Kevin McCabe on David Brooks

[shrubbery]

What a prick.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Some experts on here, probabky never run a business in there lives but know how to do it from their armchairs, I reckon if some of you were sat in a room and discussed it ( sensibly) with mccabe instead of slagging him off I reckon the majority would come out of the meeting with a different view. Or even better he appoints you to overlook all transfers and more importantly budgets.

 

[Slim Man]

Some experts on here, probabky never run a business in there lives but know how to do it from their armchairs, I reckon if some of you were sat in a room and discussed it ( sensibly) with mccabe instead of slagging him off I reckon the majority would come out of the meeting with a different view. Or even better he appoints you to overlook all transfers and more importantly budgets.

He could just appoint Ron Martin from Southend.

 

[Esablade]

Big Kev need big wig...

 

[SwissBlade]

There's a contradiction between points 1 and 2.
If the club set a valuation of 5 to 10 million then surely the agent will argue and produce figures proving he's worth £20K a week.

Are you suggesting we pay him £20K a week over 4 years?
That's 4.1 million, which seems a bargain if we believe he's a £10 million pound player.

One could argue paying Brooks £20K a week is a worthwhile investment but how would that make the other players feel? Will Fleck then demand £20K a week?

No i'm not suggesting that at all. If our top earner is on 10k, lets say that is Billy Sharp and Fleck.

Brooks needs to be paid in line with the pay scale that we have at the club. But also Brooks needs to be paid accordingly to what he is - a young player with potential. Perhaps 2k, but how quickly he then reaches the 10k and above is then up to him, but also the division we're in.

I'll answer the value point below

Exactly. All this 'we can't keep em if a big club comes calling' shit gets on my goat. Yes we know that is the case, most of us do live on planet Earth, but for once can we get to the second date before we drop our little spangly knickers and get royally humped by a higher division team. Tell any potential suitors that he's not available for any price shy of £10m. Let them cough up the money or go forth and multiply.

People might scoff at that figure but with the clear potential he has he could be a real player for us for half a decade and still be a relative pup. £10m in't a lot of money in the premier league these days. McCabe should hold his tongue or tell the media that he isn't for sale and if he was to go it would be for a fortune. A couple of million to a prem league team is pocket change.

The value that we put on the player does not have to be the value of the player. A Players value is whatever someone is willing to pay. Similarly, the value can also be the Value that the selling club places on him. Gary Lineker commented that Kyle Walker, a full back is not worth 50 million. However, the value is set by Spurs.

It is entirely in Brooks' interest to ensure that IF he is to be sold, then he is sold for as much as possible. His stock has risen considerably since being released by Man City in his teens. So he doesn't have to request a transfer, speak to the press etc, he just needs to have faith that Sheff United will get a good deal out of it too.

We can negotiate from a stronger position now we're in the Championship, we're not 3rd tier anymore so lets not behave that way.

Wilder needs to come out and set things straight about Brooks. That we're not considering selling and any bid will need to be "proper moneh" to even consider it.

 

[Slim Man]

It's the sad post-Bosman reality I'm afraid.

Even if we get in the Prem it won't stop. Everton couldn't hold onto Lukaku.

They let him go on THEIR terms, for £75 fucking million!!
Comparing what we'll get for Brooks and what they did for Lukaku is absurd. It'd be like throwing a deckchair off the Titanic.

He wanted to leave last year and he got a big fuck off tablet.

Even if Brooks left on a bosman we'd get compo.

 

[Boxer Blade]

He could just appoint Ron Martin from Southend.

Danny I realise what you are saying but people make it sound so easy, it isn't and you know that

 

[Weasel]

I might generally take great delight in laughing at the porkers and love to make fun of them. What i will say about them to their credit is that I've yet to see a comment made in the media where Tuna Man has told the Wendy fans that 'we can't compete ane keep young Hirst if a premier club comes calling'? In fact it seems that they have already told Everton to go away when they started sniffin round young Thirsty. I will give em credit for that. OK if another prem club comes in for a young grunter then they too might have to sell, but it's just typical McCabe when the lad hasn't even started playing for us yet....and the white flag is being dug out of the box and readied to be hoisted up the mast.

McCabe is his own worst enemy at times. Just grow some balls pal...and this is coming from someone who is eternally grateful for him in saving us when we were in the shit.

 

[Slim Man]

Danny I realise what you are saying but people make it sound so easy, it isn't and you know that

Correct is isn't, but there's really no excuse for selling him. We have had a flow of income this summer unlike anything we've seen recently with sell on fees and promotion.

For the record too, it wasn't the sales of the 3 aforementioned players that annoyed me so much but the price we got for them. Look how much Charlton got for Lookman and DCL played a LOT more than him last year.

