Kevin McCabe on David Brooks

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Which part do you find 'ludicrous' ?

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I think that's possibly why, in the past, when these kind of bids have come in he's quite "philosophical"...'million or so quid for some kid who's barely kicked ball, yes please'.

It's not about some esoteric valuation of a player it is about hard cash. We spunk several million pounds of it every year and so if someone comes and offers daft money for a kid, we snatch their hand off.
 

It's an opinion on a football forum full of people's opinions, not 'the truth'.

...but what with you being 'Kev's bessie mate' perhaps you could enlighten us on the process and the 'truth'?

P.S- which part specifically, do you find 'highly unlikely' ?
That he either doesn't ask his manager what the value of the player he's going to sell is, or that he does but ignores it.
 
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It's not about some esoteric valuation of a player it is about hard cash. We spunk several million pounds of it every year and so if someone comes and offers daft money for a kid, we snatch their hand off.


Yep, I stated that that it's about hard cash:

just concentrates on sorting his budget and how much he want's to sub the club by.

So I guess it's the term 'snatch their hand off' specifically, that you find 'ludicrous', is that it?

..how would describe the sales of our academy talent?
 
Been there done that. all that will happen is what happened previously a lot of truisms about "no bigger Blade" "Premier League Ambitions" yadda yadda... ending up in a round of applause and pats on the back for Kev and threats and comments for those trying to ask the big questions such as "don't go then" or "go shopping on a Saturday if your not happy" from boozed up clappers.

I am posting this from poolside in the land of the free so logging off again before this thread ruins my holiday mood..

Won't get me doing much criticising of KM, especially these days, but I have to say my experience of some of the fora I've been to is similar to yours.

A couple in particular through the Robson and Blackwell era were more like rallies.

Senior Blades on front rows clapping like demented seals at KM's every soundbite, and cussing at anything remotely negative, and to top it off, Steve B doing the security and glaring menacingly at anyone asking awkward questions.
 
Has the Pig academy ever produced a player that has gone on to play in the Premier League? Genuine question cause I've no idea. I was wondering earlier how many we've had compared to them.

Also, what's the biggest fee the Pigs have ever sold a player for?

I had to wash my hands, eyes and laptop after researching this but I think the answer to the first question is no and the second question is Brunt (£3m), followed by Emerson Thome and Paul Warhurst for £2.7m each. They've sold loads of players for £2.5m: Bart-Williams, Alexandersson, Kovacevic, Bougherra, Palmer.

The thing which connects almost all of those is that they're all 10+ years ago. Wednesday have been a transfer basket case for years.
 
That he either doesn't ask his manager what the value of the player he's going to sell is, or that he does but ignores it.

I didn't pose that question, you did.
Ultimately, it's McCabe's/Princey's (maybe!?!?) decision...I'm sure he ask's many people's opinions, even close personal friends such as yourself...
 
Yep, I stated that that it's about hard cash:

No you didn't. You discussed budgets when the harsh realities are far more immediate. With a business spunking cash like no tomorrow the banks will not continually advance more money for day to day running, so it has to come from KM. The need for a quick £1m massively outweighs any thoughts of 'worth' or 'value'.

..how would describe the sales of our academy talent?

Desperation.
 
No you didn't. You discussed budgets when the harsh realities are far more immediate. With a business spunking cash like no tomorrow the banks will not continually advance more money for day to day running, so it has to come from KM. The need for a quick £1m massively outweighs any thoughts of 'worth' or 'value'.

That's pretty much the same as what I wrote (apart from the banks not funding the club)..I'd suggest you re-read it. :confused:

P.S- the business has been 'spunking cash' since McCabe took over, ( and before ) spunking a lot more cash in previous years actually...so why the panic now?

Is McCabe about to have his credit pulled?



Desperation.

I wouldn't go that far, unless you know different?
if so, enlighten us...
 
I see! Written by a lad at Matlock's end. No bid from Everton... so far!

You might've missed my question earlier so I'll ask again.

The quote you've got from McCabe in your article, when is it from? All it says is 'recently'
 
“In many ways [promotion has eased pressure of selling youngsters]. But the truth is until you are back in the Premier League, if a Premier League club comes along and wants one of your players... if someone can give me the answer of how you keep them. I think most supporters realise that our desire is not to sell a David Brooks - obviously a youngster with immense talent - or a Dominic Calvert-Lewin. But when the big dog comes knocking...”

www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/danny-hall-sheffield-united-s-david-brooks-is-a-young-man-of-few-words-but-immense-potential-1-8658586
 
'When the big dogs come knocking'. Dogs don't fucking knock.

I can take the poor managerial appointments, the six years in L1, the selling of our assets, the Jessica Ennis stand, the Dooley statue, the Beattie flu, the man-love for Evans but I have no time for anyone who mixes their metaphors. What a scoundrel, what an absolute rasclaat.
 
