buy from United. We need to make that a little more difficult.

Agreed, whoevers doing the PR at BDTBL needs shooting.

 

[Tyler Durden]

There's a fans forum coming up on 4th August. I suggest that all those who take issue with what's been said put their grievances to McCabe directly.

I have no strong feeling either way, but raising things to the ownership/management directly when the opportunity arises is a far more productive use of time than merely pouting on a football messageboard.

 

[LSF]

Agreed, whoevers doing the PR at BDTBL needs shooting.

HR Media, office on Shoreham Street. You just need the gun now....

 

[Jonboy60]

The pigs have considerably more money than us.

Anyone else read that, and think of a harry Enfield sketch with a brummie accent.

 

[Rodley]

There's a fans forum coming up on 4th August. I suggest that all those who take issue with what's been said put their grievances to McCabe directly.

I have no strong feeling either way, but raising things to the ownership/management directly when the opportunity arises is a far more productive use of time than merely pouting on a football messageboard.

Agree and clearly reading the article the quote is from some time ago.

 

[Dronfield Blade]

Pigs wouldn't sell any of their best players period. That's a fact.

Chansiri certainly wouldn't embarrass himself trotting this shite out that Kev has this afternoon.

It is very well known that Chansiri pays his players very good money and his players have achieved the grand total of fucking nothing.

I would argue that it is more a case of clubs not wanting to pay losers (that is essentially what they are) the same as what Chansiri is paying them, albeit Westwood does look like a very talented keeper and a premiership club may fancy paying him more than he currently earns at the sty.

It's worth noting that Chansiri could not even sit and hold an English speaking conversation with the local paper/ radio station. so, I'm thankful that Kev can at least has some form of communication with the fans.

One last note, if only the pig's academy would have produced any sort of talent in the past 10 years, would there be a case for an argument, but the fact they haven't produced anything that has sparked the interest of any premiership club speaks volumes about their academy VS ours. They have not been tested with the "dilemma" of keeping a youth player vs selling him for £££.

Only one football club in this city creates talent the other produces nothing.

like the article say's "who'd be a chairman"

 

[SwissBlade]

There's a fans forum coming up on 4th August. I suggest that all those who take issue with what's been said put their grievances to McCabe directly.

I have no strong feeling either way, but raising things to the ownership/management directly when the opportunity arises is a far more productive use of time than merely pouting on a football messageboard.

I would but i'm away as ever. No problem with the job McCabe does, just speaking in public he speaks too freely about things like this

 

[sheffielder]

Serious question for Kev - if a Prem team offer Brooks £20K a week, we would have to sell him ??

We would because I am sure we won't be matching those wages. It's ok everyone says w shouldn't sell out but these players are getting offered silly money. So you can either stay at the Lane and earn £1k or go to Everton and earn 10k. Your move Brooks...

 

[Maidenhead]

McCabe, although ideally he wouldn't have commented publicly, hasn't said anything any sane person doesn't already know and it's all true.

Some of the forum negotiation experts are cringing. Make it all sound so simple.

He also wasn't speaking specifically about Brooks.

The interviewer is referring back to an interview he did previously, before Brooks hit the spotlight.

The truth is often unpalatable which is why those without the courage to face it look for solace in whinging, moaning or blaming others rather than accept the inevitable.

 

[sheffielder]

“In many ways [promotion has eased pressure of selling youngsters]. But the truth is until you are back in the Premier League, if a Premier League club comes along and wants one of your players... if someone can give me the answer of how you keep them. I think most supporters realise that our desire is not to sell a David Brooks - obviously a youngster with immense talent - or a Dominic Calvert-Lewin. But when the big dog comes knocking...”

www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/danny-hall-sheffield-united-s-david-brooks-is-a-young-man-of-few-words-but-immense-potential-1-8658586

Stop with the links. Can I ask what question Kevin was answering?

 

[Weasel]

Blades fans of all fans should understand these facts of life by now. And by the way SWFC cannot keep hold of Hirst if a big club comes in for him.

I think it's fair to say that every Utd gan knows the financial facts of life in football and most accept the realities of it all.

I won't have any issue with the Board at tbe Lane if an offer ca me in for any of our players and it was just too.good to turn down. It happens.

What does get my goat a bit is when we have the owner telling us all about the financial facts of football life and that if a big dog comes calling we will can't keep our most promising youngsters. It's not any potential future sale...it's the fact that McCabe has to speak about it in the first place. Yes...we know he will go if he's a real player...bit can our owners not publically admit this in the media. Talk about advertising the lad is potentially for sale. He shouldn't even be entertaining such talk and just batting it away with a 'there no bid in so nothing to talk about' comment.