Keifer Moore £1.8m

[Bergen Blade]

Granted. But are we forgetting they need to be good at football first and foremost?

There were loads of strikers that Wilder could have brought in who were better technically and more mobile than Hanson and Madine. But they still added something that helped us deal with opposition teams' strategies and contributed to promotions.

I'd prefer a new Brian Deane though!

 

[Chabuddy G]

There were loads of strikers that Wilder could have brought in who were better technically and more mobile than Hanson and Madine. But they still added something that helped us deal with opposition teams' strategies and contributed to promotions.

I'd prefer a new Brian Deane though!

No way is Keiffer Moore good enough for a top 10 PL club. Or a PL club at all.

Sorry, way way off

 

[jt64]

Don’t give a flying f#ck what he’s doing in the 3rd division now, I’m thinking of the Madine CWAK had, bar the harsh sending off v Brentfordalona. He was a vital cog in our promotion to the premier league.

If you thought that red was harsh, I'd love to see what you think actually warrants a red these days

 

[TJ blade]

Know I’m gonna cop for some here, but f#ck it! Thought a few times this season if we‘d have had Madine for the last 20 minutes he’d have shoved the shits and bullied us either a draw or win when we needed it against these premier league Prima Donnas. Seeing as Millwall have bid £1.85m for Moore, is he worth a punt for us? And before anybody says we’ve got McBurnie, Moore is an old school target man, like Madine. Got a feeling Dyche will be all over this at the above price as well.

 

[Bergen Blade]

No way is Keiffer Moore good enough for a top 10 PL club. Or a PL club at all.

Sorry, way way off

I haven't seen him enough to comment, but very few of our players would be described as "good enough for a top 10 club" by neutral people. We need to look for players who suit our playing style and complement the rest of what we've got.

When we added Zivkovic and let Callum Robinson go in January, it wasn't because we got a more proven player in English football, but we felt at that time that his attributes would be of more use to us, giving us more pace up front. Although Zivkovic has hardly been used it illustrates what we'll be doing when we try to prepare for different scenarios and generally improve the squad.

 

[dc_blade]

He’s nowhere near good enough.

The other big question here: is hoofing it up to a big man really a viable tactic in the Premier League, even as Plan B, C, or D? I think most top level defenses deal with it pretty easily. In fact, many Championship defenses do, too—part of the reason Madine never made a massive impact with us.

A bit of guile and skill at the top end of the pitch would move us forward. Suggestions like this would move us backward, in my opinion.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Keiffer Moore

FFS

I have family who are Barnsley fans who were absolutely wetting themselves when they got £4mil for him

 

[LoughboroBlade]

FFS

I have family who are Barnsley fans

FFS indeed. My commiserations.

 

[S40BLADE]

If we were top 10 in the champ? Yes

Top 10 of Prem however? Come on now...

 

[Bergen Blade]

He’s nowhere near good enough.

The other big question here: is hoofing it up to a big man really a viable tactic in the Premier League, even as Plan B, C, or D? I think most top level defenses deal with it pretty easily. In fact, many Championship defenses do, too—part of the reason Madine never made a massive impact with us.

A bit of guile and skill at the top end of the pitch would move us forward. Suggestions like this would move us backward, in my opinion.

I'm not going to comment on Moore specifically. But I don't agree that having a big striker automatically means the team plays hoofball.

 

[Keen Blade]

Nothing to do with snobbery we just need quality over quantity our squad is not very strong at all once we get a few injuries we struggle.

We need proper proven premier league players now not championship players.

We all know we can't afford proven PL players.

 

[Balham]

Our strikers’ rate of winning aerial duels:
McBurnie: 49.1%
McGoldrick: 37.8%
Sharp: 23.2%
Zivkovic: 16.7%
Mousset: 13.4%
Robinson: 12.5%

As a comparison, I think Carroll (56%), Benteke (54%) and Wellbeck (53%) are the league leaders for strikers – McBurnie is among the better ones. McGoldrick has a similar rate to say Abraham, Deeney, Kane, Wood.

Moore is this season winning over 60%. That’s admittedly in the championship.

Carroll: 1.93m (7 hands) 56%
Benteke: 1.90m 54%
McBurnie: 1.88m 49%
Welbeck: 1.85m 53%
McGoldrick: 1.84m 38%
Sharp: 1.75m 23%

There's an almost direct correlation there.

Kane (1.88m), Abraham (1.91m), Deeney (1.84m), Wood (1.91m) and especially Mousset (1.84m) should be doing better.

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

We all know we can't afford proven PL players.

Who says we cant? I keep seeing people saying we can't afford this cant afford that but never seen any proof of this.

Just like this season people were saying we only had 20m budget and we would be scraping the barrel.

Instead we signed McBurnie for that alone and signed Berge for 22m and with another season in the Premier league and increased revenue from league position who is to say we cant sign more quality players.