'When the big dogs come knocking'. Dogs don't fucking knock.

I can take the poor managerial appointments, the six years in L1, the selling of our assets, the Jessica Ennis stand, the Dooley statue, the Beattie flu, the man-love for Evans but I have no time for anyone who mixes their metaphors. What a scoundrel, what an absolute rasclaat.

Taking your delightful critique one step further........given McCabe's lead, we might just as well as have thrown in the towel in World War 2 and told Adolf that we were a spineless bunch of cunts who were so fearful of his intentions that we'll behave as long as he only kills the Jews, leaving us Gentiles to get on with our lives, whatever worthless existence that might have brought.....

It's the sheer transparency of Kev's comments that are breathtaking in their spinelessness. No sense of, "We'll be inventive, we'll try to ensure that we, the directors, back our manager and attempt to build something special", oh no, none of that bullish nonsense for Kev, let's just lift up our skirt and invite the carpetbaggers to take whatever they want and let them decide what tip to leave. Not once, in recent times, do I recall us issuing a statement that proclaims our intent to keep a player simply because they wish to leave. Now, that may have been the inevitable outcome, but since when did we show the sort of savvy business acumen that would add more pounds to a player's value? Can anyone recall when we attempted to test the resolve of a purchasing club in our attempts to make hay from such a situation?

No, we just roll over, and because our owner says it's pointless to do otherwise we are revealed as a club who cannot do what other club's successfully do with their want-away players. Jesus Kev, are you completely clueless about this game? Aren't you aware of the money that's sloshing about in football currently? Has it crossed your mind that in owning a club you are expected to fight tooth and nail on it's behalf? The statement you issued is disgraceful in it's lack of backbone.
 

No, we just roll over, and because our owner says it's pointless to do otherwise we are revealed as a club who cannot do what other club's successfully do with their want-away players. Jesus Kev, are you completely clueless about this game? Aren't you aware of the money that's sloshing about in football currently? Has it crossed your mind that in owning a club you are expected to fight tooth and nail on it's behalf? The statement you issued is disgraceful in it's lack of backbone.

Nice rant, but look at it another way.

He's trying to get back some of the £50m+ he has put in, or at least not to add any more. That explains why 'we can't say no'.

As for the money 'sloshing about', nearly all of it is in the Prem or with a few daft foreign owners in the Championship (Wolves, Brum, Wendy). There is precious little money in L1, which is where we spent most of our recent history.
 
I think you're a little confused. The first three are usually executed by the 'slasher', the following three are the responses of the 'clappers'.

IMO, there's far too much aggression on here at the moment, people calling others morons, wankers etc because they have a different viewpoint. People are entitled to their opinion and others are entitled to challenge it but there's far too much playing the poster, not the post. Discussion isn't about trying to ridicule someone you disagree with, it's about putting forward a salient counter argument.

Well said - I'm in total agreement with you on this.
 
Nice rant, but look at it another way.

He's trying to get back some of the £50m+ he has put in, or at least not to add any more. That explains why 'we can't say no'.

As for the money 'sloshing about', nearly all of it is in the Prem or with a few daft foreign owners in the Championship (Wolves, Brum, Wendy). There is precious little money in L1, which is where we spent most of our recent history.

It wasn't a rant, it was a description of how we react to clubs from higher divisions, not League 1, when they've wanted to buy a United player. Birmingham and Brighton are two recent examples. Whatever money exists in League 1 isn't of interest to me, it's when we are approached by clubs from higher divisions, or in our current situation, from the Championship and above, that we've shown no backbone.

Your point about McCabe's financial involvement in the club should be examined a little more closely I feel. Yes, he's invested. He's poured a lot of money, relative to his worth, into the club. What should need reminding is that this was his choice, no one forced him to do so, and are we now to expect that McCabe's finances take priority over the club's? What is the precise nature of McCabe's involvement if it isn't to maximise any financial opportunity that arises that benefits the club? Or does the club take a hit because Kev rationalises that his predicament allows him to take precedence over matters that could benefit the club?

Anyone who involves themselves with a professional football club does so for limited reasons. It's either vanity, or knowing that your club stands a good chance of climbing to the Premiership where pots of money are waiting to be spent. Presumably then a wise investor might conclude that it's time, having achieved the status of Premiership membership, to sell to a potential buyer with real financial clout rather than someone who claws back their risk investment at every opportunity?

I should add, I'm not someone who has joined the legion of those who criticise McCabe at every opportunity. But this latest statement is an open letter to any interested club that we have a player who we'll sell if they can divvy up anything that McCabe considers appropriate, which in Kev's case can be whatever figure matches his needs rather than the club's.
 
I think you're a little confused. The first three are usually executed by the 'slasher', the following three are the responses of the 'clappers'.