 

[Slim Man]

I might generally take great delight in laughing at the porkers and love to make fun of them. What i will say about them to their credit is that I've yet to see a comment made in the media where Tuna Man has told the Wendy fans that 'we can't compete ane keep young Hirst if a premier club comes calling'? In fact it seems that they have already told Everton to go away when they started sniffin round young Thirsty. I will give em credit for that. OK if another prem club comes in for a young grunter then they too might have to sell, but it's just typical McCabe when the lad hasn't even started playing for us yet....and the white flag is being dug out of the box and readied to be hoisted up the mast.

McCabe is his own worst enemy at times. Just grow some balls pal...and this is coming from someone who is eternally grateful for him in saving us when we were in the shit.

Pigs wouldn't sell any of their best players period. That's a fact.

Chansiri certainly wouldn't embarrass himself trotting this shite out that Kev has this afternoon.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Correct is isn't, but there's really no excuse for selling him. We have had a flow of income this summer unlike anything we've seen recently with sell on fees and promotion.

For the record too, it wasn't the sales of the 3 aforementioned players that annoyed me so much but the price we got for them. Look how much Charlton got for Lookman and DCL played a LOT more than him last year.

More than anything I want him to play for us for at least a couple of seasons so I can enjoy watching him before the inevitable sale at which point I hope it is a deal we can all at say with shoulders shrugged at least the fee we have received is brilliant

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

McCabe, although ideally he wouldn't have commented publicly, hasn't said anything any sane person doesn't already know and it's all true.

Some of the forum negotiation experts are cringing. Make it all sound so simple.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Pigs wouldn't sell any of their best players period. That's a fact.

Chansiri certainly wouldn't embarrass himself trotting this shite out that Kev has this afternoon.

The pigs have considerably more money than us.

 

[Slim Man]

McCabe, although ideally he wouldn't have commented publicly, hasn't said anything any sane person doesn't already know and it's all true.

Some of the forum negotiation experts are cringing. Make it all sound so simple.

The thing is though, when you've just recieved £7mil in unexpected money and gained promotion - it really is.

 

[Esablade]

The thing is though, when you've just recieved £7mil in unexpected money and gained promotion - it really is.

..but another million quid or so and neither Princey nor McCabe have to 'sub' the club this year

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

The thing is though, when you've just recieved £7mil in unexpected money and gained promotion - it really is.

Course it is.

 

[Revolution]

I might generally take great delight in laughing at the porkers and love to make fun of them. What i will say about them to their credit is that I've yet to see a comment made in the media where Tuna Man has told the Wendy fans that 'we can't compete ane keep young Hirst if a premier club comes calling'? In fact it seems that they have already told Everton to go away when they started sniffin round young Thirsty. I will give em credit for that. OK if another prem club comes in for a young grunter then they too might have to sell, but it's just typical McCabe when the lad hasn't even started playing for us yet....and the white flag is being dug out of the box and readied to be hoisted up the mast.

McCabe is his own worst enemy at times. Just grow some balls pal...and this is coming from someone who is eternally grateful for him in saving us when we were in the shit.

I hate giving Wednesday credit but over the years I have heard the phrase "he's not for sale" come from them on a number of occasions. Most recently this was said of Westwood. United never say this.

Even if it's not true, it's part of getting a good deal.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I hate giving Wednesday credit but over the years I have heard the phrase "he's not for sale" come from them on a number of occasions. Most recently this was said of Westwood. United never say this.

Even if it's not true, it's part of getting a good deal.

You have only heard that since Chansiri was in charge,they were a selling club,just like us before his arrival

 

[Slim Man]

Course it is.

Why isn't it then?

You give Brooks a new contract based on what he's done so far in his development and a very impressive pre season. Based on the assumption that he's going to be at the very least on the cusp of the first team next year.

He's happy, at least for the season where we can watch him develop and enjoy him before the inevitable sale to a top side.

I know we're a selling club but I'd rather we turned into one with a bit of a backbone. It's all a bit boring hyping these youngsters up to see them never even play a first team game.

 

[Revolution]

You have only heard that since Chansiri was in charge,they were a selling club,just like us before his arrival

No, they've done that with other players over the years, stretching back to their PL days.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

No, they've done that with other players over the years, stretching back to their PL days.

No they have sold players,just like we have over the years

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I can, I said we'd have accepted the first offer.

DCL was a regular for Everton last year.
Ramsdale after a few games could be worth a shit tonne of money - Pickford has just gone for 30 mil.
Adams has just been subject of a rejected bid of 5mil from Fulham.

We always get fucked over in terms of young talent. All are worth more now than we sold them for last year. Anything above a million and we seem to consider it a good deal.

If we sold Brooks we'd sell him for miles under his worth cos we're behind the curve when it comes to the modern day market.