Fact is if we want to establish ourselves in the Premier league and push for a place in Europe again we will have to invest in better quality and strengthen the squad.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Kieffer Moore will be at Wigan or Millwall next season or a team of that ilk. And people on here are suggesting him as a signing ffs.

He’s not even in the first 5 players from a Wigan I’d consider. It’s nothing to do with being a snob.

 

[Keen Blade]

Who says we cant? I keep seeing people saying we can't afford this cant afford that but never seen any proof of this.

Just like this season people were saying we only had 20m budget and we would be scraping the barrel.

Instead we signed McBurnie for that alone and signed Berge for 22m and with another season in the Premier league and increased revenue from league position who is to say we cant sign more quality players.

Fact is if we want to establish ourselves in the Premier league and push for a place in Europe again we will have to invest in better quality and strengthen the squad.

Neither McB nor Berge were proven PL players.
CW has clearly stated we can't afford proven PL players + hope to sign players with the potential to develop

 

[Danetheblade]

Neither McB nor Berge were proven PL players.
CW has clearly stated we can't afford proven PL players + hope to sign players with the potential to develop

That's fine not signing premier League proven players, but it's still a big big market to fish in. Granted premier League proven costs 40m at least? I'd still hope/expect we made two "wow" signings this window. As wilder said, if you stand still in this division, you go backwards.

 

[dc_blade]

I'm not going to comment on Moore specifically. But I don't agree that having a big striker automatically means the team plays hoofball.

You’re right, it doesn’t. But the implication in the OP is that that’s how we’d be using Moore.

 

[Wards]

I’m not sure Moore is the answer (never really rated him) but I think we’ve missed an option to come off the bench to change things up in some of the tighter games this season.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I’m not sure Moore is the answer (never really rated him) but I think we’ve missed an option to come off the bench to change things up in some of the tighter games this season.

I'd agree with that but that option to change things up shouldn't be: let's hoist it up to this big cunt here and see what happens.

No other Prem side does it, even Burnley, and there's a reason for that. It doesn't work.

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

Neither McB nor Berge were proven PL players.
CW has clearly stated we can't afford proven PL players + hope to sign players with the potential to develop

I should have added players with potential too i am not expecting us to try and sign premier leaguebplayers from bigger clubs for huge fees.

What i mean is I would like us to sign quality talent that could make the step up and if it costs fees like McBurnie and Berge.

As for what CW said take that with a pinch of salt he isn't going to come out and say we have a huge budget is he.

I would like to see us go for Eberechi Eze for a start think he is a star in the making and has everything we are crying out for pace trickery skill and the ability to put the opposition on the back foot that is the very type of signing we need to make.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

,....... I think Carroll (56%), Benteke (54%) and Wellbeck (53 for strikers – McBurnie isimilar rate to say Abraham, Deeney, Kane, Wood.

Moore is this season winning over 60%. That’s admittedly in the championship.

I think our need is more about goals (& 'assists ?' ( fuckin stupid "statistic" in itself)
Doubt if Carroll, Beteke + Wellbeck combined have netted as many as Mousset (despite his obvious 'failings') this season

 

[Bergen Blade]

You’re right, it doesn’t. But the implication in the OP is that that’s how we’d be using Moore.

What happened in L1.

We outplayed most teams.
Teams realised we were brilliant.
Teams started defending deep, esp when coming to the Lane, in numbers, 5-4-1. Clearing, blocking all things in the box.
We struggled to break them down.
Sharp's second in the 88th minute finally making sure we beat Oldham.
Freeman 89th minute winner vs Northampton.
Losing 4-1 at Walsall
Freeman 2nd half equaliser vs Gillingham.
Losing 2-0 to Fleetwood at home
Sharp 87 minute winner at Peterborough
0-0 at Bristol Rovers
1-1 draw vs 10 man Scunthorpe

I think many fans have forgotten we struggled. Defending deep was key against us.

So James Hanson was signed.
Won a few headers, caused some trouble in the box.
Suddenly teams found out defending deep wasn't working. Crosses weren't cleared as easily. They had to push up more.

We regained our rhythm, never lost again, regularly scoring three goals through great attacking football.

Think Hanson only scored once, but he helped us solve a problem. And it wasn't through turning to hoofball.

Madine also had a positive effect on us. A bit similar.

I think we should take enormous credit for big clubs coming to the Lane to defend deep, defending in numbers, focusing on how to stop us. When that's working for them, we need to counteract it.

 

[Keen Blade]

That's fine not signing premier League proven players, but it's still a big big market to fish in. Granted premier League proven costs 40m at least? I'd still hope/expect we made two "wow" signings this window. As wilder said, if you stand still in this division, you go backwards.

Yep ,

I should have added players with potential too i am not expecting us to try and sign premier leaguebplayers from bigger clubs for huge fees.