IMO, there's far too much aggression on here at the moment, people calling others morons, wankers etc because they have a different viewpoint. People are entitled to their opinion and others are entitled to challenge it but there's far too much playing the poster, not the post. Discussion isn't about trying to ridicule someone you disagree with, it's about putting forward a salient counter argument.

Unarguable.....well said and this should be a reminder to any poster who thinks that barking the loudest is a viable alternative to offering a coherent point of view.
 
Daily Scum re-running the Brooks to Everton story - I wonder where they got the idea to do that again, oh yeah.....
 
Taking your delightful critique one step further........given McCabe's lead, we might just as well as have thrown in the towel in World War 2 and told Adolf that we were a spineless bunch of cunts who were so fearful of his intentions that we'll behave as long as he only kills the Jews, leaving us Gentiles to get on with our lives, whatever worthless existence that might have brought.....

It's the sheer transparency of Kev's comments that are breathtaking in their spinelessness. No sense of, "We'll be inventive, we'll try to ensure that we, the directors, back our manager and attempt to build something special", oh no, none of that bullish nonsense for Kev, let's just lift up our skirt and invite the carpetbaggers to take whatever they want and let them decide what tip to leave. Not once, in recent times, do I recall us issuing a statement that proclaims our intent to keep a player simply because they wish to leave. Now, that may have been the inevitable outcome, but since when did we show the sort of savvy business acumen that would add more pounds to a player's value? Can anyone recall when we attempted to test the resolve of a purchasing club in our attempts to make hay from such a situation?

No, we just roll over, and because our owner says it's pointless to do otherwise we are revealed as a club who cannot do what other club's successfully do with their want-away players. Jesus Kev, are you completely clueless about this game? Aren't you aware of the money that's sloshing about in football currently? Has it crossed your mind that in owning a club you are expected to fight tooth and nail on it's behalf? The statement you issued is disgraceful in it's lack of backbone.
Actually, we turned down Everton's first bid for DCL, around £1m.
 
Actually, we turned down Everton's first bid for DCL, around £1m.

Yep, I recall that, but it didn't take long before the axe fell and we swapped DCL for Everton's small change. I think the lad was going nowhere fast at United so probably a chance he couldn't risk turning down. He'll be far wealthier at Everton, so let's wait and see how well he matures as a player. Forecasting is a nonsense really, so whether he's good enough to play at the top level remains a mystery.......but back to McCabe's statement, why he felt it necessary to say such a damaging statement I've no idea, he might just as well as written in big, bold font that we can be squeezed like a lemon and at very little effort.
 
You might've missed my question earlier so I'll ask again.
The quote you've got from McCabe in your article, when is it from? All it says is 'recently'

Around a fortnight ago, after Toulon/Chezzy u-turn etc.
 
Apparently Leicester have bid £1m for George Hirst which has been turned down. Be interested to see what happens there, similar situation.
 
Well it's good to see we have entered a new season and stayed optimistic. Oh. Nothing has or hasn't happened yet and yet everyone is assuming sides and the daggers are out. Sorry but we have to sit here and see how it plays out. I don't see any bids on the table and I don't see a player wanting to leave. Until that happens everyone is assuming and working on things that haven't actually happened.
 
Well it's good to see we have entered a new season and stayed optimistic. Oh. Nothing has or hasn't happened yet and yet everyone is assuming sides and the daggers are out. Sorry but we have to sit here and see how it plays out. I don't see any bids on the table and I don't see a player wanting to leave. Until that happens everyone is assuming and working on things that haven't actually happened.


Can't possibly imagine why. Never done anything like sell a promising young player foe a fraction any other club gets for theirs have we?
Red Bull Leipzig interested in Brooks as well it seems. Sorry if already posted.
 
Kevin McCabe, Jesus Christ can you not once consider your paying fans..

Put a huge price on him, or let Everton bum you once more..

Don't give me the without kev we'd be.. blah blah blah bullshit, he's an idiot if he sells brooks for anything less that £10 million... they are swimming in cash from selling lukaku for a change lets test the fuckers..
 
Robson season?

Yeh, Kev was on Oxygen until Beattie caught flu, he soon got into the Rug Pulling Business (from under feet) after that

Chairman for the worst period in our Histoty ..........

A bit late replying, Funeral, 62 year old blade, absolutely put me to shame with his (and hers) away travelling over the last 10 years

Glad he saw the 3rd Division Championship Won

RIP Tony Lade
 

Can't possibly imagine why. Never done anything like sell a promising young player foe a fraction any other club gets for theirs have we?
Red Bull Leipzig interested in Brooks as well it seems. Sorry if already posted.

Then it will dash all the thoughts of new dawn etc etc. You can't however hang the bloke until he has actually committed a crime. It isn't the minority report. :)
 

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