For every Kyle Walker there's a Jordan Slew !

I agree that we seem to undersell, and other youngsters seem to go for higher amounts but potential is impossible to put a price on, I can remember a few years ago, Connor Brown was considered a better prospect than both Kyle's yet where is he now.

We are well down the food chain and nothing will change re selling young players, it's not an SUFC thing, it's not Kevin McCabe, it's modern football.

Who knows, we may well have 'held fast' and turned down a decent fee for the great Diego a few years ago ?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Why isn't it then?

You give Brooks a new contract based on what he's done so far in his development and a very impressive pre season. Based on the assumption that he's going to be at the very least on the cusp of the first team next year.

He's happy, at least for the season where we can watch him develop and enjoy him before the inevitable sale to a top side.

I know we're a selling club but I'd rather we turned into one with a bit of a backbone. It's all a bit boring hyping these youngsters up to see them never even play a first team game.

well if you can presume all those things I'll have go.

Brooks and his agent might be happy letting his contract run down, good early season start and he's on the radar of all major clubs.

He sees the money being thrown about and what other youngsters are achieving at top clubs. SUFC can't compete.

SUFC have to cover themselves, so when Brook indicates he has no intention of committing long term do we let the contract expire and get a pittance at tribunal and have fans criticise or get a fair price when his value whilst with is it at its peak.

 

[Revolution]

No they have sold players,just like we have over the years

Yes, of course, but you hear them play hardball more often. They make clear statements that certain players are not for sale. Even the Allen regime did this.

 

[Slim Man]

For every Kyle Walker there's a Jordan Slew !

I agree that we seem to undersell, and other youngsters seem to go for higher amounts but potential is impossible to put a price on, I can remember a few years ago, Connor Brown was considered a better prospect than both Kyle's yet where is he now.

We are well down the food chain and nothing will change re selling young players, it's not an SUFC thing, it's not Kevin McCabe, it's modern football.

Who knows, we may well have 'held fast' and turned down a decent fee for the great Diego a few years ago ?

We'd have heard about it.

If there's ever rumours about our players going - they get sold. That's how we do things.

 

[Ivanhoe]

It may not be Kev's decision alone to make.. !!

 

[snootyfenooty]

If the lad is as good as he's made out to be he should be in the first team and playing. None of this loaning out shit. Currie and Walker were in the first team at 18 and bossed it from day 1. If he's not in the team on August 5th then he's not good enough, or the management at the Lane don't know what they're talking about. I don't know because I haven't seen the lad in a full league game yet so i'll hold my counsel.

The only thing United have to do is hold onto him for another couple weeks until the season is underway and stick him in the team. We'll then have a better idea and the club will know which way to go. It's the only way this can be sorted out.

 

[Slim Man]

well if you can presume all those things I'll have go.

Brooks and his agent might be happy letting his contract run down, good early season start and he's on the radar of all major clubs.

He sees the money being thrown about and what other youngsters are achieving at top clubs. SUFC can't compete.

SUFC have to cover themselves, so when Brook indicates he has no intention of committing long term do we let the contract expire and get a pittance at tribunal and have fans criticise or get a fair price when his value whilst with is it at its peak.

We never get a fair price.

 

[Large Mendonca]

We could just give him a deserved improved contract now.
Based on his performances for England and us in pre season his development deserves reward.
Bring him closer in line with the first team, make him feel valued.

I agree. I also thought of an answer to my question as i was walking the dog - if it was written into his contract as a release clause, he would go for whatever triggered the release.

 

[Weasel]

McCabe, although ideally he wouldn't have commented publicly, hasn't said anything any sane person doesn't already know and it's all true.

Some of the forum negotiation experts are cringing. Make it all sound so simple.

Well perhaps McCabe could learn something from some of the 'forum experts' then. If i was going to sell my house and it was a real nice one and would be probably be worth a lot more in the future, unless I was seriously in the shit financially, I wouldnt just sell to the first fella who knocked on my door and told me he would pay me a few grand extra. Who knows, I might politely tell him to go away knowing that I will either continue to live in my nice house, until I decide it's time to sell up, or the knocking man comes back and gives me an offer i can't refuse. Unless i want to sell i dont go and advertise my house in the local property guide. Madness I know.

Yes the lad will want to make his money from the game, and yes I think it is only a matter of time before we do let him go...but it is possible to say no to the first offer. Blimey my missus doesn't always say yes to my initial amorous advances on a Saturday night...sometimes I even have to raise my offer and throw in a curry and a few beers for her. She certainly doesn't just say 'well you would pester me until I said yes so I've accepted your first enquiry as it was all inevitable...'

Bottom line, McCabe should keep his gob shut and try not to hang a 'for sale' sign round the young uns shoulders.