What i mean is I would like us to sign quality talent that could make the step up and if it costs fees like McBurnie and Berge.

As for what CW said take that with a pinch of salt he isn't going to come out and say we have a huge budget is he.

I would like to see us go for Eberechi Eze for a start think he is a star in the making and has everything we are crying out for pace trickery skill and the ability to put the opposition on the back foot that is the very type of signing we need to make.

I agree , he sounds like what we're missing.

 

[Balham]

The James Hanson comparator is interesting as I had it in my head that he was an impact sub. He scored on debut, the second goal in a 4-0 win over Wimbledon then assisted Sharp's 89th minute winner againt Peterborough in the following game. He missed the next game (Bristol Rovers away) but started 8 of the next 9, dropping to the bench for the Northampton game then not featuring until Clarke got injured in the first half of the Chesterfield game.

Hanson started 10 of the 17 games he was eligible for, coming on as a sub in another 3. His record for United is P13, W10 D3 L0 F30 A12.

 

[Chabuddy G]

The James Hanson comparator is interesting as I had it in my head that he was an impact sub. He scored on debut, the second goal in a 4-0 win over Wimbledon then assisted Sharp's 89th minute winner againt Peterborough in the following game. He missed the next game (Bristol Rovers away) but started 8 of the next 9, dropping to the bench for the Northampton game then not featuring until Clarke got injured in the first half of the Chesterfield game.

Hanson started 10 of the 17 games he was eligible for, coming on as a sub in another 3. His record for United is P13, W10 D3 L0 F30 A12.

He came on in the Fulham loss

 

[dc_blade]

What happened in L1.

We outplayed most teams.
Teams realised we were brilliant.
Teams started defending deep, esp when coming to the Lane, in numbers, 5-4-1. Clearing, blocking all things in the box.
We struggled to break them down.
Sharp's second in the 88th minute finally making sure we beat Oldham.
Freeman 89th minute winner vs Northampton.
Losing 4-1 at Walsall
Freeman 2nd half equaliser vs Gillingham.
Losing 2-0 to Fleetwood at home
Sharp 87 minute winner at Peterborough
0-0 at Bristol Rovers
1-1 draw vs 10 man Scunthorpe

I think many fans have forgotten we struggled. Defending deep was key against us.

So James Hanson was signed.
Won a few headers, caused some trouble in the box.
Suddenly teams found out defending deep wasn't working. Crosses weren't cleared as easily. They had to push up more.

We regained our rhythm, never lost again, regularly scoring three goals through great attacking football.

Think Hanson only scored once, but he helped us solve a problem. And it wasn't through turning to hoofball.

Madine also had a positive effect on us. A bit similar.

I think we should take enormous credit for big clubs coming to the Lane to defend deep, defending in numbers, focusing on how to stop us. When that's working for them, we need to counteract it.

Yes, but we’re not in League One anymore and so this tactic doesn’t have as big an impact as it did then. In fact I think it’s clear that it didn’t have much of an impact in the Championship, either. I agree that we need to be adaptable and to have multiple strategies for unlocking a tight defense, but I don’t think long ball football can be one of them at this level; and especially not when it’s based around a clogger like Moore.

 

[BanderSerge]

Nothing to do with snobbery we just need quality over quantity our squad is not very strong at all once we get a few injuries we struggle.

We need proper proven premier league players now not championship players.

We will finish no lower than 10th without signing one proven premier league player. As I said earlier, average premier league strikers are Haller £45m £120,000 a week. Joelinton £40m £100,000 a week. Pepe £72m and f#ck knows how much a week. Which average premier league strikers do you suggest we go for, with our cut budget this close season?

 

[BanderSerge]

He’s nowhere near good enough.

The other big question here: is hoofing it up to a big man really a viable tactic in the Premier League, even as Plan B, C, or D? I think most top level defenses deal with it pretty easily. In fact, many Championship defenses do, too—part of the reason Madine never made a massive impact with us.

A bit of guile and skill at the top end of the pitch would move us forward. Suggestions like this would move us backward, in my opinion.

See earlier post about average premier league strikers and cost, then consider our budget. You saying we don’t lump it when the press is on? It’s the only way for us to beat a press when you have our budget. One last thing. Have you ever seen us fanny about with short goal kicks in and around our area? No, thought not. And why do you think that is?

 

[BanderSerge]

May as well add Cheddy boy to the mix at this rate

Very childish.

 

[BanderSerge]

Yes, but we’re not in League One anymore and so this tactic doesn’t have as big an impact as it did then. In fact I think it’s clear that it didn’t have much of an impact in the Championship, either. I agree that we need to be adaptable and to have multiple strategies for unlocking a tight defense, but I don’t think long ball football can be one of them at this level; and especially not when it’s based around a clogger like Moore.

Clogger? You sound exactly like an entitled Do a bit of research first mate?